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185. Yes. As it became evident that the OWS might be shut down perhaps with police brutality,

Wed Feb 26, 2014, 05:34 AM

Feb 2014

a few of us oldsters from the 'hood went to be present hoping that our presence would warn anyone contemplating any violence that we would not accept that. Of course, we were not the OWS types. We did not look OWS at all. One young man who looked like a police officer in civil clothes kept staring at me as if he was shocked. I think he recognized me from somewhere, and I suspect I know where. It is a place where the police and very respectable people often meet and where the very respectable people are rather in a position higher than the police. I am pleased to think he might have had a little more respect for OWS after that. He was definitely crashing the party to take names. I and my friends there to show support. I felt it was pretty clear that surveillance was in progress.

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How Covert Agents Infiltrate the Internet to Manipulate, Deceive, and Destroy Reputations [View all] DesMoinesDem Feb 2014 OP

k&r thanks for posting. nm rhett o rick Feb 2014 #1

That of course could never ever happen here. nadinbrzezinski Feb 2014 #2

nope bobduca Feb 2014 #19

Well there was this from Salon Autumn Feb 2014 #30

This really has me thinking...are there covert agents here? Cali_Democrat Feb 2014 #58

non-citizens may have some advantage here reddread Feb 2014 #64

I doubt one could ever know. If a republican were in office it Autumn Feb 2014 #66

I'd look for someone who is extremely well organized in his/her posts and never says JDPriestly Feb 2014 #166

Holy fucking shit!!11! Cali_Democrat Feb 2014 #171

Glad you can appreciate. JDPriestly Feb 2014 #172

That is 100% creepy right there. arcane1 Feb 2014 #75

They're here! Cali_Democrat Feb 2014 #79

I wonder if the Administration pays the same if Jackpine Radical Feb 2014 #104

They pay handsomely Cali_Democrat Feb 2014 #105

Pay is based on the number of smilies used [n/t] Maedhros Feb 2014 #278

Psst...Glenn's book is out on Mar. 25th. Now he has a reason for all the mean Amazon reviews. nt msanthrope Feb 2014 #225

Here are a couple of very interesting paras from that Salon story: Jackpine Radical Feb 2014 #103

very interesting reddread Feb 2014 #106

Indeed. (nt) Jackpine Radical Feb 2014 #116

Sunstein's the guy who recc'd we forgive Bush war crimes. Octafish Mar 2014 #292

It's about time this piece of the horror story begins to get some exposure. woo me with science Feb 2014 #3

+1, well said. Marr Feb 2014 #16

Nice! Enthusiast Feb 2014 #21

But we must be grateful, at least, that we have a Dem rusty fender Feb 2014 #42

Woo, you said the same thiong as Greenwald, but... bvar22 Feb 2014 #92

No, thank *you.* woo me with science Feb 2014 #198

This is just what I see here when certain subjects come up Mojorabbit Feb 2014 #229

this response is wrong. frwrfpos Feb 2014 #107

If you haven't read Greg Palast's Vulture's Picnic, you should. JDPriestly Feb 2014 #170

True. Combine surveillance, record-keeping on every individual's whereabouts and activities JDPriestly Feb 2014 #169

We don't have concentration camps Aerows Feb 2014 #250

You make a good point. JDPriestly Feb 2014 #254

Maybe they'll just start treating us like email-- Jackpine Radical Feb 2014 #281

K&R'd! snot Feb 2014 #4

They really are not that hard to spot. And of course, Anonymous confirmed that Glenn Greenwald sabrina 1 Feb 2014 #5

"This SHOULD be illegal, but of course we have to be an actual Democracy..." woo me with science Feb 2014 #9

Things are moving fast. The privatization of everything is nearly complete. sabrina 1 Feb 2014 #13

funny how you have zero criticism of the Ukrainian despot who ordered snipers to murder geek tragedy Feb 2014 #35

You mean the protesters that are largely made up of neo-nazis and fascists? qwertyq Feb 2014 #55

if an army sniper suspects someone is a fascist, then it's okay to shoot them in the city street? geek tragedy Feb 2014 #56

