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244. OK I'll bite

Wed Feb 26, 2014, 11:01 AM

Feb 2014

So if you can tell me what BDSM porn is, in clinical terms (no need to be graphic--using polite code)--I'm listening. You are right that my info is from external sources. Which is how most people get most of their information about any subject you want to name.

So how is BDSM porn not the same subjugation of women that the Fundies preach? How is it justifiable, except in some futuristic libertarian Idiocracy universe where we all enjoy images showing abuse of women. Because this is not about mutual trust--all real trust exercises have the feature of taking turns. This is not what happens in the bulk of BDSM films as I understand it. It's men humiliating women. And that always is about more than merely sex.

Enlighten me. Maybe you'll enlighten others too. How do you justify it?

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I'm The Duke University Freshman Porn Star And For The First Time I'm Telling The Story In My Words [View all] Mosby Feb 2014 OP

o.k., I get it...She needs money for school so she decided to Blue_Tires Feb 2014 #1

I think there's a good conversation regarding the topic of freedom of choice to be had here. n/t lumberjack_jeff Feb 2014 #2

Like I said in the other thread, if this is what she wants to do Blue_Tires Feb 2014 #4

yup her choice. loli phabay Feb 2014 #6

I think this is getting so much Lonusca Feb 2014 #17

I don't get that either Blue_Tires Feb 2014 #29

And that list Lonusca Feb 2014 #140

Wasn't there a recent debt-free Duke grad who got by... Eleanors38 Feb 2014 #278

I believe there was Lonusca Feb 2014 #360

I think it would have the same response. In fact, something like that happened Sarah Ibarruri Feb 2014 #36

Think about the numbers though Lonusca Feb 2014 #139

Almost none, you're absolutely right. Most people don't do those things Sarah Ibarruri Feb 2014 #151

I see nothing wrong with it and I will tell you why…. yeoman6987 Feb 2014 #105

Right. But is she is so proud of this, why does she want to respect her privacy? question everything Feb 2014 #258

Considering that society is so judgmental this is a survival tactic. alp227 Feb 2014 #287

doing porn on digital media ensures not keeping their "sides" under wraps, I think. KittyWampus Feb 2014 #329

Saftey. There's a host of crazy people who would happily hunt down jeff47 Feb 2014 #377

Why do you think that is having it "both ways"? cui bono Feb 2014 #396

What's interesting is that no one questions how the rightwing frat boys who outed and harrass her... villager Feb 2014 #3

Good point. Mosby Feb 2014 #7

I don't think that's being conflicted. We're all aware of how society as a whole looks at porn. cui bono Feb 2014 #378

I looked yesterday when a version of this story was posted here RBStevens Feb 2014 #16

Thank you get the red out Feb 2014 #227

People love to find ways to ruin other people's lives. alp227 Feb 2014 #291

Puritanism get the red out Feb 2014 #293

Thankfully, we are a much more enlightened group here. OilemFirchen Feb 2014 #321

interesting, I've never heard it phrased like this before- snooper2 Feb 2014 #5

Wait, isn't porn The2ndWheel Feb 2014 #9

It's the invisible hand that lubricates the marketplace jberryhill Feb 2014 #28

My pre-dinner martini went through my nose. Damn you! nt msanthrope Feb 2014 #86

That was magical! nt MrScorpio Feb 2014 #204

There are no more DUzy's, anymore Warren DeMontague Feb 2014 #347

I agree with her that patriarchy fears female sexuality rocktivity Feb 2014 #11

This is very true, but it seems like so many don't understand that. Squinch Feb 2014 #68

Actually, monogamy and prostitution are seen as the ultimate forms RainDog Feb 2014 #110

It seems that she doesn't agree that it's the ultimate form or patriarchy mythology Feb 2014 #137

There's no singular "porn" anymore, at least in the classic sense Blue_Adept Feb 2014 #138

It's a basic misunderstanding of the idea of patriarchy RainDog Feb 2014 #145

This is a very interesting perspective. Fantastic Anarchist Feb 2014 #249

It's basic to (marxist) feminism RainDog Feb 2014 #276

your definition of marriage is very euro-centric. I speak as someone who studied KittyWampus Feb 2014 #332

yeah, I thought my later descriptions could be seen that way RainDog Feb 2014 #339

I see porn as an inherent form of patriarchy rocktivity Feb 2014 #147

Absolutely. n/t whathehell Feb 2014 #286

Then how do we classify gay/lesbian porn? RandySF Feb 2014 #199

An argument might be made... lumberjack_jeff Feb 2014 #161

$60K/yr is the real obscenity BeyondGeography Feb 2014 #8

+1 Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2014 #32

How many people can get in to Duke... FBaggins Feb 2014 #97

My first thought as well...heaven forbid she goes to a state school BeyondGeography Feb 2014 #142

