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112. Where is the cigar in this case? I'd like to be able to identify it but the problem I'm having

Thu Mar 22, 2012, 01:27 PM

Mar 2012

is that neither Anderson Cooper nor his guest have any clue what Trayvon said to Zimmerman, do they? Yet it seems you are accepting the assumption that he must have behaved badly or stupidly. I have read the police reports, the phone records, the witness statements, but nowhere did I find on the official record anything about what transpired between the two of them. I did read his girlfriend's account of their conversation in which it was clear Trayvon was trying to get away from Zimmerman but was shot very shortly after he was cut off from the conversation.

Since we are all speculating, my theory is that when he was cut off, someone pushed him. If so, since to him this guy who had been following him, from whom he was trying to get away, seems like the most likely suspect.

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"If Trayvon Had Only Answered In an Appropriate Manner There Would have Been No Problem" [View all] K Gardner Mar 2012 OP

existing while black phantom power Mar 2012 #1

I'm trying to find a transcript, if not, I'll try to transcribe it K Gardner Mar 2012 #2

Exactamundo nt Taverner Mar 2012 #166

It actually begs the question.. what does THIS guy know and what did K Gardner Mar 2012 #184

This is what so scares me about living in Florida and the ease with which people can carry a gun HockeyMom Mar 2012 #3

We have the same law in Tennessee - and legislatures keep easing K Gardner Mar 2012 #6

. Go Vols Mar 2012 #61

LOL.. I guess I wasn't looking when that one passed :-) Thanks. n/t K Gardner Mar 2012 #81

Go Vols! Fawke Em Mar 2012 #123

Me too, Fawke ! K Gardner Mar 2012 #183

Guns in bars. Brigid Mar 2012 #71

Yeah, drunks and guns HockeyMom Mar 2012 #134

Legal in Arizona. Wait Wut Mar 2012 #154

You are not allowed to drink while carrying obamanut2012 Mar 2012 #261

I carry everyday and everywhere I am allowed to in Florida. Even my store has a gun. L0oniX Mar 2012 #49

Or you would get us all killed while trying to go for your gun? nt nanabugg Mar 2012 #56

One of the scariest scenes in boogie nights got root Mar 2012 #141

Or, as a good friend ex-correctional officer COLGATE4 Mar 2012 #162

...or the robber would shoot all the witnesses ...and the store clerk. L0oniX Mar 2012 #204

I have JonLP24 Mar 2012 #227

I don't trust ANYONE with a gun. Period. Hell Hath No Fury Mar 2012 #74

Actually ...someone with a knife is more dangerous. L0oniX Mar 2012 #206

Sad life got root Mar 2012 #77

Maybe you could help by working with the religious right on that "sick society". L0oniX Mar 2012 #205

Sad yes, realistic? YES, HELL YES. BeHereNow Mar 2012 #234

I bet you've never experienced being robbed at gunpoint groundloop Mar 2012 #103

this is a really useful insight renate Mar 2012 #148

Excellent post.. and sorry that happened to you. n/t K Gardner Mar 2012 #150

K&R. Best and most honest answer yet COLGATE4 Mar 2012 #163

You can bet all you want. L0oniX Mar 2012 #203

'That sheriff should be fired..." ??? Zimmerman wasn't a sheriff AnotherDreamWeaver Mar 2012 #109

So, HOW exactly does that work? If it wasn't his employment ... ? He just starts showing up in a patrice Mar 2012 #194

I read he had lived in the area, but left after the incident. AnotherDreamWeaver Mar 2012 #199

There are so many questions. I wonder if, as you say, "the area" = the gated-community in which his patrice Mar 2012 #207

Gated communities don't equal money obamanut2012 Mar 2012 #262

I never said Zimmerman was a sheriff. L0oniX Mar 2012 #201

OK, well, the police chief took leave or something, AnotherDreamWeaver Mar 2012 #219