No, of course not. Jackpine Radical Feb 2014 #282

inside the US, absolutely not nt geek tragedy Feb 2014 #283

True, we moslty just let the cops eliminate potential problems with their sidearms. Jackpine Radical Feb 2014 #284

a symptom , not the disease ... MindMover Feb 2014 #57

Funny you ignored everything and stuck to the talking point that is supposed to justify sabrina 1 Feb 2014 #87

your crocodile tears for a despot who ordered the murder of political protestors geek tragedy Feb 2014 #88

Your support for coup d'etats in democracies, is also noted. Btw, that 'duly noted' thing, sabrina 1 Feb 2014 #153

How many dead protestors in the US vs Ukraine? geek tragedy Feb 2014 #160

You aren't very fond of the 'left' are you? sabrina 1 Feb 2014 #162

Not an attack on the left, just those who embrace authoritarianism geek tragedy Feb 2014 #163

Like I said, not very fond of the Left, and you provide more of the same old 'commie' sabrina 1 Feb 2014 #167

Sabrina Aerows Feb 2014 #255

When our nation's leaders murder, it doesn't seem so bad. Vattel Feb 2014 #118

Have you read Vultures' Picnic by Greg Palast. It lays out some of the interesting details JDPriestly Feb 2014 #173

I was going to quote the same. It's certainly quote worthy. Enthusiast Feb 2014 #22

+1 jsr Feb 2014 #33

+1 a whole bunch! Enthusiast Feb 2014 #23

then name names. if you have identified government agents posting at DU geek tragedy Feb 2014 #34

If the poster were to name name's..... go west young man Feb 2014 #54

if they named my name, I'd have a good chuckle at their stupidity nt geek tragedy Feb 2014 #62

Then don't invite naming names. JDPriestly Feb 2014 #174

As much as it bothers me to say it Aerows Feb 2014 #259

I've seen it. JDPriestly Feb 2014 #261

Not the first time, Skinner admitted to this during the transition from DU2 to DU3 mrdmk Feb 2014 #287

Go straight to the admins ... tell them who's on your "list". JoePhilly Feb 2014 #109

"Call outs" used to be against the rules on DU BuelahWitch Feb 2014 #61

so observing DU rules is secondary to resisting efforts by the security state to spy on us? nt geek tragedy Feb 2014 #63

This website is privately owned BuelahWitch Feb 2014 #65

So you'd rather "stay here" than fight the security state deploying govt agents to post on DU? Cali_Democrat Feb 2014 #76

They don't need government agents on the internet. All they need are willing participants sabrina 1 Feb 2014 #67

Greenwald's personality is really besides the point. geek tragedy Feb 2014 #69

Of course, that is the reason why we need journalists like Greenwald and sabrina 1 Feb 2014 #72

some are agents, some are that agents "personas" questionseverything Feb 2014 #94

The thing about RWers is that they are never conscious enough to realize how transparent Zorra Feb 2014 #41

+1 & LOL. Egalitarian Thug Feb 2014 #46

So you maintain a "list", right? JoePhilly Feb 2014 #110

Who needs any list? I go by the talking points, not the messengers. sabrina 1 Feb 2014 #134

Upton Sinclair 1935 bobduca Feb 2014 #145

Lol, I like that quote ... sabrina 1 Feb 2014 #147

B,but he's a NARCISSIST!!!!!! nt Bonobo Feb 2014 #119

And they also train people to do it for them zeemike Feb 2014 #6

Busted, but no repercussions; like O'keefe and the Acorn fiasco... dougolat Feb 2014 #11

Oh, yeah. It was highly effective. Enthusiast Feb 2014 #25

Effective.... only because the Democratic Party Leadership... bvar22 Feb 2014 #95

Exactly. Enthusiast Feb 2014 #96

Astute post. Really interesting. Thanks. JDPriestly Feb 2014 #175

Well there are a few obvious ones Tumbulu Feb 2014 #7

freedom of the press is a benefit conferred to those who own a press bobduca Feb 2014 #20

That's what is setting off the NSA's efforts to do surveillance and propagandize. JDPriestly Feb 2014 #176

If it's so obvious, then you should have no trouble outing these government agents nt geek tragedy Feb 2014 #37

only a matter of time reddread Feb 2014 #38

It is really not a good idea Aerows Feb 2014 #260

well, well, well. nt grasswire Feb 2014 #8

thank you again, Edward Snowden. nt grasswire Feb 2014 #10

keep this pinned to the top of page 1 reddread Feb 2014 #12

It is coming out, but watch out for the 'explainers' who should be along anytime now. sabrina 1 Feb 2014 #14

