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sabrina 1

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68. I have three gay family members living in this country, the youngest is the ONLY one
Mon Feb 24, 2014, 11:15 PM
Feb 2014

who has some hope of not being ostracized or persecuted because of it.

The oldest died in his seventies a short time ago never coming out for fear of losing his job, the acceptance of some of his family, friends, co-workers and of being subjected to bigotry, which he was sadly throughout his life.

Sadly his life here in this country was not a happy one due to the widespread bigotry against Gays that is PREVALENT here still and has shown little progress despite the few legal gains so recently accomplished.

Even now with small gains long overdue that bigotry still results in violence and other forms of prejudice against Gays and other minorities.

Please stop pretending this country is in any position to claim any moral authority on bigotry.

As far as Gays in Russia, I will go by what they themselves have said. They appear to have no more problems, less in many ways, than Gays have here. Several Gay Russian activists BEGGED the US to stop drawing attention to them as all it was doing was causing problems for them they did not already have. Many live openly as Gay partners there, and of course, like here, they have their narrow minded bigots aslo who were being stoked by our use of the issue for political purposes, it certainly wasn't out of concern for Russia's gay population who will not be mentioned here on this forum after we move on to the next thing that grabs our wandering attention.

I will raise this issue to prove my point in a few months when I am absolutely certain not a single thing will have been actually done for Russia's Gay community, or for those in Uganda, or Saudi Arabia unless there is some political gain in pretending to care once again.

I have not only lived in other countries, I have family and friends all over the world. While most ordinary people have no problem with the American PEOPLE, most now regard our government as one of the biggest threats to world peace and wonder 'what happened to America'.

I defended NO ONE, I pointed out hypocrisy and blind xenophobia and always will wherever I see it. You otoh appear to be defending this country's interference in the business of everyone on the planet where we have no right or standing to interfere , ignoring how incredibly bigoted we are towards ANYONE who is 'different' here and anywhere else. See our great Generals' instructions to the troops regarding the civilian populations we invaded eg. See the constant bigoted references to 'camel jockeys' 'ragheads' etc and ask yourself, are we really in any position to point fingers when it comes to bigotry. Ask any parent of a mentally or physically disabled child how all inclusive we are eg.


How about we just be honest for a change. It's not hard nor does it ever harm a nation to focus on its own problems rather than ignoring them and pointing elsewhere. How about we stop pretending we are superior to everyone else in the world, because we are not.

How about we try to become an EXAMPLE to the rest of the world which we could be if we stopped minding everyone's else's business, before we lecture them on things we are no example of ourselves.

I'm sorry the truth hurts. The Left used to be a lot more fact based than the Right which was also certain we were 'numero uno'. Sadly in many areas that count most, we are no longer anywhere near being number one in anything other than how many people we have in PRISON, War, Torture with no consequences, among other things.

Let's leave everyone else to solve their own problems because we are quite a failure lately at solving OUR OWN. And that isa fact.



