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42. Great. So we should ignore one entire side of the story. How rational. How free.

Tue Feb 25, 2014, 12:04 AM

Feb 2014

This is classic projection.

You want me to eat another shit sandwich served up by right wing militarists and neocons here, so you claim that the Russians are forcing a shit sandwich on you.

Obama did nothing about rightwing coups in Honduras and Paraguay, and here we are supporting another right wing ( I did not say neo-Nazi) extralegal regime change. Pardon me for noticing a pattern. And this time, there is some pushback, so we are so upset.

You know, the Ukraine used to be part of Russia; so the Russians just might have some vested interest there; and some knowledge of who is manipulating whom. Not saying its right. Just saying that we invoke real politic when it serves our interest, and yell "foul" when anyone else tries to.

Just for counter-example - We Americans all know Mexico is a corrupt mess. But imagine if the Chinese ran a coup to get some "freedom loving" Mexicans to throw our stooge out; and the Mexican government started shooting demonstraters on the grounds theat they were drug dealers. How do you think we would react.

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For fuck's sake, DU. Neo-Nazis have *not* seized power in Ukraine. [View all] Tommy_Carcetti Feb 2014 OP

bump. nt Tommy_Carcetti Feb 2014 #1

It's obvious that there is a pot stirring agenda amongst those making these spurious claims. MADem Feb 2014 #78

Some DUers seem to be against the Ukrainian Revolution out of Soviet nostalgia Ex Lurker Feb 2014 #93

I certainly hope this is not the case. Tommy_Carcetti Feb 2014 #109

Hugo Chavez is dead, so the MicaelS Feb 2014 #115

"Blame America First, Last and Always types", eh? rdharma Feb 2014 #118

such clarity of thought when confronted with knee-jerk hatred of all that is U.S. interest Pretzel_Warrior Feb 2014 #121

I think that expression "Blame America First Crowd" was coined by the RW. rdharma Feb 2014 #123

that's possible. but they didn't copyright it...and it is an apt description for some Pretzel_Warrior Feb 2014 #124

No copyright needed...... rdharma Feb 2014 #125

clearly not because I've never been RW. Have always been registered DEM Pretzel_Warrior Feb 2014 #126

Maybe you've just been listening to too much RW talk radio ...... rdharma Feb 2014 #127

I abhor right wing talk radio. never listen to it. the most I've heard is on links here at DU Pretzel_Warrior Feb 2014 #128

You abhor right wing talk radio? rdharma Feb 2014 #129

Oh come on davidpdx Feb 2014 #96

Very interesting events going on GP6971 Feb 2014 #2

Lots of info out there about the neo-Nazi connection to the turmoil in Ukraine. kelliekat44 Feb 2014 #67

Agreed. Too many are falling for the pro-Russia propaganda out there. It's disgraceful. I can't okaawhatever Feb 2014 #3

No, that is absolutely not true. We move as the wind blows but newthinking Feb 2014 #24

LOL! tabasco Feb 2014 #51

Anything McCain supports abroad is likely to enrich his MIC buddies. Like he did in Syria. freshwest Feb 2014 #34

He's a doddering old man, just 1 of 100 US Senators and a failed presidential candidate. Tommy_Carcetti Feb 2014 #37

It still troubles me that he goes about the world making deals. He has no right to do so. n/t freshwest Feb 2014 #43

He's a doddering old weathervane. If he's for it, its probably neocon-backed. n/t arendt Feb 2014 #46

A man well over 70 giving us Palin helped put Obama over the top in 2008. merrily Feb 2014 #101

You must be one dem dar corporatist puppets... or something... Adrahil Feb 2014 #4

I was under the impression Drale Feb 2014 #5

Yes, but apparently, only super fascists want to get closer to Europe... or something. NT Adrahil Feb 2014 #8

Some people don't want to sign up to be Greece 2... arendt Feb 2014 #44

I didn't ask you to cheer either way.... Adrahil Feb 2014 #107

Is saying that the Ukraine might fall into the hands of Right Wing Extremists OK? bvar22 Feb 2014 #119

Thank you for more detail than I would have bothered with. n/t arendt Feb 2014 #136

