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In reply to the discussion: George Zimmerman: God Is The 'Only Judge That I Have To Answer To' [View all]Vattel
(9,289 posts)but I appreciate your efforts in laying out your case. On the key point of who threw the first punch, your argument is very weak. In #11 you ask "Whether it is probable for someone planning a sneak ambush on somebody to remain audible on a phone up to the point of actual ambush?" Zimmerman never said that Martin jumped him in a sneak ambush. He said that Martin spoke to him before he punched him. So obviously Zimmerman wasn't saying that there was an ambush in the usual sense of the word--just an unannounced punch after an exchange of hostile words. Given the eyewitness testimony and the grass on Zimmerman's back and Zimmerman's injuries and the lack of injuries on Martin, that is not improbable at all. My guess would be that Martin threw the first punch, but I really don't know and you shouldn't pretend to know either. Zimmerman doesn't know why Martin returned--no one knows that--but he did. So the issue of how probable it is that someone would double back after fleeing is pretty irrelevant. Maybe he double backed because he forgot something at the store. Maybe he wanted to prove to jaentel that he was a tough guy. maybe he got lost and was looking for his house. Who knows? We only know that he ended up close to where he had begun. And if he had been so scared, why had he approached Zimmerman's vehicle earlier? As for talking on the phone up to the point of confronting Zimmerman, why in this day and age does that seem so strange to you? You talk a lot about Zimmerman's state of mind prior to the attack, but one could say similar things about Martin's. Zimmerman referred to Martin as an asshole, but Martin apparently referred to Zimmerman as a creepy-ass cracker. Neither seemed to have much good will towards each other. (Note that I am not saying that Martin was not justified in having ill-will towards the creepy guy following him.)