This is very well stated Lonusca Feb 2014 #146

+1 Especially since North Carolina is home Moses2SandyKoufax Feb 2014 #388

+100 CFLDem Feb 2014 #207

"On the contrary, doing pornography fulfills me." Sarah Ibarruri Feb 2014 #10

LOL snooper2 Feb 2014 #12

Way out of line. What puts you in a position to judge this woman's mental health status? MadrasT Feb 2014 #14

Now that I read more aboiut her she does seem a little off, but maybe it's just because she's a kid Mosby Feb 2014 #18

Interesting. nt Sarah Ibarruri Feb 2014 #56

I didn't see any scars Packerowner740 Feb 2014 #75

Why do you believe these scars are the result of her being a cutter? TorchTheWitch Feb 2014 #201

Couple reasons Mosby Feb 2014 #290

looks more like bad road rash to me TorchTheWitch Feb 2014 #300

I edited that post yesterday Mosby Feb 2014 #326

So? TorchTheWitch Feb 2014 #440

I do think Dorian Gray Feb 2014 #430

She considers herself “Republican, but I identify more as a libertarian”? alp227 Feb 2014 #447

Seriously.. props when they're due. opiate69 Feb 2014 #23

+1 one_voice Feb 2014 #84

Sorry, but numerous studies show most sex workers were sexually abused as kids.. whathehell Feb 2014 #122

You can't make a judgement about an individual MadrasT Feb 2014 #202

Riiight...So studies are worthless because no one can always "know" the individual? whathehell Feb 2014 #277

No, the studies tell you about the overall group, not one individual. jeff47 Feb 2014 #382

Of course, but the problem is, no one here, to my knowledge, KNOWS this individual, so whathehell Feb 2014 #419

Because we don't know this individual. jeff47 Feb 2014 #421

I'm sorry, but I see no reason why one can't.. whathehell Feb 2014 #422

Based on your post Ticktock Feb 2014 #19

I see that you just joined DU. nt Sarah Ibarruri Feb 2014 #34

I see that that is clearly of no consequence. sibelian Feb 2014 #55

Oh really. lol nt Sarah Ibarruri Feb 2014 #57

As accurate as yours above. n/t Comrade Grumpy Feb 2014 #64

Sibel Edmonds is a grifter Vinnie From Indy Feb 2014 #91

Post removed Post removed Feb 2014 #212

Welcome to DU ~ Ticktock In_The_Wind Feb 2014 #214

If we took this to be the healthy norm marions ghost Feb 2014 #21

I'm not sure it's fair to say she's mentally disturbed simply because she decided to Sheldon Cooper Feb 2014 #22

That's a strange, strange judgment to make. MineralMan Feb 2014 #24

They sure do - I live in a college town. They work in restaurants, at the library... Sarah Ibarruri Feb 2014 #33

And some work in the sex industry, too. MineralMan Feb 2014 #35

If one is a famous porn star (as this one) one is likely to be found out Sarah Ibarruri Feb 2014 #41

What I think is that you may well not be competent to judge MineralMan Feb 2014 #42

What I think is that you have not researched the topic. nt Sarah Ibarruri Feb 2014 #48

Thank you. I agree with you, and I just love hearing from all these men getting huffy about whathehell Feb 2014 #70

Thanks! I think the problem is that too many U.S. men are obsessed by porn... Sarah Ibarruri Feb 2014 #99

My S.O. and I love watching porn together. OilemFirchen Feb 2014 #133

One third of porn users are women. joeglow3 Feb 2014 #183

You are quite welcome. Of course, it's about male "prerogatives", and their hostility whathehell Feb 2014 #280

Seriously? ProudToBeBlueInRhody Feb 2014 #118

Yes, seriously.. whathehell Feb 2014 #120

What does that have to do with this woman as an individual? ProudToBeBlueInRhody Feb 2014 #124

I don't know her as an "individual" and neither do you, so maybe read the research whathehell Feb 2014 #127

So by that logic, we shall never see you hold out an individual's story as proof of anything.... ProudToBeBlueInRhody Feb 2014 #188

So by your logic, all Studies are FALSE, because one can't "know" every individual in them, LOL? whathehell Feb 2014 #269

Hmmm....maybe I should start slow for you.... ProudToBeBlueInRhody Feb 2014 #271

Hmmm...Maybe I should refer you to a remedial education class.. whathehell Feb 2014 #274

OMG...I've just been kicked out of the Whiney White Guy, um, "Men's Group". LOL whathehell Feb 2014 #285

You're citing Dr. Drew? Ask him about all those dead celebrities he rehabilitated. Comrade Grumpy Feb 2014 #66