We see the results of their work here every day, and it's quite obvious. Marr Feb 2014 #15

put the swooners on Ignore Skittles Feb 2014 #18

better read the comments section. nt grasswire Feb 2014 #17

+1000000000 woo me with science Feb 2014 #26

Yes...interesting read and some nice refresher links from commenters... KoKo Feb 2014 #60

K&R. Of Course we would "never" have them here... Katashi_itto Feb 2014 #24

Yeah, totally ridiculous Puzzledtraveller Feb 2014 #28

DDDD – Deny, Disrupt, Degrade, Deceive Octafish Feb 2014 #27

someone on the comments section.. grasswire Feb 2014 #100

No one's going to get the "Dude" anymore. JackRiddler Feb 2014 #102

Expert professional opinions always have the best facts to guide us jsr Feb 2014 #29

K&R Coyotl Feb 2014 #31

The more you go through it, the uglier it is. nt woo me with science Feb 2014 #32

K&R deutsey Feb 2014 #36

But,but,but....Greenwald and Snowden are jerks, therefoe this doesn't matter Armstead Feb 2014 #39

So you think groups like Anonymous should be free to attack the Internet whenever they wish. randome Feb 2014 #40

Who is a legitmate target of such tactics? rusty fender Feb 2014 #43

That is an excellent question. About time someone asked it. randome Feb 2014 #44

No, nor do I think the giovernment should be able to either Armstead Feb 2014 #49

according to the original leaks questionseverything Feb 2014 #93

up up and away reddread Feb 2014 #45

Kick. /nt Marr Feb 2014 #47

Not quite seeing where the "illegal" part is in all of this... Blue_Tires Feb 2014 #48

Isn't that bad enough? Armstead Feb 2014 #50

So are we ato assume that the gov't the the big bad dog in this Sheepshank Feb 2014 #53

typical false equivalence bobduca Feb 2014 #150

of course I'm stating the possibility exists....did you not read it properly? Sheepshank Feb 2014 #194

Koch, Fox and Beck maybe. But Greenwald? You way overestimate or underestimate him. JDPriestly Feb 2014 #178

THERE IS ALWAYS people out there willing to volunteer for their precious cause Sheepshank Feb 2014 #197

Yes Greenwald has hired HBGary to infiltrate forums and post on his behalf bobduca Feb 2014 #201

Depending on how it is done and for what purpose, it could be fraud, defamation (in the case JDPriestly Feb 2014 #177

Gee, I wonder why they were keeping that secret? Thank you, Edward Snowden. Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2014 #51

k&r for exposure. n/t Laelth Feb 2014 #52

HUGE K & R !!! WillyT Feb 2014 #59

Project much, Glennie Glenn? We know that your "disciples" dominate the web. Tarheel_Dem Feb 2014 #68

Too funny. Discredit everyone who criticizes Greenwald. ProSense Feb 2014 #71

Are you saying these documents are fake, and the government isn't actually doing this? /nt Marr Feb 2014 #78

No, ProSense Feb 2014 #80

To borrow a phrase... Marr Feb 2014 #81

LOL! ProSense Feb 2014 #83

Do you think that any of the people posting on DU get paid to do it? JDPriestly Feb 2014 #190

Indeed. I am saying that the U.S. government (including the NSA) isn't actually doing this. ConservativeDemocrat Feb 2014 #140

So... Greenwald just made those documents up? Marr Feb 2014 #143

You actualy will *acknowledge* a fact? ConservativeDemocrat Feb 2014 #154

Look, if this kind of diversionary dissembling is all you're going to offer... Marr Feb 2014 #158

The problem with taking any side for or against Anonymous is that the moniker JDPriestly Feb 2014 #179

And this is a quite excellent post that truly explains Greenwald. This is merely a ramp up to the msanthrope Feb 2014 #209

I keep wondering when the world will figure out that GG is Alex Jones with a better hair stylist. Tarheel_Dem Feb 2014 #86

smear by association :fail bobduca Feb 2014 #149

Right back atcha, big boy. Tarheel_Dem Feb 2014 #196

I made no such attempt to associate Greenwald with a screaming picture of Alex Jones. You did that. bobduca Feb 2014 #202