I think he means the police chief. nt Honeycombe8 Mar 2012 #211

Oh yeah! Have you ever heard from anyone that carried a gun xtraxritical Mar 2012 #114

Yes I have ...and the bull shit is all yours. L0oniX Mar 2012 #202

I don't have a carry license, but I have a gun. I'm from Louisiana... Honeycombe8 Mar 2012 #213

I agree with you obamanut2012 Mar 2012 #263

We often play the hero in our imaginations. LanternWaste Mar 2012 #236

Translation: If he hadn't got all uppity. ret5hd Mar 2012 #4

EXACTLY what I said downthread, Ret5HD. Ecumenist Mar 2012 #19

Are you Black? lose the pain body Mar 2012 #26

Yeah, what right does a Zimmerman-type have to ask why we are walking indepat Mar 2012 #157

None. No right whatsoever to ask. Rex Mar 2012 #178

DefCon 5 was the LOWEST defense condition and it = situation normal. HereSince1628 Mar 2012 #5

Evidently the neighbor didn't know his Defcon Numbers.. but he K Gardner Mar 2012 #8

most of us know Defcon numbers from the movie "War Games" hfojvt Mar 2012 #110

I believe there's actually a law that says movies actually have to change stuff like that around Downtown Hound Mar 2012 #137

Well on the DVD, the commentary from the producers hfojvt Mar 2012 #220

It was a basically a count-down to nuclear war... HereSince1628 Mar 2012 #153

I hate that phrase though hfojvt Mar 2012 #221

It's interesting to me how number sequences can be seen... HereSince1628 Mar 2012 #223

war with Iraq probably was inevitable hfojvt Mar 2012 #229

I'm sure that's one countdown I would have favored. HereSince1628 Mar 2012 #230

I certainly wouldn't want to live in an area where I am subject spot interrogation.... Liberal Veteran Mar 2012 #7

Bingo. Also, some reports say Zimmerman wasn't even part of the K Gardner Mar 2012 #13

Yeah apparently it was confirmed. He was self-appointed but not on the team. n/t vaberella Mar 2012 #168

Who watches the Watchmen? Dragonfli Mar 2012 #99

actually I sorta gave the same answer to a cop back in 1986 hfojvt Mar 2012 #119

The only person you have to answer to is law enforcement obamanut2012 Mar 2012 #264

If those friggin gated communities want... Little Star Mar 2012 #9

A civil suit for wrongful death against the gated community may be in order. kiranon Mar 2012 #89

Good thought! Little Star Mar 2012 #92

Yeah, he should have said "yassuh, massa I's sorry" tularetom Mar 2012 #10

+1 n/t n2doc Mar 2012 #14

+2 (we need like buttons for comments) n/t K Gardner Mar 2012 #15

What about his school suspension? lose the pain body Mar 2012 #28

What does his school suspension have to do with getting shot? n/t ceile Mar 2012 #35

Post removed Post removed Mar 2012 #37

And again- nothing to do with him getting shot. n/t ceile Mar 2012 #44

You are not going to like this but your comment is in fact a text book example of racism MattBaggins Mar 2012 #64

Well, you see arthritisR_US Mar 2012 #50

He was suspended for being late to school too many times csziggy Mar 2012 #57

And this has always struck me as a stupid policy. Tatiana Mar 2012 #88

From what I've read this was a really good kid csziggy Mar 2012 #98

Free public education malls, open 8a - 8p, 365. Cradle to grave free education. patrice Mar 2012 #231

WRONG! Even his own father said something completely different. rainy day woman 69 Mar 2012 #247

His father was not the custodial parent and may not have known the exact reason csziggy Mar 2012 #249

That article's a week old, m'dear! shadegrown tofu Mar 2012 #253

I'll believe the quote from the teacher at the school csziggy Mar 2012 #256

You created an account just to revive this thread and slam a murdered child? K Gardner Mar 2012 #250

She's gone. Again. uppityperson Mar 2012 #251

You are ALL OVER THIS THREAD criticizing this Murdered Boy and K Gardner Mar 2012 #62