While Dorian Gray Feb 2014 #431

Really? Blue_Adept Feb 2014 #27

Someone that enjoys public sexual degradation is in need of psychological treatment nt Sarah Ibarruri Feb 2014 #31

I have to agree this is degrading marions ghost Feb 2014 #38

I agree. It's like the Roman Coliseums. Yay! Someone is degrading herself publicly! MORE! MORE! Sarah Ibarruri Feb 2014 #50

She doesn't appear to view it as public degradation though penultimate Feb 2014 #39

It has an effect on the brain, doing porn, prostitution, etc. Sarah Ibarruri Feb 2014 #44

So you believe that anyone who has sex in front of a camera is harming themselves? penultimate Feb 2014 #60

So we have you in one corner saying engaging porn causes "an effect on the brain" sibelian Feb 2014 #62

You have yet to provide a thought of value to this conversation, yet you question... Sarah Ibarruri Feb 2014 #159

Do you have any sources to back up the claim about the effect it has on the brain? opiate69 Feb 2014 #126

Saying otherwise would hardly fit her meme.. whathehell Feb 2014 #98

This is equivalent to saying, "the homeless like being homeless," or, "drug addicts enjoy being drug Sarah Ibarruri Feb 2014 #156

I don't see how they are equivalent at all... penultimate Feb 2014 #181

You make some interesting points... Whiskeytide Feb 2014 #235

You're right. Exceptions prove the rule, however. Let me give you an example using cancer Sarah Ibarruri Feb 2014 #246

*She* said she likes doing porn. lumberjack_jeff Feb 2014 #289

Oh I'm sure she's going to say she hates it tremendously and that's why she does it nt Sarah Ibarruri Feb 2014 #297

She took the time to proactively state her point of view. Warren DeMontague Feb 2014 #372

So your primary evidence that she hates porn is the fact that she says she doesn't. lumberjack_jeff Feb 2014 #383

Called an exhibition fetish. Kurska Feb 2014 #135

You clearly know nothing about this, but that doesn't seem to stop you from commenting Sarah Ibarruri Feb 2014 #154

How very 19th Century patriarchy of you LadyHawkAZ Feb 2014 #43

For someone who posts in the Sexual Assault Survivors groups, you certainly Sarah Ibarruri Feb 2014 #47

What does sexual assault have to do with porn? nt LittleBlue Feb 2014 #53

Plenty. Workers in the sex industry tend to have been sexually abused. Google it. nt Sarah Ibarruri Feb 2014 #58

But she just gave an interview in which she LittleBlue Feb 2014 #61

"Google it" LadyHawkAZ Feb 2014 #74

Ah, I see LittleBlue Feb 2014 #76

Pretty much LadyHawkAZ Feb 2014 #87

Why do you assume all survivors are anti-sex? LadyHawkAZ Feb 2014 #72

You surprise me. I thought survivors were anti-abuse and would not abuse themselves... Sarah Ibarruri Feb 2014 #100

...which, if true, totally blows your theory that sex workers are incompetent LadyHawkAZ Feb 2014 #108

No, it puts in doubt your presence as a positive force in such forums Sarah Ibarruri Feb 2014 #157

LOL whatever LadyHawkAZ Feb 2014 #165

May I recommend you review your posts and where you posted them. Goodbye. nt Sarah Ibarruri Feb 2014 #166

You may do whatever you want LadyHawkAZ Feb 2014 #193

So people who were sexually abused liberalhistorian Feb 2014 #251

Children who were sexually abused, and go on to degrade themselves Sarah Ibarruri Feb 2014 #257

Huh? Your response made absolutely no sense whatsoever. I believe you were responding to the wrong Sarah Ibarruri Feb 2014 #233

Sadly, cinnabonbon Feb 2014 #197

You're right. I had read that abused people are too often found in abusive situations... Sarah Ibarruri Feb 2014 #230

Yes. It makes a certain kind of sense, but is tragic even so. closeupready Feb 2014 #309

so when is the last time you enjoyed some porn? snooper2 Feb 2014 #225

I don't. If I want sex, I have it with a human, not a DVD. Sarah Ibarruri Feb 2014 #229

What if someone is single and isn't into casual sex? ecstatic Feb 2014 #264

Abstinence only. Blue_Adept Feb 2014 #265

Are DVDs of "somebody doing it" necessary? LOL! Just askin' ... nt Sarah Ibarruri Feb 2014 #266

I don't think people do the DVD thing anymore. I could be wrong. ecstatic Feb 2014 #296

You're right. They simply get online daily to view it. nt Sarah Ibarruri Feb 2014 #299

They can always masturbate... whathehell Feb 2014 #362

Oh... so people can masturbate as long as no porn is involved? ecstatic Feb 2014 #376