Fuck Glenn Greenwald & Alex Jones, brothers from another Mother. Tarheel_Dem Feb 2014 #230

repeat the lie, repeat the lie, repeat the lie! bobduca Feb 2014 #231

Ooohhh. Looks like a touched a nerve with one or both of your heroes? Tarheel_Dem Feb 2014 #236

Here's a clue. bobduca Feb 2014 #240

!!! Tarheel_Dem Feb 2014 #249

Lol, right on cue. Am I psychic or what? I love it when I make predictions and they arrive, right sabrina 1 Feb 2014 #244

Quick! Tell us how many US households watch the Kremlin sponsored Russia Today? Tarheel_Dem Feb 2014 #246

So what do you think of the US Government spying on every single American? sabrina 1 Feb 2014 #251

I thought not! Don't ever change sabrina. You are nothing, if not 100% consistent. Tarheel_Dem Feb 2014 #257

I haven't changed. Remember when Dems were OUTRAGED over Bush spying on the American people?? sabrina 1 Feb 2014 #262

Until you can back this up, I'll refrain from taking your interrogation seriously. Tarheel_Dem Feb 2014 #263

Spying on the American People is a crime. Which is why Dems were so outraged sabrina 1 Feb 2014 #264

And "consistently" wrong! Tarheel_Dem Feb 2014 #265

Then you agree NOW with the Government spying on the American people. sabrina 1 Feb 2014 #266

If I say okay, YOU WIN, will that make you go away? Tarheel_Dem Feb 2014 #267

They are alllll up in this thread, aren't they? As usual Number23 Feb 2014 #268

You can't make this shit up! Tarheel_Dem Feb 2014 #270

It's unfortunate that people such as myself who know very little about these topics LanternWaste Feb 2014 #276

Rationalize to who? You? My, my someone's feeling mighty self important today. Talk about "Waste". Tarheel_Dem Feb 2014 #277

Careful, you're going to end up on some one's "list" of JoePhilly Feb 2014 #111

or put on ignore reddread Feb 2014 #112

When they ignore you ... you win. JoePhilly Feb 2014 #127

I don't have anyone on ignore. I am here to exchange information, ideas and points of view, JDPriestly Feb 2014 #180

The fact that the same paranoid clueless crowd lap up these types of threads is proof they wouldn't Number23 Feb 2014 #121

Are you saying you think the documents Greenwald cited are fakes? Marr Feb 2014 #122

I will say the same thing to you that I say every single time you respond to me despite REPEATED Number23 Feb 2014 #123

In other words, you haven't got an answer. Marr Feb 2014 #125

You have been asked REPEATEDLY to leave me alone. You refuse for reasons only you understand Number23 Feb 2014 #126

I will respond to anyone I choose. Marr Feb 2014 #128

You could ask me what the time was and my answer would still be the same Number23 Feb 2014 #136

Again, thank you for your non-answer on the subject of the authenticity of Greenwald's Marr Feb 2014 #137

Spin it as desperately and stupidly as you'd like Number23 Feb 2014 #138

Here's a thought-- don't respond. Marr Feb 2014 #142

Yet ANOTHER request to you to Leave Me Alone. Yet ANOTHER jury verdict that did not go your way Number23 Feb 2014 #155

Are you accusing me of alerting on you? Marr Feb 2014 #156

I am not trying to get you banned. I don't give a damn about anything that you say Number23 Feb 2014 #157

Actually, at this point I'm just wondering if you're constitutionally capable Marr Feb 2014 #159

The only thing "disingenuous" is you trying to pretend that you have anything intelligent to say Number23 Feb 2014 #161

More paranoid accusations. Marr Feb 2014 #164

So "boring" that you WILL NOT leave me the hell alone Number23 Feb 2014 #269

Wow. Not rude and insulting in the least. cui bono Mar 2014 #294

Wow. Not needless, a week late and remarkably pitiful in the least either. Number23 Mar 2014 #295

Just pointing out your hypocrisy. cui bono Mar 2014 #296

Your own hypocricy (not to mention obvious boredom) should be more than enough to keep you Number23 Mar 2014 #297

Your post #15 is pretty clear. JoePhilly Feb 2014 #129

Did I say that? Marr Feb 2014 #131

See, that's how I see some of the disgruntled left OPs here. JoePhilly Feb 2014 #132