Tell me how I criticize the victim. rainy day woman 69 Mar 2012 #248

It tickles me to no end to see all of the "angst" over the "younger pic" used Number23 Mar 2012 #259

I have no idea why they are trying to smear Trayvon's reputation now, after he is dead. Major Hogwash Mar 2012 #260

Smearing his reputation is the first tactic to discrediting the international Number23 Mar 2012 #266

lame got root Mar 2012 #79

Perhaps because that is none of your fucking business?n/t Horse with no Name Mar 2012 #113

Um, I got suspended from school once Downtown Hound Mar 2012 #133

Lol boy gets suspended from school. therefore he must be such an asshole he deserves getting shot... DFab420 Mar 2012 #158

Why yes he was. In fact Glen Beck COLGATE4 Mar 2012 #164

You're funny. Did you read your absurd question? vaberella Mar 2012 #169

His school suspension was over being late...not problem behavior. Lilyeye Mar 2012 #185

Honey, save that mess for someone else im in you ur in me Mar 2012 #225

Stormfront boring today? How about you save your mess for someone else troll. Lilyeye Mar 2012 #228

Right. NOLALady Mar 2012 #224

Who gives a MOTHERFUCK about his school suspension? What's wrong with you? DisgustipatedinCA Mar 2012 #232

oops....I see this POS has been tombstoned, without an "ex" Freeper having the chance to defend him DisgustipatedinCA Mar 2012 #233

yes, you are indeed defending zimmerman noiretextatique Mar 2012 #238

zimmerman had prior ARRESTS...not sure if he was ever suspended for being late to school though noiretextatique Mar 2012 #244

Horrible. Ugly racism. Disgusting. yardwork Mar 2012 #11

Did you get your outrage fix for the day? lose the pain body Mar 2012 #40

listen troll: racist murders are outrageous noiretextatique Mar 2012 #242

From what I heard on the news (CNN) Zimmerman xtraxritical Mar 2012 #122

subtext: know your place, boy frylock Mar 2012 #12

Our "place" as human being is to be civilized. lose the pain body Mar 2012 #43

How quaint MattBaggins Mar 2012 #69

Actually, as Hispanic mothers, that's what we tell our kids Rozlee Mar 2012 #106

That is exactly what they're taught in order to come back home to their mother alive... vaberella Mar 2012 #171

George Zimmerman.. is that you?? n/t K Gardner Mar 2012 #78

Enjoy your stay malaise Mar 2012 #94

Being A Cop Is No Excuse to be Mouthy, Asswipe otohara Mar 2012 #102

So many options depend upon what/whose game one plays. Get suckered, or intentionally choose, THEIR patrice Mar 2012 #147

troll harder, please Blue_Tires Mar 2012 #175

And it was not civilized of Zimmerman to chase Martin around the neighborhood that night fishwax Mar 2012 #218

Anderson may not have understood what that guy was saying csziggy Mar 2012 #66

Uh, not buying it - LibertyLover Mar 2012 #143

I heard that too and the first thing in my mind was "ain't this some "ish"?" Ecumenist Mar 2012 #16

We will probably never know the truth of what really happened.. because K Gardner Mar 2012 #22

yes Carolina Mar 2012 #47

So anyone who thinks that there are a variety of responses, other than "Fuck you!", many of which patrice Mar 2012 #235

so, mr taffe knows how trayvon answered? how's that mr taffe? and what is the 'appropriate manner'? spanone Mar 2012 #17

At the very least, you'd think Cooper would've asked deutsey Mar 2012 #23

I would have liked to hear more of the interview. marble falls Mar 2012 #84

The "appropriate" way -- Hell Hath No Fury Mar 2012 #36

That seems about right... Moostache Mar 2012 #116

"These racist fools cannot even see that the very idea of blaming the victim..." Hell Hath No Fury Mar 2012 #124