Actually, as far as what you just wrote, I agree with you. NaturalHigh Feb 2014 #279

you ever get accused of having a superiority complex? snooper2 Feb 2014 #308

I hope not. lol I just get angry when I see people humiliating his/her self, and others applauding Sarah Ibarruri Feb 2014 #311

"how is porn, sex? Porn is an abuse of women, period, end of story." alp227 Feb 2014 #314

Porn is definitely sex-for-pay, as is prostitution. As for "sex-POSITIVE" feminists.... Sarah Ibarruri Feb 2014 #327

OK, so simple question. Do you believe casual sex is moral or not? alp227 Feb 2014 #343

I believe sex is part of our joy in life, but not for pay, and not as a method of Sarah Ibarruri Feb 2014 #353

Thanks for the history lesson..Those supposedly "sex positive" feminists were Libertarians/RWingers. whathehell Feb 2014 #366

Yes, there are mentally disturbed people everywhere. Comrade Grumpy Feb 2014 #63

Serious face palm... one_voice Feb 2014 #82

Could you point to the phil89 Feb 2014 #101

I posted some Sarah Ibarruri Feb 2014 #103

I'm pointing to it.. whathehell Feb 2014 #119

It is obvious this person has serious issues cthulu2016 Feb 2014 #104

Thank you.....n/t whathehell Feb 2014 #365

Here's a mentally disturbed person... OilemFirchen Feb 2014 #109

Christine O'Donnel "looks like a porn star"? whathehell Feb 2014 #128

Everyone looks like a porn star. Blue_Adept Feb 2014 #129

Oh...okay...whatever.. whathehell Feb 2014 #136

...and a jury kept this 1-5? alp227 Feb 2014 #318

Slut shaming Kurska Feb 2014 #132

Oh, "slut" is SUCH a lovely word! You are quite a piece of work, aren't you? nt Sarah Ibarruri Feb 2014 #149

You can't be serious Kurska Feb 2014 #153

Our "conversation" has been terminated. I think I've learned sufficiently Sarah Ibarruri Feb 2014 #155

Okay farewell Kurska Feb 2014 #160

I get it now, you are just trolling everybody here snooper2 Feb 2014 #226

It's still an ugly word, and while I champion their cause, I think the name is misguided whathehell Feb 2014 #288

"It implies that yes, some women ARE sluts" I disagree Kurska Feb 2014 #312

Fine, but I think you're wrong.. whathehell Feb 2014 #361

You obviously have no understanding liberalhistorian Feb 2014 #253

The term, "slut" should not be used, and yes, I'm familiar with it. nt Sarah Ibarruri Feb 2014 #256

. lumberjack_jeff Feb 2014 #141

My ID, Sarah Ibarruri? It's a lovely name. nt Sarah Ibarruri Feb 2014 #150

Conjuring up fictional mental illness is a bullshit, intellectually lazy argument. Gravitycollapse Feb 2014 #162

I'd wager (and win) that the most ardent applauders of porn stars, are habitual porn users Sarah Ibarruri Feb 2014 #164

There is a distinct difference between saying pornography is wrong... Gravitycollapse Feb 2014 #167

No, I disagree completely with you, on every count. Sarah Ibarruri Feb 2014 #168

Popular pornography is an extremely destructive force. Gravitycollapse Feb 2014 #169

The sexually abused are overrepresented among the workers in the sex industries, from porn, to Sarah Ibarruri Feb 2014 #170

Again, saying it's not normal or healthy is NOT the same as saying it is a sign of mental illness. Gravitycollapse Feb 2014 #172

Then we'll agree to disagree, but we're disagreeing because you have an opinion which Sarah Ibarruri Feb 2014 #173

You're so factually incorrect it's making everyone in this thread dizzy. Gravitycollapse Feb 2014 #174

Suit yourself. You're far far more informed than scientists, psychologists, and just Sarah Ibarruri Feb 2014 #175

Show me one peer reviewed study stating that consuming porn makes one mentally ill. Gravitycollapse Feb 2014 #176

As I said before, do your own research. I'm not here to serve you and teach you Sarah Ibarruri Feb 2014 #177

I just laughed out loud. You have nothing. Support the claims you make. Gravitycollapse Feb 2014 #178

No, dear, not everyone, and please -- Where are all your supposed "facts" that would discredit hers? whathehell Feb 2014 #373

I don't have to discredit that which has been asserted without credit. Gravitycollapse Feb 2014 #379

Granted I have not been following this sub-thread closely but RBStevens Feb 2014 #386

The poster discusses porn "addiction" and the "serious issues" of porn consumers. Gravitycollapse Feb 2014 #387

Ah, then I will beg your pardon on that. RBStevens Feb 2014 #390

And running every day alters brain chemistry. Are daily runners now addicts too? Gravitycollapse Feb 2014 #394