Neo-nazis love the EU, didn't you know? nt EmilyAnne Feb 2014 #75

Thread WINNER! nt MADem Feb 2014 #79

Let me educate a little GRACIEBIRD Feb 2014 #6

Yeah. I have a Ukrainian born mother and multiple cousins currently living in Ukraine. Tommy_Carcetti Feb 2014 #11

and I've lived in Russia, spent time in Kjiv... so? GRACIEBIRD Feb 2014 #12

So don't talk down to me like I don't know shit. nt Tommy_Carcetti Feb 2014 #13

can we at least agree GRACIEBIRD Feb 2014 #14

No, the muscle in the movement was a large swath of the Ukranian people. Tommy_Carcetti Feb 2014 #15

by muscle I meant who was carrying the GUNS and throwing the bombs and taking police prisoner. nt GRACIEBIRD Feb 2014 #18

also this article has some great background GRACIEBIRD Feb 2014 #19

And so this might be of interest... 2naSalit Feb 2014 #28

There's some background to that: El_Johns Feb 2014 #40

Thanks for that. 2naSalit Feb 2014 #74

Interesting article here from Asia times Online go west young man Feb 2014 #56

Also South Stream (oil pipeline) bypassing Ukraine go west young man Feb 2014 #59

Wait, Weird Al is involved too??? XRubicon Feb 2014 #95

I barely understand politics in *this* country after paying attention for a long, long time Fumesucker Feb 2014 #7

I think some people here are so anti American Government... brooklynite Feb 2014 #9

Absolutely and it's really showing in this instance. The pro-Russian papers are behind the okaawhatever Feb 2014 #21

Its like the CIA never existed. Never sponsored any coups... arendt Feb 2014 #36

Right. Eisenhower...Nixon...Reagan...Obama. You can hardly tell them apart..... brooklynite Feb 2014 #72

Gee, Obama has had 2 GOP Secs of Defense... arendt Feb 2014 #135

Infowars truthers. Just sayin' n/t freshwest Feb 2014 #39

Correct. joshcryer Feb 2014 #82

You are absolutely right. I've lived around the world but this is the only place I've ever seen Number23 Feb 2014 #133

Thanks Tommy_Carcetti. bravenak Feb 2014 #10

Concise and informative for me. Thanks! /nt Ash_F Feb 2014 #16

Kick. Chorophyll Feb 2014 #17

I hadn't heard H2O Man Feb 2014 #20

kick. because most of DU wants to ignore this Pretzel_Warrior Feb 2014 #22

Agreed! BlueEye Feb 2014 #33

Great. So we should ignore one entire side of the story. How rational. How free. arendt Feb 2014 #42

Kicking your kick Bobbie Jo Feb 2014 #61

a voice of reason is always appreciated. Adam051188 Feb 2014 #23

Actually there is a pretty heavy population in Ukraine unfortunately newthinking Feb 2014 #26

Nazi is also a short for Nationalist Socialist, but most of today's neo-nazis aren't Socialists at.. Amonester Feb 2014 #30

Nor were they at the time Scootaloo Feb 2014 #54

Some really are neo-Nazis Nevernose Feb 2014 #32

This shit is being peddled by right-wing idiots Jeff In Milwaukee Feb 2014 #25

That is very confusing. arendt Feb 2014 #47

Sorry about that.... Jeff In Milwaukee Feb 2014 #111

Wow. I was unaware it was Fox saying that! arendt Feb 2014 #137

That is very confusing. arendt Feb 2014 #47

Yanukovych ordered the army to move against their own people. 88 died. He's a butcher. Zen Democrat Feb 2014 #27

Ah, but those were CIA plants...or dupes...or something. brooklynite Feb 2014 #73

Yes, yes, yes, yes davidpdx Feb 2014 #97

from the guardian..... madrchsod Feb 2014 #29

Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh! n/t malaise Feb 2014 #94

"members of the Tea Party constitute 11% of the House" delrem Feb 2014 #31

I can honestly say there is very little risk of a "right wing coup" orchestrated by the Tea Party. Tommy_Carcetti Feb 2014 #41