I'm not surprised at all that there weren't any follow up questions. He's just another newsmodel, Guy Whitey Corngood Mar 2012 #18

+1000 Blue_Tires Mar 2012 #174

The Appropriate Answer, Sir, Is 'None Of Your Fucking Business' The Magistrate Mar 2012 #20

No, that is rudeness that any parent lose the pain body Mar 2012 #29

Cause a Black Man always has to be polite. Hell Hath No Fury Mar 2012 #31

Post removed Post removed Mar 2012 #34

Uh yeah, right. Hell Hath No Fury Mar 2012 #38

The fact that you think you're entitled to be rude to others because of how they treat lose the pain body Mar 2012 #45

As If You're Exhibiting Positive Spirituality On This Thread....... (n/t) Paladin Mar 2012 #82

It Is, Sir, At Least Now In The Spirit World.... The Magistrate Mar 2012 #87

Everyone should be polite. Lizzie Poppet Mar 2012 #180

It IS possible that some people are thinking that ANYONE in that position should do what it takes patrice Mar 2012 #237

That Is The Appropriate Answer, Ma'am, and What Anyone Interfering With A Stranger Should Expect The Magistrate Mar 2012 #60

Yes and perhaps you will yeild that, amongst all possible reactions to this answer, that particular patrice Mar 2012 #144

People Who Accost Strangers In Public, Sir, Ought To Be Made To Feel Small The Magistrate Mar 2012 #155

Not an absolute. Some of us feel that private victories can be the sweetest. That said, it is patrice Mar 2012 #160

Such behaviors aren't always about that particular person feeling "above themselves and their patrice Mar 2012 #161

My Assertion, Sir, is Simply That People Have A Right To Go About their Peaceable Way Without Bother The Magistrate Mar 2012 #170

Agreed. With the caution that that way should, in fact, be peaceable and not visit, intentionally or patrice Mar 2012 #186

Why do you say her? MattBaggins Mar 2012 #70

It appears Mr. Zimmerman was a self appointed "Watchman" AnotherDreamWeaver Mar 2012 #96

Yes, so TM's reaction, whatever it was, is justifiable. But WHO in the neighborhood knew patrice Mar 2012 #159

One of the first articles I read after hearing news of the tapes on the radio, AnotherDreamWeaver Mar 2012 #187

Yes, that kind of stuff. Have you tried to get a job lately? Personality assessments are patrice Mar 2012 #188

Could neighborhood legal involvement be one of the reasons PD was trying to bury it? patrice Mar 2012 #197

This is referred to as a 'gated community' AnotherDreamWeaver Mar 2012 #200

Someone lies in wait with a gun, for FREE? What does that say about motive? patrice Mar 2012 #208

have you read the Mother Jones piece? AnotherDreamWeaver Mar 2012 #215

Thanks. patrice Mar 2012 #217

What park of not talking to strangers do you not get? Logical Mar 2012 #120

what makes you believe he should have been "polite" noiretextatique Mar 2012 #240

"I have a date with your mother" d_r Mar 2012 #129

+1000 that is the correct answer to any asshole who thinks they can judge "where you belong" noiretextatique Mar 2012 #239

how disgusting samsingh Mar 2012 #21

Fly on the wall Wellstone ruled Mar 2012 #24

I wasn't aware of the geographic proximity.. but good point. n/t K Gardner Mar 2012 #27

No one has to answer anyone! You don't even have to answer the police ...and you shouldn't. L0oniX Mar 2012 #25

I was just about to post this! Now we have to answer "correctly" to "Watch Captains", or DIE?! WinkyDink Mar 2012 #52

Personally, I'd be wondering if some SOB, crazy enough to interrogate me, might also be crazy enough patrice Mar 2012 #243

I wanted to punch that guy in the face. Hell Hath No Fury Mar 2012 #30

I had to walk away from the TV.. so I missed Tobin's response. It's K Gardner Mar 2012 #33

