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In reply to the discussion: Yea right, because America is so perfect, Mr Costas... [View all]sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)who has some hope of not being ostracized or persecuted because of it.
The oldest died in his seventies a short time ago never coming out for fear of losing his job, the acceptance of some of his family, friends, co-workers and of being subjected to bigotry, which he was sadly throughout his life.
Sadly his life here in this country was not a happy one due to the widespread bigotry against Gays that is PREVALENT here still and has shown little progress despite the few legal gains so recently accomplished.
Even now with small gains long overdue that bigotry still results in violence and other forms of prejudice against Gays and other minorities.
Please stop pretending this country is in any position to claim any moral authority on bigotry.
As far as Gays in Russia, I will go by what they themselves have said. They appear to have no more problems, less in many ways, than Gays have here. Several Gay Russian activists BEGGED the US to stop drawing attention to them as all it was doing was causing problems for them they did not already have. Many live openly as Gay partners there, and of course, like here, they have their narrow minded bigots aslo who were being stoked by our use of the issue for political purposes, it certainly wasn't out of concern for Russia's gay population who will not be mentioned here on this forum after we move on to the next thing that grabs our wandering attention.
I will raise this issue to prove my point in a few months when I am absolutely certain not a single thing will have been actually done for Russia's Gay community, or for those in Uganda, or Saudi Arabia unless there is some political gain in pretending to care once again.
I have not only lived in other countries, I have family and friends all over the world. While most ordinary people have no problem with the American PEOPLE, most now regard our government as one of the biggest threats to world peace and wonder 'what happened to America'.
I defended NO ONE, I pointed out hypocrisy and blind xenophobia and always will wherever I see it. You otoh appear to be defending this country's interference in the business of everyone on the planet where we have no right or standing to interfere , ignoring how incredibly bigoted we are towards ANYONE who is 'different' here and anywhere else. See our great Generals' instructions to the troops regarding the civilian populations we invaded eg. See the constant bigoted references to 'camel jockeys' 'ragheads' etc and ask yourself, are we really in any position to point fingers when it comes to bigotry. Ask any parent of a mentally or physically disabled child how all inclusive we are eg.
How about we just be honest for a change. It's not hard nor does it ever harm a nation to focus on its own problems rather than ignoring them and pointing elsewhere. How about we stop pretending we are superior to everyone else in the world, because we are not.
How about we try to become an EXAMPLE to the rest of the world which we could be if we stopped minding everyone's else's business, before we lecture them on things we are no example of ourselves.
I'm sorry the truth hurts. The Left used to be a lot more fact based than the Right which was also certain we were 'numero uno'. Sadly in many areas that count most, we are no longer anywhere near being number one in anything other than how many people we have in PRISON, War, Torture with no consequences, among other things.
Let's leave everyone else to solve their own problems because we are quite a failure lately at solving OUR OWN. And that isa fact.