It's a reasonable thing to wonder. Marr Feb 2014 #133

The other one is not just idle speculation. The article on another link above JDPriestly Feb 2014 #182

This is the Democratic Underground. It is for opinions of different kinds. We can't learn JDPriestly Feb 2014 #181

They are so fuckin' pathetic, I can't help but scoff at 'em. They don't even know they're being.... Tarheel_Dem Feb 2014 #195

Exactly, Tarheel Bobbie Jo Feb 2014 #223

I have my own definition, but the "Paulites" are here, and they boast about "stoking it up". Tarheel_Dem Feb 2014 #232

+1. The irony is a bit much, IMO. nt ecstatic Feb 2014 #215

He needs a reason for the negative reviews---his book is out on the 25th of March. nt msanthrope Feb 2014 #226

Ask Sibel Edmonds about his loony ass followers. They are the "lunatic fringe". n/t Tarheel_Dem Feb 2014 #238

Sibel got the best of Greenwald. So did Sarah Harrison. msanthrope Feb 2014 #242

Kudos to Sibel Edmonds. She is persistent, and she's not letting up. "Checkbook Journalism".... Tarheel_Dem Feb 2014 #245

Omidyar is going to co-opt Greenwald. Bet on it. nt msanthrope Feb 2014 #271

This post deserves Greatest post status... go west young man Feb 2014 #70

it is THE story of THIS DECADE reddread Feb 2014 #85

Deserves Greatest Page...and lots of daylight... bvar22 Feb 2014 #101

+10000000 woo me with science Feb 2014 #205

So far as reputation, I do not respect big money. hunter Feb 2014 #73

I love your story about your mom! Good for her. She spoke what she felt was right. JDPriestly Feb 2014 #183

again, I urge reading the comments section after that article. grasswire Feb 2014 #74

I Did... it Was a Real Eye-Opener! fascisthunter Feb 2014 #90

Greenwald. LOL...nt SidDithers Feb 2014 #77

SidDithers. LOL... nt hootinholler Feb 2014 #98

Love it! Puglover Feb 2014 #286

Keep quacking.... grasswire Feb 2014 #99

Der Spiegel covering this story. go west young man Feb 2014 #82

After reading the complete article, it occurs to me that all MineralMan Feb 2014 #84

I think that's the point. Not all are so well read as You and I and others who KoKo Feb 2014 #135

It is incompatible with democracy to have the government doing it. JDPriestly Feb 2014 #184

Well, Well, Well... most kinda Knew Something Was Up! fascisthunter Feb 2014 #89

woo me with science.... said the same thing, but so much better: bvar22 Feb 2014 #91

It is surprising to me, sadoldgirl Feb 2014 #97

Yes. As it became evident that the OWS might be shut down perhaps with police brutality, JDPriestly Feb 2014 #185

recommend frwrfpos Feb 2014 #108

this explains the outbreak of snowden lynchings. Warren Stupidity Feb 2014 #113

But we don't have any of those here. pa28 Feb 2014 #114

How would one identify a paid poster? Cali_Democrat Feb 2014 #120

That would be difficult. pa28 Feb 2014 #124

Eventually, other DUers would catch on to them. JDPriestly Feb 2014 #187

"Eventually, other DUers would catch on to them" Cali_Democrat Feb 2014 #216

You seem upset about the wrong thing LondonReign2 Feb 2014 #239

I seem upset? Cali_Democrat Feb 2014 #243

There's this LondonReign2 Feb 2014 #247

I wasn't upset at all Cali_Democrat Feb 2014 #252

Goes back to my original point LondonReign2 Feb 2014 #253

Very telling... Cali_Democrat Feb 2014 #256

We agree LondonReign2 Feb 2014 #258

An individual violating the law is an unconscionable travesty. Maedhros Feb 2014 #279

I agree. JDPriestly Feb 2014 #186

What a shock! Who knew? Zorra Feb 2014 #115

Fuck our government Vattel Feb 2014 #117

Fuck poor readers... ConservativeDemocrat Feb 2014 #141

Rec,d, those propagandists are right here in this thread too Corruption Inc Feb 2014 #130

Exactly. The ones I suspect of being paid posters don't respond to questions about why JDPriestly Feb 2014 #188