Tobin was aghast and you could tell -- Hell Hath No Fury Mar 2012 #55

So you read what you posted and cannot see that Anderson was simply allowing for the other side to lose the pain body Mar 2012 #32

You're joking, right? If so, you forgot the sarcasm smiley. Because K Gardner Mar 2012 #39

I never said I thought it was a great thing. lose the pain body Mar 2012 #46

The other side can respond all they want. ceile Mar 2012 #41

"Fucking coon" Hell Hath No Fury Mar 2012 #42

Post removed Post removed Mar 2012 #48

So Trayvon was supposed to be "polite" ceile Mar 2012 #53

FYI, this poster is no longer with us. uppityperson Mar 2012 #63

Thank god.. I was having a meltdown over here. n/t K Gardner Mar 2012 #67

You and me both! Hell Hath No Fury Mar 2012 #80

I'm not Right-Wing. Sheesh im in you ur in me Mar 2012 #226

Many Thanks For The Action Taken. (n/t) Paladin Mar 2012 #83

Oh good. ceile Mar 2012 #85

this place is lousy with these idiots the last few days frylock Mar 2012 #97

thanks, everyone for alerting noiretextatique Mar 2012 #245

I'm truly on the verge of Alerting on you in this thread.. what are K Gardner Mar 2012 #65

You're just a big bowl of fucking stupid. Aren't you. nt Guy Whitey Corngood Mar 2012 #68

Where is the cigar in this case? I'd like to be able to identify it but the problem I'm having sabrina 1 Mar 2012 #112

Agreed. All characterizations of THEIR conversation are hypothetical. But the conversations patrice Mar 2012 #246

what "other side" are you talking about?!?! noiretextatique Mar 2012 #241

Black Men must must explain to people who we are & what we're doing for no reason at all... HipChick Mar 2012 #51

Kids are taught to avoid stranger danger. Baitball Blogger Mar 2012 #54

So not answering in an 'appropriate manner' is life threatening? And sinkingfeeling Mar 2012 #58

And just what, pray tell, is an "appropriate manner"? KamaAina Mar 2012 #59

Really, because everyone should Smilo Mar 2012 #72

A popular notion gratuitous Mar 2012 #73

As Above, So Below it would appear Dragonfli Mar 2012 #214

If only she hadn't dressed that way, she wouldn't have been raped. Dr. Strange Mar 2012 #75

+1 to the infinity on that answer LynneSin Mar 2012 #90

One to the infinity is an indeterminate form! Dr. Strange Mar 2012 #105

If the girlfriend's narrative of what she heard is accurate csziggy Mar 2012 #76

Silence was reason enought to shoot him? Wow. (nt) ehrnst Mar 2012 #86

Cooper Really Blew This Interview DallasNE Mar 2012 #91

+1 +1 +1 - n/t K Gardner Mar 2012 #93

That was my first takeaway. "Most committed by Black males," should have had a followup question. ieoeja Mar 2012 #142

Thugs Come From All Stripes DallasNE Mar 2012 #165

I'm surprised they put that tool on TV to begin with Blue_Tires Mar 2012 #179

"It was Zimmerman that did not answer in an appropriate manner and not the other way around." qanda Mar 2012 #181

Horseshit. Was he supposed to read minds? JHB Mar 2012 #95

When all is said and done, and the books are written. Taaffe will come off worse than Zimmerman... Junkdrawer Mar 2012 #100

Yeah, I just updated at bottom of OP to include Taafe's latest outrageous K Gardner Mar 2012 #111

Wow, that Taaffe guy - Hell Hath No Fury Mar 2012 #125

"His duties as watch captain" sendero Mar 2012 #101

Really cindyperry2010 Mar 2012 #104

And if only the whole country had voted for Strom Thurmond in '48 DefenseLawyer Mar 2012 #107

That really is what this is all about, isn't it. Hell Hath No Fury Mar 2012 #135

Jeez. Since when does someone have to answer another about what they are doing on a public way? AllyCat Mar 2012 #108