Daily runners can indeed be a sort of addict RBStevens Feb 2014 #398

That isn't the definition of addiction. Gravitycollapse Feb 2014 #399

Being agitated or upset and/or having personal relationships suffer because RBStevens Feb 2014 #402

It is an indicator of many things, not just potential addiction. Gravitycollapse Feb 2014 #404

Ah, but the NEED to do something to FEEL well RBStevens Feb 2014 #405

You NEED a good night's sleep to FEEL well. That doesn't mean you're addicted to sleep. Gravitycollapse Feb 2014 #406

Since I try not to do the goal-post thing RBStevens Feb 2014 #408

Everyone needs some form of exercise to be healthy. Being totally stagnant can be life threatening. Gravitycollapse Feb 2014 #410

Said I didn't want to do it - RBStevens Feb 2014 #414

The poorly exercised are equivalent to the poorly slept. That was my point. Gravitycollapse Feb 2014 #415

I got your point. Thanks for the answer. RBStevens Feb 2014 #416

How many regular exercisers do you know? Warren DeMontague Feb 2014 #441

Habitually doing the same thing over and over again, even "expecting a different result" Warren DeMontague Feb 2014 #446

how do you get from "overrepresented" to claiming 100% (?) of adult entertainers are mentally ill? foo_bar Feb 2014 #182

And trying to change facts, because you happen to like porn, and wish to defend it tooth and Sarah Ibarruri Feb 2014 #237

I'm essentially the only potential ally you have on this subject. Gravitycollapse Feb 2014 #292

If you're an ally, good heavens, I'd hate to see what the enemy looks like... Sarah Ibarruri Feb 2014 #295

You still don't get it, do you? I agree with much of what you are saying... Gravitycollapse Feb 2014 #301

I think you have confused it. I said that daily obsession with porn is an addiction... Sarah Ibarruri Feb 2014 #305

You called her mentally disturbed. Do you not remember that? Gravitycollapse Feb 2014 #322

You're confusing yourself again. Let me post what you said: Sarah Ibarruri Feb 2014 #323

You called anyone who watches porn daily an addict... Gravitycollapse Feb 2014 #340

Yes. But you confused the two. Sarah Ibarruri Feb 2014 #341

No I did not. I said you called her mentally ill. Gravitycollapse Feb 2014 #345

Let's drop it immediately, because you were confused and are insisting you were not Sarah Ibarruri Feb 2014 #355

Then I'll have the last word. Your arguments are an embarrassment to feminist sex research. Gravitycollapse Feb 2014 #370

Sex research? Good heavens. nt Sarah Ibarruri Feb 2014 #417

Tell it to all the researchers who have studied the issue.. whathehell Feb 2014 #363

I know more about the research on the subject than probably anyone else in this thread. Gravitycollapse Feb 2014 #368

Sure, and we'll all just take you word on that, right?..Sorry, but anyone could make that statement whathehell Feb 2014 #418

Study: Religious people more likely to think they’re porn addicts opiate69 Feb 2014 #371

Wrong issue, bro..We're not talking about USING porn, we're talking about participating in it. whathehell Feb 2014 #420

How is your time after the Senate Mr. Frist? Capt. Obvious Feb 2014 #224

"[T]his person has serious issues"... NaturalHigh Feb 2014 #241

No. She has issues because the preponderance of sex workers are people with emotional and mental Sarah Ibarruri Feb 2014 #247

Your assumptions about people you don't know... NaturalHigh Feb 2014 #250

Then everything is an assumption, whenever studies are taken into account... Sarah Ibarruri Feb 2014 #263

WTF? A preponderance of Presidents are white. What color is our CURRENT President? hughee99 Feb 2014 #283

I'm curious as to why you think she's mentally disturbed ... Fantastic Anarchist Feb 2014 #254

Read my posts. nt Sarah Ibarruri Feb 2014 #255

I've read a few ... Fantastic Anarchist Feb 2014 #275

I looked for a few minutes, but as I'm busy I can't be googling all day. You can google as well. Sarah Ibarruri Feb 2014 #294

+1000, Sarah. closeupready Feb 2014 #260

Thanks! nt Sarah Ibarruri Feb 2014 #262

I've been flamed here previously for making the same argument. closeupready Feb 2014 #284

More than likely you were attacked by men who view Internet porn every day... Sarah Ibarruri Feb 2014 #298

Yes, and you know what else - it sickens me to think that closeupready Feb 2014 #304

Maybe! You have a valid point. My personal opinion is that men who view porn all the time Sarah Ibarruri Feb 2014 #306