In DC it's called "bipartisanship." blkmusclmachine Feb 2014 #139

K&R DeSwiss Feb 2014 #144

K&RRRR Little_Wing Feb 2014 #146

They're not that covert to me. They're not hard to spot if they're talking, like here on DU. nt ChisolmTrailDem Feb 2014 #148

Blue links n/t Pastiche423 Feb 2014 #151

Woops! No names please. JDPriestly Feb 2014 #189

"YOU MAKE NO SENSE". sibelian Feb 2014 #191

I think a significant chunk of my IGNORE list has just been explained..... mike_c Feb 2014 #152

K&R bobduca Feb 2014 #165

Why does this surprise anyone? davekriss Feb 2014 #168

it doesnt reddread Feb 2014 #193

They are certainly flailing. woo me with science Feb 2014 #208

6. Accusing Greenwald of hiring astroturfers / HBGary to "character asassinate" his critics. bobduca Feb 2014 #234

Bwah! woo me with science Mar 2014 #310

Pretty limited repertoire. What a crappy singing school. jsr Feb 2014 #241

K&R woo me with science Feb 2014 #192

At least he is finally admitting whi he is! whistler162 Feb 2014 #199

I'm not following you. Maedhros Feb 2014 #280

This same thing is posted on DU every 8-12 months. nt stevenleser Feb 2014 #200

link reddread Feb 2014 #203

Here's proof. And you understand the difference between predicting and disproving something, right? stevenleser Feb 2014 #204

so is it ct or is it old news? questionseverything Feb 2014 #206

Both. As I proved, the suggestion keeps getting posted here, and the idea is ridiculous. stevenleser Feb 2014 #210

what provocateurs? reddread Feb 2014 #224

please be exact questionseverything Feb 2014 #227

staking it all right through the heart of the matter reddread Feb 2014 #211

Yep, like anti-vax it's old AND it's ct. stevenleser Feb 2014 #221

predictable reddread Feb 2014 #207

It's either been posted before or it hasn't. It's predictability is irrelevant. nt stevenleser Feb 2014 #219

Wait a minute. So before there was documentary evidence, it was paranoia, and now that there IS Marr Feb 2014 #272

perceptive n/t reddread Feb 2014 #273

Gotta love the dismissal of the evidence in the defense of neverforget Feb 2014 #285

There are all kinds TBF Feb 2014 #214

When something is asserted to be new or special or unique? Yes. nt stevenleser Feb 2014 #220

Where is the commentary making those assertions? TBF Feb 2014 #228

Right there. In Steve's comments. Romulox Feb 2014 #233

Proving what, exactly? Romulox Feb 2014 #217

Damage control. nt Zorra Feb 2014 #248

Pssst.....Glenn's book is out March 25th. He's trying to innoculate himself from criticism. nt msanthrope Feb 2014 #212

Sort of like the attempts to destroy Pres. Obama's reputation? ecstatic Feb 2014 #213

Shhhh, only posts in favor of Obama can be bad. Didn't you get the memo? stevenleser Feb 2014 #222

Never! True, our gov't secretly kills US citizens with drones. But disrupt the internet? Never! nt Romulox Feb 2014 #218

there is a big difference between stopping lies, vs. spreading false information JPZenger Feb 2014 #235

WMD's n/t reddread Feb 2014 #237

kick woo me with science Feb 2014 #274

another........! KoKo Feb 2014 #275

Important. woo me with science Mar 2014 #288

I have here in my hand a LIST! nt Bobbie Jo Mar 2014 #289

Kick for a reminder of the propaganda in our midst. woo me with science Mar 2014 #290

warmongering, overthrowing, assassinating machinery reddread Mar 2014 #291

Thank you. woo me with science Mar 2014 #293

This slide from the GG piece is exemplified by the tactics/behavior of the likely parties. hedda_foil Mar 2014 #298

kick woo me with science Mar 2014 #299

up up and away reddread Mar 2014 #300

Kicking for paranoia-fueled hilariy Pretzel_Warrior Mar 2014 #301

ever been spied upon? reddread Mar 2014 #302

kicking for scaredy cats reddread Mar 2014 #306

There's a word for this: psyops TroglodyteScholar Mar 2014 #303

except in CNN reddread Mar 2014 #304

You can spot them by their shared emoticon Capt. Obvious Mar 2014 #305

kick woo me with science Mar 2014 #307

Recommend! KoKo Mar 2014 #308

kick woo me with science Mar 2014 #309