Why does the young man have to tell this person anything? He was just walking and doing nothing southernyankeebelle Mar 2012 #115

Maybe Trayvon DID say those things mainer Mar 2012 #117

What's the "appropriate" response when an armed man is chasing you down? Bruce Wayne Mar 2012 #118

Fuck that shit. Fawke Em Mar 2012 #121

What the interviewee was really saying was: tledford Mar 2012 #126

He's essentially affirming that Sanford is a "sundown town" by default. myrna minx Mar 2012 #136

What is a "sundown town"? HeiressofBickworth Mar 2012 #198

A "sundown town" was a town where the presence of African-Americans Art_from_Ark Mar 2012 #209

I didn't know that either. Thanks for explaning. n/t K Gardner Mar 2012 #210

Damn, that's harsh. HeiressofBickworth Mar 2012 #212

My hometown has changed in that respect Art_from_Ark Mar 2012 #216

If he hadn't been "uppity" in other words... nt Xipe Totec Mar 2012 #127

Staggering. What an idiot. An intentional idiot at that. Solly Mack Mar 2012 #128

As a WOMAN -- Hell Hath No Fury Mar 2012 #132

Exactly! Solly Mack Mar 2012 #140

Hey Mr. Taafe Downtown Hound Mar 2012 #130

In my opinion, the problem occured long before Trayvon spoke a single word. ZombieHorde Mar 2012 #131

Performing his duties.......who made him Watch Captain? ....... Historic NY Mar 2012 #138

And what was his idea of "appropriate manner"? "Yes massa!"? n/t backscatter712 Mar 2012 #139

There are way more than 2 polar possibilities & the choice depends on way more than the 2 patrice Mar 2012 #145

Link to the Cooper Interview. CBHagman Mar 2012 #146

why in the FUCKING HELL BlancheSplanchnik Mar 2012 #149

No idea.. AC just sat there with a blank look on his face and K Gardner Mar 2012 #152

I saw that interview too and all I could do was shake my head Catherine Vincent Mar 2012 #151

Oh, I have no doubt he's there. Hopefully a REAL reporter will K Gardner Mar 2012 #156

Well first off you can tell by the interview this man doesn't know Zimmerman or associated with him. vaberella Mar 2012 #167

"Fed Up Issues" ARE anger issues. surrealAmerican Mar 2012 #172

So this guy was there and knows that Trayvon didn't tell him? WI_DEM Mar 2012 #173

I was just thinking the same thing. Has this guy been questioned? K Gardner Mar 2012 #182

This message was self-deleted by its author devilgrrl Mar 2012 #176

Fuck that lying POS. He can join his friend imo. Rex Mar 2012 #177

Thanks for the pic . . . those eyes!!! nt patrice Mar 2012 #189

Wasn't he just gorgeous? It's hard to look at those eyes. nt K Gardner Mar 2012 #193

I have put Trayvon's image with that of other innocents who motivate my somewhat patrice Mar 2012 #196

as if trayvon owed that freak an explanation for anything nt arely staircase Mar 2012 #190

If only Florida lawmakers had thought it through before they enabled intolerant vigilantes pacalo Mar 2012 #191

This Reminds me of How Women are Blamed for Being Raped JI7 Mar 2012 #192

Fuck that shit guitar man Mar 2012 #195

Stay classy with the language... shadegrown tofu Mar 2012 #252

Buh bye guitar man Mar 2012 #258

What's the appropriate way to respond to being stalked by a thug? 6000eliot Mar 2012 #222

"Taaffe": "Get in line boy!" Dawson Leery Mar 2012 #254

Taafe: 'My friend is a murderer and I am okay with that.' Rex Mar 2012 #255

Bigots truly believe this kind of crap loyalsister Mar 2012 #257

Who is Frank Taaffe? baldguy Mar 2012 #265

Thanks for this link !! n/t K Gardner Mar 2012 #267

Oh, excellent stuff. Thanks n/t Catherina Apr 2012 #268