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BrotherIvan

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78. What the cheering squad fails to understand is that people already know

Tue Feb 25, 2014, 01:52 PM

Feb 2014

People know that no one is fighting for them (with a few exceptions), that the game is rigged against them. I have never seen so much despair in this country. Obama won because of his promise of "change"--one word: change--because that encapsulates what people so desperately want. To get back on the right track somehow, not be told to eat our peas and cheer. It was as cynical a sales pitch as I have ever seen.

Democrats win because Republicans are so bad. I know many people who were very dispirited and weren't going to vote, but reconsidered when Rmoney won the nomination. It seems like no coincidence that the Republicans, crafty cage fighters, could only put forward the clown car of idiots. They are getting everything they want from a Democratic president. Now that Democrats are breaking away from the TPP, the Republicans are siding with Obama. It's so damn obvious what the plan for the country is.

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Voters Blame Trade Agreements for Job Losses [View all] eridani Feb 2014 OP

People who recognise this sort of thing can't, of course, vote against Obama. djean111 Feb 2014 #1

My brother, just about the lowest information non voting as you get, absolutely "KNOWS"..... Hassin Bin Sober Feb 2014 #24

President Obama himself has admitted that NAFTA fucked your brother and his buddies. bvar22 Feb 2014 #32

+1 Marr Feb 2014 #73

Um.. but Clinton did fuck American workers with NAFTA.[n/t] Maedhros Feb 2014 #41

Duh. But that doesn't mean they should vote for Romney or Rubio or Christie. Hassin Bin Sober Feb 2014 #49

What frustrates the hell out of me Maedhros Feb 2014 #50

Absolutely correct, it doesn't mean that at all Jack Rabbit Feb 2014 #53

You got that right dreamnightwind Feb 2014 #74

only the media iamthebandfanman Feb 2014 #46

EXACTLY!! And anyone that read Obama's books before 2008 knew Joe Lieberman was his "mentor" loudsue Feb 2014 #60

But Lieberman was the lone holdout against the public option! I grahamhgreen Feb 2014 #67

Rahm Emmanuel, I'm sure, counseled Obama to "consult" with the insurance companies first. loudsue Feb 2014 #79

Int'l trade agreements are so maverICKY ~ blkmusclmachine Feb 2014 #2

I'm sure the Third Way sycophants will K&R this --- NOT! nt antigop Feb 2014 #3

Bring back tariffs! RoccoR5955 Feb 2014 #4

Simply Put bkanderson76 Feb 2014 #5

Even the Simpson's parodied Apple...... wolfie001 Feb 2014 #6

It's not JUST Apple RoccoR5955 Feb 2014 #29

Yes you're 100% right! wolfie001 Feb 2014 #68

Bring back FDR! L0oniX Feb 2014 #23

That wouldn't help. FDR campaigned against high tariffs, lowered them and pampango Feb 2014 #30

Yeah well I think you know he got America working again ...so whatever. L0oniX Feb 2014 #35

Oh he definitely did that. pampango Feb 2014 #40

Notice how effectively they've turned protectionism into a dirty word? Egalitarian Thug Feb 2014 #52

Corporatist centrist reframing term "protectionism" L0oniX Feb 2014 #65

Good idea, and stop giving subsidies and tax breaks to Corps that take jobs out of the sabrina 1 Feb 2014 #69

From the linked article... PearliePoo2 Feb 2014 #7

Excellent explanation. JDPriestly Feb 2014 #10

And almost ALL the profits from such BOOM would end up in.... Amonester Feb 2014 #63

a candidate and/or party pipoman Feb 2014 #8

Yes. We hoot and holler about the split in the Republican Party. JDPriestly Feb 2014 #11

A lot of people abandoned the Democratic party pipoman Feb 2014 #13

Bingo! CANDO Feb 2014 #18

Or they were peeled off by same. Hassin Bin Sober Feb 2014 #26

And they're correct. jsr Feb 2014 #9

IMO Mr Dixon Feb 2014 #12

Your opinion is astute Populist_Prole Feb 2014 #36

AGREED Mr Dixon Feb 2014 #39

It couldn't be more obvious. Like Chained CPI, trade agreements are electoral suicide. Enthusiast Feb 2014 #14