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Well we're a hellava lot better than Russia, CAG Feb 2014 #1
He got a whole lot of unexpected shit afterwards. busterbrown Feb 2014 #6
Again, the fact that a sportscaster went down CAG Feb 2014 #15
I know, how dare he stand up for gay rights. Bluenorthwest Feb 2014 #2
+1 MADem Feb 2014 #28
Please point out where in Russia gay marriage is legal. NuclearDem Feb 2014 #3
o.k. then you would not complain about a Russian Sportscaster at the next U.S. held busterbrown Feb 2014 #7
So one of the most watched parts of the whole Olympics isn't the right time? NuclearDem Feb 2014 #12
What's your unit of measure, here? Scootaloo Feb 2014 #80
I wouldn't. Don't we talk about that all the time here? NYC Liberal Feb 2014 #17
I just think Costas amps up the dangerous nationalism card.. Big time. busterbrown Feb 2014 #18
Add to your swilton Feb 2014 #58
Are you aware that he has been critical of quite a few things in the good ole USA? rufus dog Feb 2014 #4
This message was self-deleted by its author busterbrown Feb 2014 #8
That took a long time for me to find rufus dog Feb 2014 #16
Good for Bob mythology Feb 2014 #5
Russia sucks big time.. busterbrown Feb 2014 #9
They aren't even in the same galaxy Pretzel_Warrior Feb 2014 #11
We are? How so? Heard about the latest 'law' about to be enacted in Az sabrina 1 Feb 2014 #25
Really we should ignore the injustice in the rest of the world because of our imperfections? davidpdx Feb 2014 #30
Well put leftynyc Feb 2014 #32
Well, here's a thought since you want us to 'care' about justice in other countries. sabrina 1 Feb 2014 #33
You want to exempt criticism of Russia because of Uganda, but you vocally Bluenorthwest Feb 2014 #34
I don't cater to hypocrites. I don't and never have supported OUR support of sabrina 1 Feb 2014 #36
I exempt no one of your Straight Nations, I already said that. Why would Bluenorthwest Feb 2014 #38
What gives YOU standing to lie about my position on human rights for everyone? sabrina 1 Feb 2014 #46
You have tirelessly claimed Francis is 'pro gay' and ripped into anyone Bluenorthwest Feb 2014 #48
Post a comment of mine to back up your diatribes, I am not interested in your sabrina 1 Feb 2014 #52
Frankly I am sick of the Russian apologists as well davidpdx Feb 2014 #63
Russia looks like a liberal paradise davidpdx Feb 2014 #67
I have three gay family members living in this country, the youngest is the ONLY one sabrina 1 Feb 2014 #68
OFFS. NuclearDem Feb 2014 #54
OFFS, it's not wrong to point out that this country has sabrina 1 Feb 2014 #56
Jesus Christ, are you kidding me? NuclearDem Feb 2014 #59
I've been too busy sabrina 1 Feb 2014 #61
Jesus almighty God.. busterbrown Feb 2014 #72
This isn't about "calling out." It's about solidarity. NuclearDem Feb 2014 #85
Exactly!!!n/t busterbrown Feb 2014 #70
Um... I don't know if you noticed, but NOWHERE in Costas' commentary did you hear him cherokeeprogressive Feb 2014 #86
No, of course he didn't. What I pointed out was that he ignored the bigotry sabrina 1 Feb 2014 #88
I don't know that we're so much better -- Arugula Latte Feb 2014 #50
Uhhh...really? NBC was preemptively attacked with comments Pretzel_Warrior Feb 2014 #10
Talking about what? busterbrown Feb 2014 #13
The WORLD told NBC what they thought of our zenophobia. Costas was a disgrace sabrina 1 Feb 2014 #27
It seems to anger you when people stand up for LGBT rights. Bluenorthwest Feb 2014 #35
It seems to anger YOU when I point out that we are supporting brutal dictators sabrina 1 Feb 2014 #37
Uh huh. This thread is about Bob Costas speaking out about where he was. Bluenorthwest Feb 2014 #41
I never saw you as someone who would try that old emotional manipulation thing. sabrina 1 Feb 2014 #51
You tried this same crap on me when all I did was post against the broad-brushing polly7 Feb 2014 #53
You're one of the most virulent anti-anti-homophobia posters I've encountered. randome Feb 2014 #60
and the fact that we have a celebrity calling them out irks the hell out of me.. busterbrown Feb 2014 #71
They took him off for a few days, supposedly because of his eye but I think the backlash sabrina 1 Feb 2014 #75
I agree with Bob Costas Crabby Appleton Feb 2014 #14
damned if you do or don't situation here Blue_Tires Feb 2014 #19
Don’t agree... busterbrown Feb 2014 #20
So? That wouldn't make anything Costas said untrue. Ikonoklast Feb 2014 #21
We did not say that what he said was untrue.. busterbrown Feb 2014 #73
I think the man took the right road--and I'm astounded at the people on this thread who think MADem Feb 2014 #29
Costas is right. Warren DeMontague Feb 2014 #22
Most of it was standard cold war nostalgia Union Scribe Feb 2014 #23
+1 Blue_Tires Feb 2014 #45
Costas, like he is often, is right. Drunken Irishman Feb 2014 #24
Damn Straight davidpdx Feb 2014 #31
This message was self-deleted by its author busterbrown Feb 2014 #40
I watch a ton of sports.. Know all about him. So you are wrong..Big Time, busterbrown Feb 2014 #42
Totally agree. Bob Costas is nothing more than a narcissist ... Auggie Feb 2014 #55
It's not stirring up shit. It's being honest. Drunken Irishman Feb 2014 #57
Yea where was he during the Iraq invasion? busterbrown Feb 2014 #74
Good for Bob! Behind the Aegis Feb 2014 #26
Putie.. Cha Feb 2014 #77
Aren't you just devastated?! Behind the Aegis Feb 2014 #78
Mean ol Cha Feb 2014 #79
Where did he say America is perfect? NCTraveler Feb 2014 #39
He never did and thats my point. busterbrown Feb 2014 #43
His commentary was about the host nation. NCTraveler Feb 2014 #47
He also could have added that the price of tea in China is way too high. cherokeeprogressive Feb 2014 #87
Yeah we suck in a lot of things, but posts like this are just an joeybee12 Feb 2014 #44
I don't think that's what he intended. AverageJoe90 Feb 2014 #64
Russia is closer to Uganda than any conservative area here in the US...nt joeybee12 Feb 2014 #65
I won't deny that. AverageJoe90 Feb 2014 #66
Costas is a propaganda mouthpiece qwertyq Feb 2014 #49
Wow bpj62 Feb 2014 #62
I do not think he should be involved in calling one country out without mentioning our busterbrown Feb 2014 #69
Then I guess us arrogant Americans can't criticize the Uganda anti gay law either bluestateguy Feb 2014 #76
No one stated that these countries shouldn’t be called out.. busterbrown Feb 2014 #81
You're putting words into his mouth. He was right, and you are wrong. N.T. Donald Ian Rankin Feb 2014 #82
Did you notice the quotation marks? busterbrown Feb 2014 #83
Costas is a progressive Bartleby73 Feb 2014 #84
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