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lumberjack_jeff

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65. I'm not sure that your conclusions are valid

Tue Feb 25, 2014, 04:32 PM

Feb 2014

If a man opens a door, steps aside and lets the approaching person pass through first, the person either feels validated, appreciated and worthy OR invalidated and demeaned depending on sex.

First: The confidence being measured isn't "self-confidence" at all. It's the confidence boost that comes from twenty-something person of the opposite sex doing something nice for you.

As a control, measure the "self confidence" of guys for whom college aged women opened and held a door for them.

Second: The issue with benevolent sexism isn't the state of mind of the person receiving the solicitous treatment, it's the belief system of the person who thinks she needs it.

Many men who consider themselves feminists could better be described as benevolent sexists.

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Favorite Anti-Feminist Theory Debunked By Purdue Researchers [View all] geek tragedy Feb 2014 OP

"If you're unsure why benevolent sexism is worth discussing..." Major Nikon Feb 2014 #1

opening doors for people is common courtesy, not sexism. geek tragedy Feb 2014 #6

I like to give most people the benefit of the doubt Major Nikon Feb 2014 #17

And the used car lot wasn't moving enough product.nt rrneck Feb 2014 #60

There is a clear difference between the common courtesy RBStevens Feb 2014 #23

If I am in a position to hold a door open for anyone, make or female, I do it. Adrahil Feb 2014 #67

I'm female and I hold doors open and let the other person Jamastiene Feb 2014 #141

I have only one worry about holding/not holding a door open: REP Feb 2014 #2

don't worry about that. demigoddess Feb 2014 #108

Door-opening heroes in 3...2...1... Iggo Feb 2014 #3

He's a door stop hero. NuclearDem Feb 2014 #10

... RBStevens Feb 2014 #63

The poor dear. Squinch Feb 2014 #97

I do believe he went the way of the juke box ... Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2014 #128

All the makings of an epic battle pintobean Feb 2014 #12

I hold a door open for everyone, male or female, it is just simple courtesy Bandit Feb 2014 #4

^This^ GoneOffShore Feb 2014 #45

Woman here..+1. n/t one_voice Feb 2014 #54

Woman here. I hold the door open for anyone behind me, period. nt laundry_queen Feb 2014 #58

Same here n/t deutsey Feb 2014 #124

yep. Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2014 #130

Doesn't this belong in one of the five women's groups? OilemFirchen Feb 2014 #5

sorry, are you saying sexism is only a women's issue? also, this addresses male behavior and geek tragedy Feb 2014 #8

Color me confused. OilemFirchen Feb 2014 #49

because this post doesn't objectify any human beings. nt geek tragedy Feb 2014 #53

Do the posts in the womens' groups objectify human beings? OilemFirchen Feb 2014 #55

same reason as all DU groups, someone asked if they could be created geek tragedy Feb 2014 #56

I don't propose anything. OilemFirchen Feb 2014 #59

it's not about current events or politics or anything related to public policy geek tragedy Feb 2014 #61

Au contraire. OilemFirchen Feb 2014 #80

Yes, with the conclusion being that posting soft porn geek tragedy Feb 2014 #81

Thanks for not reading my response. OilemFirchen Feb 2014 #87

really, how would you differentiate geek tragedy Feb 2014 #94

I'll let my local grocery store decide. OilemFirchen Feb 2014 #99

so, is The English Patient porn then? nt geek tragedy Feb 2014 #100

Never seen it. OilemFirchen Feb 2014 #103

of course not. it's art. nt geek tragedy Feb 2014 #104

Eye of the beholder. OilemFirchen Feb 2014 #107

Gawd geek and here I thought you were a BIG RBStevens Feb 2014 #91

I'm half tempted to show my wife the posts calling me a prude. geek tragedy Feb 2014 #96

Perhaps you should. OilemFirchen Feb 2014 #102

From the SOP: "Discuss politics, issues, and current events..." Gormy Cuss Feb 2014 #11