11 replies down BBR Esq Feb 2014 #13

How is this news? BainsBane Feb 2014 #15

In the same sense that a study about holding doors open is news, I suppose. Comrade Grumpy Feb 2014 #67

Ah, but that was high comedy BainsBane Feb 2014 #69

Who was the first to call a man opening a door for a woman... NaturalHigh Feb 2014 #210

No one. BainsBane Feb 2014 #231

So you're saying it was Seabeyond who first mentioned it here... NaturalHigh Feb 2014 #234

Yes because they lied and said women here complained about men's opening doors BainsBane Feb 2014 #236

It's funny if you talk about the subject... NaturalHigh Feb 2014 #239

What's offensive is lying BainsBane Feb 2014 #240

Please point out the lies... NaturalHigh Feb 2014 #242

I already explained them to you BainsBane Feb 2014 #243

"Search under doors"... NaturalHigh Feb 2014 #248

Translation ProudToBeBlueInRhody Feb 2014 #114

Yeah, that is exactly what I said. BainsBane Feb 2014 #115

I haven't read the other thread ProudToBeBlueInRhody Feb 2014 #121

"As you suspected" BainsBane Feb 2014 #189

You're questioning my respect for this site? ProudToBeBlueInRhody Feb 2014 #192

No, you clearly missed the point BainsBane Feb 2014 #196

Your first reply to me ever on this site was among the most hostile I've ever received ProudToBeBlueInRhody Feb 2014 #267

All the more reason to avoid me BainsBane Feb 2014 #319

Oh good, we've come 180 degrees then ProudToBeBlueInRhody Feb 2014 #331

Yeah, well, here's a student collecting cans and bottles for college money. factsarenotfair Feb 2014 #20

Good for her. bigwillq Feb 2014 #26

Also cool. n/t LadyHawkAZ Feb 2014 #194

Good for her. bigwillq Feb 2014 #25

A good read. Well worth the time. riqster Feb 2014 #30

If porn empowers her, good LittleBlue Feb 2014 #37

Question marions ghost Feb 2014 #40

Not to me LittleBlue Feb 2014 #45

OK so marions ghost Feb 2014 #54

Anything in sex can be viewed as degrading LittleBlue Feb 2014 #59

Do you think marions ghost Feb 2014 #65

I don't think it matters LittleBlue Feb 2014 #71

The logical conclusion of what you said... marions ghost Feb 2014 #73

As long as the other person consents LittleBlue Feb 2014 #78

Not talking about individuals and what they do marions ghost Feb 2014 #89

I don't think I've sidestepped it LittleBlue Feb 2014 #96

Actually, it is healthy to do so. Learning to keep one's anti-social impulses bottled up is El_Johns Feb 2014 #186

BDSM is antisocial? LittleBlue Feb 2014 #187

What I find interesting marions ghost Feb 2014 #209

Answering my own question, marions ghost Feb 2014 #51

Let's say there is a huge societal impact LittleBlue Feb 2014 #102

I don't claim to know... marions ghost Feb 2014 #211

BDSM is not a "new" phenomenon. OilemFirchen Feb 2014 #268

To clarify marions ghost Feb 2014 #272

I'll leave armchair psychology to the others here. OilemFirchen Feb 2014 #282

So OK marions ghost Feb 2014 #335

Gail Dines? opiate69 Feb 2014 #349

The article was not written by her-- so marions ghost Feb 2014 #351

I just read the whole thing. crock of shit. reads like parody. cali Feb 2014 #46

That is not a contradiction. ZombieHorde Feb 2014 #90

LOL.. whathehell Feb 2014 #92

This message was self-deleted by its author CFLDem Feb 2014 #49

... RBStevens Feb 2014 #80

This message was self-deleted by its author CFLDem Feb 2014 #85

fascinating read quinnox Feb 2014 #52

she wants her privacy respected but she's screwing on camera? dlwickham Feb 2014 #77

Exactly...Hillarious! whathehell Feb 2014 #95

The fact that she's a porn actress sufrommich Feb 2014 #112

This exactly!... one_voice Feb 2014 #123

so you're blaming her for losing her face but not those who disrespect her privacy? alp227 Feb 2014 #302

Someone who saw her in a porn movie has no obligation to keep it private. LisaL Feb 2014 #369

Using a stage name & a lot of makeup alp227 Feb 2014 #380

it's the same thing for anyone who chooses to put themselves in the public eye dlwickham Feb 2014 #411

From looking at the wiki it would seem this woman falls into the sexually liberal school of feminism Exultant Democracy Feb 2014 #79

Ah. I think that was a fine way of saying, "don't criticize my porn!!!" I need it. nt Sarah Ibarruri Feb 2014 #106

Disgusting personal attacks aside response seems to indicate that this student doen't have agency. Exultant Democracy Feb 2014 #125