Yah, right. nt delrem Feb 2014 #45

8% mrchips Feb 2014 #35

36 of 450 is 12.5% go west young man Feb 2014 #64

36 out of 450 = mrchips Feb 2014 #66

Your right sorry about that. go west young man Feb 2014 #69

Lol Pretzel_Warrior Feb 2014 #90

No Problem mrchips Feb 2014 #102

Here's what their goals are. I'm pretty sure most DU'ers go west young man Feb 2014 #68

The Right Sector did NOT lead this demonstration. Good grief. nt EmilyAnne Feb 2014 #77

It has 37 seats & is in alliance with 2 other center-right parties, forming an opposition majority. El_Johns Feb 2014 #84

Agreed, Tommy... TRoN33 Feb 2014 #38

k & r. thank you rollin74 Feb 2014 #50

Riiiight! No neo-Nazis in Ukraine! rdharma Feb 2014 #52

Okay, you understand the difference between existing and holding power, correct? Tommy_Carcetti Feb 2014 #53

But they gots a logo 'n shit. Throd Feb 2014 #55

... LAGC Feb 2014 #116

Just like the "Brown Shirts" (SA) didn't govern Nazi Germany, eh? rdharma Feb 2014 #58

But those are the peaceful protestors who peacefully toppled the regime with petrol bombs! JVS Feb 2014 #65

Petrol bombs are harmless! rdharma Feb 2014 #71

Thank you for posting a picture of the new President and Prime Minister. Tommy_Carcetti Feb 2014 #105

The opposition parties sure don't mind forming opportunistic alliances with fascists. rdharma Feb 2014 #117

You'd have to be ignoring most major newspapers, BBC America, Al Jazeera and the threads here... MrMickeysMom Feb 2014 #57

A little misleading. It's over 10% and: El_Johns Feb 2014 #60

Not sure about this. Ukrainian synagogue firebombed LittleBlue Feb 2014 #62

I'm sure they are safe! rdharma Feb 2014 #63

When shit like this is going on, it is NEVER a good idea for Jews to hang around! Behind the Aegis Feb 2014 #76

Thank you. nt EmilyAnne Feb 2014 #70

I've just avoided that insipid echo chamber. joshcryer Feb 2014 #80

What I find interesting.... Behind the Aegis Feb 2014 #81

I think both sides suck there, mind you. joshcryer Feb 2014 #83

I don't know enough, but from what I have seen, it is very fucked up. Behind the Aegis Feb 2014 #88

What I find interesting is why gay posters would support an opposition that is also anti-gay. El_Johns Feb 2014 #85

Show me where I have expressed support for either side? Behind the Aegis Feb 2014 #87

I actually thought you had, but what I mostly find is you posting articles like the ones I did. El_Johns Feb 2014 #89

Your reaction was one based in prejudice, not in an individual commuication with Bluenorthwest Feb 2014 #108

Think what you like, but it's not the case. El_Johns Feb 2014 #112

I think you can support a tendency without being inconsistent. joshcryer Feb 2014 #92

Anti-gay applies to the Party of Regions that was just chucked out, too muriel_volestrangler Feb 2014 #100

I wouldn't say some of them davidpdx Feb 2014 #98

Tymschenko & her man Turchinov, as well as Klitschko, are all from parties in coalition with Svoboda El_Johns Feb 2014 #86

Ones that want a majority Pretzel_Warrior Feb 2014 #91

I don't think you really understand parliamentary politics. Tommy_Carcetti Feb 2014 #106

Don't actually matter who has ceased power. dipsydoodle Feb 2014 #122

K & R davidpdx Feb 2014 #99

You're right in your title assertion and then whee off the rails cali Feb 2014 #103

The comparision was merely one of relative size. Tommy_Carcetti Feb 2014 #104

Putin fans are bit upset that he lost the Ukraine. But he's got Comrade Eddie as a consolation msanthrope Feb 2014 #110

Bump. nt Tommy_Carcetti Feb 2014 #113

Awesome advice for everything: "But read--just fucking read--before you post shit on here." FSogol Feb 2014 #114

kick Pretzel_Warrior Feb 2014 #120

Kick Gothmog Feb 2014 #130

K&R... tosh Feb 2014 #131

Bump. nt Tommy_Carcetti Feb 2014 #132

Again this needs a bump. nt Tommy_Carcetti Feb 2014 #134