You mean like this one... Major Nikon Feb 2014 #21

That's an x-post example Gormy Cuss Feb 2014 #22

Then the SI post should have been x-posted to the Lounge? OilemFirchen Feb 2014 #50

Well yes, that's why clarification of the SOP (i.e. more words) Gormy Cuss Feb 2014 #64

because GD is not for the exclusive discussion of thing that are pertinent to you? La Lioness Priyanka Feb 2014 #74

women make up up 50+% of the human race. women's issues are human issues. sorry. nt TheFrenchRazor Feb 2014 #93

Thanks for sharing. OilemFirchen Feb 2014 #95

I (a woman) hold a door open for whomever is behind me frazzled Feb 2014 #7

yes, that's my take on it. geek tragedy Feb 2014 #9

Oooooooh. a sample group of 196.. change the world, that will.. opiate69 Feb 2014 #13

no one will blame you if you fail to hold doors for women geek tragedy Feb 2014 #31

nah.. I'll continue to be a decent person and hold the door for anyone and everyone. opiate69 Feb 2014 #34

However... Blue_Adept Feb 2014 #62

196 is a large enough sample for this research. La Lioness Priyanka Feb 2014 #71

196 isn't even outside the margin of error for real scientific studies. opiate69 Feb 2014 #72

what do you mean by 'real' scientific studies? La Lioness Priyanka Feb 2014 #73

Well.. opiate69 Feb 2014 #77

is there any theoretical reason why this particular finding would depend on La Lioness Priyanka Feb 2014 #78

The variables being the "significant differences" your large sample groups would lead to. opiate69 Feb 2014 #79

That's a lot of hyperbole in one article... Lost_Count Feb 2014 #14

Being helpful ought to be appreciated.. We need more of it, not less regardless of who does it. hlthe2b Feb 2014 #15

Well, I'm glad that burning issue has been settled. nt Comrade Grumpy Feb 2014 #16

I open the door for everyone. dilby Feb 2014 #18

I really like her conclusion. KitSileya Feb 2014 #19

I slam the door in everyone's face. Vashta Nerada Feb 2014 #20

Was that really necessary? RBStevens Feb 2014 #25

If they're the Jehovah's Witnesses, it is. nt geek tragedy Feb 2014 #28

It was absolutely necessary. Vashta Nerada Feb 2014 #35

Why is it necessary to say something that I think probably RBStevens Feb 2014 #41

I'm a jerk. Vashta Nerada Feb 2014 #43

Well I do appreciate honesty in people. So thanks. RBStevens Feb 2014 #44

I started doing that after being "educated" on the subject here. NaturalHigh Feb 2014 #119

How much is a fuckton? snooper2 Feb 2014 #24

It's about 1000 "fucks of a lot" nt geek tragedy Feb 2014 #29

About 13 craploads NuclearDem Feb 2014 #38

how much is a crapload? just one human in the morning snooper2 Feb 2014 #40

Well, it's the impeerial system, so just about the size of an average crap. NuclearDem Feb 2014 #48

One crapload is 2.737 liters. But that's metric. You'll have to do the quart conversion yourself. Squinch Feb 2014 #101

I think it's a brazilian squared. edbermac Feb 2014 #70

Huh? This debunks a feminist theory, not an anti-feminist theory mathematic Feb 2014 #26

Actually, you just repeated the anti-feminist myth. geek tragedy Feb 2014 #27

Here are some examples of what feminists think about door-opening. mathematic Feb 2014 #42

yes, if a man opens a door for a woman when it makes no sense for him geek tragedy Feb 2014 #46

Professional Feminist Commentators. RBStevens Feb 2014 #47

Please read what I said in post #23 above. RBStevens Feb 2014 #32

"a whole fuckton of men"...sigh... the article needs to be a tad bit more abrasive and the message a uponit7771 Feb 2014 #30

I s'pose a lot of people fight for vulgarity only if it appears on DU... LanternWaste Feb 2014 #134

I wonder about confounding factors here and will look up the study--eg zazen Feb 2014 #33