Frankly, I find it disgusting that anyone would applaud the degradation of someone Sarah Ibarruri Feb 2014 #158

You seem to be under a tragic misconception Kurska Feb 2014 #163

Let me be the first to throw a monkey wrench in your gears riderinthestorm Feb 2014 #171

Sorry no, claiming someone is mentally ill because they like doing pornography is way over the line. Kurska Feb 2014 #179

You get a thumbs up from me My Good Babushka Feb 2014 #221

"Disgusting personal attacks"??? Sheldon Cooper Feb 2014 #223

It is a sad day when an informed and educated post is responded to like this. n/t Kurska Feb 2014 #131

Not exactly. Neo sex-negative feminists take issue with the exploitation, not the sex... Gravitycollapse Feb 2014 #184

I'd call what you just described sex-positive feminism Hippo_Tron Feb 2014 #381

It depends on who you talk to about it, really. Gravitycollapse Feb 2014 #384

What? What does this mean? RBStevens Feb 2014 #393

Sex negativism was originally a conservative, religious philosophy. Gravitycollapse Feb 2014 #397

Oohkaay. RBStevens Feb 2014 #400

It's not just me, to say the least. Gravitycollapse Feb 2014 #401

I did do a google search and found nothing close to what you describe RBStevens Feb 2014 #403

Not really. I'm far from a puritan but I also think women in porn is not healthy for them cui bono Feb 2014 #392

Sounds like a smart young woman exercising her choice with her body bluestateguy Feb 2014 #81

Yeah, I bet her parents were thrilled as well, LOL! whathehell Feb 2014 #93

Personally, my mother would be ashamed of me. Kurska Feb 2014 #313

Riiiiiight! whathehell Feb 2014 #359

I know porn actors whose parents are fine with their choice of careers. Kurska Feb 2014 #374

BDSM porn marions ghost Feb 2014 #219

It really seems like you have no clue what BDSM is. Blue_Adept Feb 2014 #220

OK I'll bite marions ghost Feb 2014 #244

Will do Blue_Adept Feb 2014 #261

Thanks marions ghost Feb 2014 #270

No problem. Discussion is what it should be all about. Blue_Adept Feb 2014 #273

Interesting read. Warren DeMontague Feb 2014 #83

That's fine for her but... Mike Nelson Feb 2014 #88

+1. El_Johns Feb 2014 #190

In 30 years this is how a lot of people will make it through college, if nothing is done about tuiti reformist2 Feb 2014 #94

Capitalism works for her. . B Calm Feb 2014 #107

Sly Stallone Once made a Porn Flick Wolf Frankula Feb 2014 #111

It was probably the climax of his acting career. edbermac Feb 2014 #117

Chuck Connors did gay porn while he was waiting to become Chuck Connors. Egalitarian Thug Feb 2014 #143

I doubt it. He played pro & semi-pro baseball until 1952 and started acting in 1952, getting El_Johns Feb 2014 #195

Doubt what you like, I've seen one of them and knew the Egalitarian Thug Feb 2014 #423

I will. I looked up some stills on the net & I still doubt it. El_Johns Feb 2014 #424

You do know that the world existed for billions of years before the web existed, right? Egalitarian Thug Feb 2014 #426

i should believe you instead. whatever. El_Johns Feb 2014 #427

Apparently, you missed the part where your belief is irrelevant. Egalitarian Thug Feb 2014 #428

Good for her. Captain Stern Feb 2014 #113

Bravo! JJChambers Feb 2014 #116

Don't know about the porno, but she's excellent at promo. WinkyDink Feb 2014 #130

I will just wish her well. Xyzse Feb 2014 #134

she is hardly the first person Niceguy1 Feb 2014 #144

Message deleted by DU the Administrators scallywagy Feb 2014 #148

How sad. Texasgal Feb 2014 #152

She isn't ashamed. ForgoTheConsequence Feb 2014 #180

Heterosexual porn is comically sexist,my views sufrommich Feb 2014 #218

your post really has me thinking. Usually porn threads on DU degenerate into stupid/// KittyWampus Feb 2014 #333

Is it much different than the college football star who destroys his body penultimate Feb 2014 #185

hey, if someone wants to do porn, more power to them Skittles Feb 2014 #191

I respect her decision to make porn, but I question her expectation of privacy. RandySF Feb 2014 #198

this whole thread makes me vomit PowerToThePeople Feb 2014 #200

Yeah, I'm reminded of the Breaking Bad (Canada) meme deutsey Feb 2014 #216

And she instantly gets judged for it here Prophet 451 Feb 2014 #203

Would be interesting to have her come back in 10 years and discuss the same thing. nt. NCTraveler Feb 2014 #205