"Apologist" and "highly paid sock puppet" checking in. pampango Feb 2014 #31

You don't have to be paid to be wrong. Most of the suckers that have bought this line Egalitarian Thug Feb 2014 #38

Now it's a choice between being a "sucker", "sociopath" and "unimaginative, incurious, sheeple"? pampango Feb 2014 #43

No matter how you attempt to modulate your advocacy, regardless of all the jargon crafted Egalitarian Thug Feb 2014 #44

Now Europeans, Canadians and I support "global parasitism"? They will be crushed, I'm sure. As am I. pampango Feb 2014 #47

"It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his job depends on not understanding it." Egalitarian Thug Feb 2014 #48

It's not just manufacturing abelenkpe Feb 2014 #15

Exactly! ctsnowman Feb 2014 #17

Yep. Key word: India. jsr Feb 2014 #27

yep. Phlem Feb 2014 #42

K & R ctsnowman Feb 2014 #16

NAFTA CANDO Feb 2014 #19

So repukes made Bill sign off on it? L0oniX Feb 2014 #22

Nonsense pipoman Feb 2014 #28

Right you are, but my point being.... CANDO Feb 2014 #71

Hair splitting pipoman Feb 2014 #76

Mr. No Shit Sherlock agrees. Hey Obama ...get a fucking clue. L0oniX Feb 2014 #20

Ya know, I liked the way you put that!!! +1 grahamhgreen Feb 2014 #33

Well, either I'm missing it or it's not there EC Feb 2014 #21

time to bring out the pitchforks and torches. kath Feb 2014 #25

And yet those answering this poll will still shop for the cheapest price no matter what BrotherIvan Feb 2014 #34

Very Salient points Brother... druidity33 Feb 2014 #75

We did last time, too. Google "NAFTA." Made about half a shit's worth of difference. n/t TygrBright Feb 2014 #37

"Bill to Repeal NAFTA Stalled in the House" iamthebandfanman Feb 2014 #45

Republicans blame democrats for NAFTA, but B Calm Feb 2014 #77

This just goes to show how bought and paid for our govt. is. OnionPatch Feb 2014 #51

K&R cprise Feb 2014 #54

K&R Great thread. woo me with science Feb 2014 #55

Good poll, and ProSense Feb 2014 #56

Crazy Old Ross Perot Was Right colsohlibgal Feb 2014 #57

Voters are 100% correct. Enthusiast Feb 2014 #58

Yeah, and you know what really burns my ass? Populist_Prole Feb 2014 #61

And all the while the media acts as if the TPP doesn't even exist. Enthusiast Feb 2014 #62

if they keep it up people will start distrsuting those who talk down to them constanly! MisterP Feb 2014 #70

If we lose big in 2014 this is the reason. Not Ralph Nader or some other lame excuse. rhett o rick Feb 2014 #59

What the cheering squad fails to understand is that people already know BrotherIvan Feb 2014 #78

The numbers of GOP and Independent voters Curmudgeoness Feb 2014 #64

Americans also love their Hyundais and Toyotas. Basically, they're idiots. Romulox Feb 2014 #66

Spot on post Populist_Prole Feb 2014 #72

But many "foreign" cars are made in America Savannahmann Feb 2014 #80

H1B IT workers also work in America. So your point falls flat. Romulox Feb 2014 #81

I spoke of cars because I am interested and informed. Savannahmann Feb 2014 #82

Sure, speak of cars. But also speak of the engineers who design them. "Foreign" workers Romulox Feb 2014 #83

Seriously? All of that and you grasp at the "Engineering" straw? Savannahmann Feb 2014 #86

Trade is a good thing FreeJoe Feb 2014 #84

Nice post, FreeJoe. "Care must be taken to make sure that those benefits are distributed fairly." pampango Feb 2014 #85

The notion that TPP has something to do with trade is a bunch of bullshit eridani Feb 2014 #87

Some of the confusion comes from references to the TPP as "NAFTA on steroids" or NAFTA II when pampango Feb 2014 #88

NAFTA fucked over the 99% in all of North America eridani Feb 2014 #89

And NAFTA was a trade agreement and the TPP, as you pointed out, is largely not. pampango Feb 2014 #90