Good questions Gormy Cuss Feb 2014 #36

link to full original study, FYI zazen Feb 2014 #37

I open doors for people older than me, people with their hands full - children, bags, whatever. Solly Mack Feb 2014 #39

If having a door opened for you ohheckyeah Feb 2014 #51

Agreed. NaturalHigh Feb 2014 #121

You know what I hate? justiceischeap Feb 2014 #52

That's passive aggressive behavior. Vashta Nerada Feb 2014 #57

I had a look at the link you provided because my mom exhibits RBStevens Feb 2014 #68

No. Vashta Nerada Feb 2014 #69

Hmm. I'm just not sure that that's exactly passive-aggressive behavior though. RBStevens Feb 2014 #76

It's not, IMO. I agree with you. laundry_queen Feb 2014 #89

Nice example - thank you. RBStevens Feb 2014 #92

Could just be bad timing treestar Feb 2014 #83

I'm not sure that your conclusions are valid lumberjack_jeff Feb 2014 #65

I hold doors open for everyone in close proximity and appreciate when they do the same left is right Feb 2014 #66

Very interesting 1awake Feb 2014 #75

Indeed. I don't know anyone, out here in the real world, who gives a shit about a door being opened. Warren DeMontague Feb 2014 #82

you must not have hipsters in your neighborhood nt geek tragedy Feb 2014 #84

We get a different breed, I suspect. Warren DeMontague Feb 2014 #85

those are universal traits. maybe the fedora is restricted to the geek tragedy Feb 2014 #86

Probably. Warren DeMontague Feb 2014 #88

it's very unpractical in NYC too due to wind canyon effect geek tragedy Feb 2014 #90

If you're gonna wear a hat Warren DeMontague Feb 2014 #98

AHHHHHH, save mankind from the matriarchy of doors! BainsBane Feb 2014 #105

Sorry, but that looks more Led Zeppelin, to me. Warren DeMontague Feb 2014 #109

Yep. And the inner-jacket pulls out, leaving the little window cut outs exposed. DisgustipatedinCA Feb 2014 #142

...... sufrommich Feb 2014 #112

I go through the door as quickly as possible, ZombieHorde Feb 2014 #106

I try to nail it shut with a 2 by 4 as quickly as possible. Warren DeMontague Feb 2014 #110

Lol. nt sufrommich Feb 2014 #111

I literally "lol'ed" on this deutsey Feb 2014 #132

Thanks to the education I received here... NaturalHigh Feb 2014 #113

you learned the wrong lesson then. nt geek tragedy Feb 2014 #114

I anxiously await your wise advice. NaturalHigh Feb 2014 #115

common courtesy offends no one. nt geek tragedy Feb 2014 #116

But calling an act of common courtesy... NaturalHigh Feb 2014 #117

if you open the door for men and women both, it's not sexist and geek tragedy Feb 2014 #118

What if I only open it for women? NaturalHigh Feb 2014 #120

are you really interested in this topic or merely trying to triviliaze geek tragedy Feb 2014 #123

I just think the entire premise is ridiculous. NaturalHigh Feb 2014 #125

you seem very eager to find people who disagree with you. nt geek tragedy Feb 2014 #126

It's not hard. NaturalHigh Feb 2014 #127

yawn. last words is yours nt geek tragedy Feb 2014 #133

They just playin' games ismnotwasm Feb 2014 #122

Here you go BainsBane Feb 2014 #131

Don't cherry-pick the post. NaturalHigh Feb 2014 #136

Ah, yeah. I don't think anyone here is claiming it is sexist BainsBane Feb 2014 #137

Okay...the next time I say I won't hold doors open for anybody... NaturalHigh Feb 2014 #138

You also might want to work on BainsBane Feb 2014 #139

I'll get right on that... NaturalHigh Feb 2014 #140

the cultural meaning d_r Feb 2014 #129

If you're the first person through a door Warpy Feb 2014 #135

Interesting study, lousy reporting of it. Donald Ian Rankin Feb 2014 #143