It would be marions ghost Feb 2014 #217

If she wants to make a porn - fine, but user_name Feb 2014 #206

I agree, though it's 16k in student loans, to be exact, but that's still generous zazen Feb 2014 #213

Agree marions ghost Feb 2014 #215

I don't know why you would assume it's the "easy way" My Good Babushka Feb 2014 #238

That's about the saddest thing she said marions ghost Feb 2014 #259

Why do you think paying for college is an "excuse"? Captain Stern Feb 2014 #389

Looks like I parroted the word excuse, marions ghost Feb 2014 #407

Fair Enough. Captain Stern Feb 2014 #413

"She's an adult" marions ghost Feb 2014 #433

I don't see why she would need to explain it anyway. NaturalHigh Feb 2014 #208

a better question is..... whistler162 Feb 2014 #222

Who cares about anything? Why even get up in the morning? nt Sarah Ibarruri Feb 2014 #228

Allow me to summarize Public Reaction Savannahmann Feb 2014 #232

Nope. Same thing would've happened if a male student were doing porn - it'd be a scandal up Sarah Ibarruri Feb 2014 #310

Shouldn't have clicked on that link at work with other people in full view of my screen. Fantastic Anarchist Feb 2014 #245

Sorry, I hadn't thought about that issue Mosby Feb 2014 #281

This woman was outed by a fraternity and is being bullied BainsBane Feb 2014 #252

First, let me say that I know people up at Duke. She is a Republican, anti-feminist, porn star. Sarah Ibarruri Feb 2014 #303

I think this serves as an example BainsBane Feb 2014 #307

I disagree with you. Sarah Ibarruri Feb 2014 #316

Do you not believe that consenting adults should be able to make their own sexual decisions? alp227 Feb 2014 #320

Perhaps what needs to happen is that people need to realize what porn and prostitution does to the Sarah Ibarruri Feb 2014 #330

well said, as usual n/t zazen Feb 2014 #344

We haven't agreed on much... one_voice Feb 2014 #412

Utterly disgusting that people are defending mass stalking of a woman practicing her sexual agency. Kurska Feb 2014 #317

She also is a true capitalist! Republican values, lol. . B Calm Feb 2014 #324

Republican values to the HILT! And female as object, thrown in for good measure. nt Sarah Ibarruri Feb 2014 #328

LOL. Now you "know people at Duke" ProudToBeBlueInRhody Feb 2014 #334

Yup. One is a family member in his freshman year; another is a student who is the child of a friend Sarah Ibarruri Feb 2014 #336

Funny how you didn't reveal this 24 hours ago ProudToBeBlueInRhody Feb 2014 #338

I did in another post. You didn't read it, that's all. Sarah Ibarruri Feb 2014 #342

If true that fraternity needs to be shut down. Kurska Feb 2014 #315

What right to privacy are you talking about? LisaL Feb 2014 #350

The one where you work shouldn't be used smear you on your college campus. Kurska Feb 2014 #375

It's really hard to be "private" when one is having sex on video intended for distribution. LisaL Feb 2014 #391

So which is it? Author does it for fulfillment or for the tuition money? KittyWampus Feb 2014 #325

Porn is not empowering. bravenak Feb 2014 #337

Did she get any STDs while doing it? LisaL Feb 2014 #346

Bacterial infections every single time. BV or trichomoniasis. bravenak Feb 2014 #352

IVF should still work if her tubes are blocked. LisaL Feb 2014 #354

Very expensive. bravenak Feb 2014 #357

Thanks marions ghost Feb 2014 #348

It's horrible. bravenak Feb 2014 #356

Nice marions ghost Feb 2014 #358

I'd take a union over a pimp any day. bravenak Feb 2014 #364

I agree with that. nt. My Good Babushka Feb 2014 #429

OK marions ghost Feb 2014 #434

This is what people need to hear who think it's simply having sex in front of a camera. cui bono Feb 2014 #395

It's the hardest work I have ever seen. bravenak Feb 2014 #409

I think this person is just another victim TNLib Feb 2014 #367

But, she has said that she turned down a full tuition scholarship to Vanderbilt! Tanuki Feb 2014 #385

Post removed Post removed Feb 2014 #425

Because everyone is entitled to certain privacy that protects them polly7 Feb 2014 #432

Bullying of course is wrong marions ghost Feb 2014 #435

I disagree. polly7 Feb 2014 #436

I don't think you know her marions ghost Feb 2014 #437

I don't know her at all. polly7 Feb 2014 #438

Consider that in some cases marions ghost Feb 2014 #439

Thanks MIRT & jury! alp227 Feb 2014 #444

......... polly7 Feb 2014 #445

Maybe she didn't want to be a poor student LittleBlue Feb 2014 #442

Troll-b-GONE! alp227 Feb 2014 #443