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stopbush

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10. I agree.

Wed Feb 26, 2014, 06:09 PM

Feb 2014

What if a religion held that god said murder was OK? No one would accept that. So why give a special carve-out to religion-born intolerance that is not acceptable outside of religion?

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Religious beliefs that are prejudiced against women, LGBT, races should be judged as harshly as... [View all] CreekDog Feb 2014 OP

I don't care what someone "believes" jberryhill Feb 2014 #1

i think beliefs actually are harmful. i also think that if you know what someone believes... CreekDog Feb 2014 #3

If the action is merely expressing a belief.... jberryhill Feb 2014 #5

and if he said that about black people? CreekDog Feb 2014 #9

So, what do you want to do with people who believe bad things or say bad things? jberryhill Feb 2014 #12

I think the objective is to establish a precedent. zeemike Feb 2014 #19

the objective is not to do anything of the sort, it's to talk and reason with people CreekDog Feb 2014 #27

This message was self-deleted by its author PassingFair Feb 2014 #67

Thanks....changed it. zeemike Feb 2014 #68

what's the matter with you? i wrote above that my relative simply talked and reasoned with me CreekDog Feb 2014 #26

Yes, I regularly see how you "reason" with people jberryhill Feb 2014 #35

if pointing out what you said is an attack on your character, then it's your words that betray you CreekDog Feb 2014 #37

OMG. Get a mirror dude. pintobean Feb 2014 #40

I know, right? jberryhill Feb 2014 #46

I love that he used the term "physical handicap" pintobean Feb 2014 #52

It's his thing jberryhill Feb 2014 #54

How are the acoustics? pintobean Feb 2014 #56

Pretty good jberryhill Feb 2014 #58

so you call your daughter by her name but other kids with disabilities you call "handicapped" CreekDog Feb 2014 #87

Yes, Creek, I actually punch several of them every day jberryhill Feb 2014 #88

it refers to the condition not the whole person CreekDog Feb 2014 #77

Stop calling people handicapped CreekDog Feb 2014 #69

ah, welcome, as usual, posting opinions about DUers and never about the thread topic CreekDog Feb 2014 #49

fascinating that you're being obtuse on this and... CreekDog Feb 2014 #28

Predictable jberryhill Feb 2014 #32

"handicapped"? there are no "handicapped" people. CreekDog Feb 2014 #42

It's printed on the permit we use for our daughter jberryhill Feb 2014 #44

does that placard tell you to call her handicapped? CreekDog Feb 2014 #48

I call her "Kate" if you must know jberryhill Feb 2014 #51

well you called a person handicapped and then justified it CreekDog Feb 2014 #55

Did the manager fill his coffee as many times as a right-handed person? AtheistCrusader Feb 2014 #16

Well now that would be an action, wouldn't it? jberryhill Feb 2014 #33

But one that is neither overt, nor conscious. AtheistCrusader Feb 2014 #41

Once again... jberryhill Feb 2014 #45

The people in the study didn't apparently realize they were acting. AtheistCrusader Feb 2014 #47

Okay, so jberryhill Feb 2014 #50

How the hell are you going to proscribe an action that the believer doesn't consciously recognize? AtheistCrusader Feb 2014 #53

Because actions can be proscribed jberryhill Feb 2014 #57

being brainwashed into ridiculous beliefs at a young age snooper2 Feb 2014 #59

I agree with that. HappyMe Feb 2014 #4

asshats come in all shapes and sizes and across the board. loli phabay Feb 2014 #6

Exactly. HappyMe Feb 2014 #8

Interesting concept Fred Gilmore Feb 2014 #20

Welcome to DU gopiscrap Feb 2014 #72

Are you saying that mere beliefs cannot influence the masses Rex Feb 2014 #63

Well, as long as we have adequate controls on beliefs getting out of hand jberryhill Feb 2014 #64

Would that be the Tea Party? Rex Feb 2014 #65

Anyone with whose beliefs I disagree jberryhill Feb 2014 #66

...^ 840high Feb 2014 #76

Tell that one to the "witches" hung in Salem Town. raven mad Feb 2014 #79

Gee, I believe executions would count as "actions" jberryhill Feb 2014 #80

The "actions" were by a small minority - raven mad Feb 2014 #84

THANK YOU! get the red out Feb 2014 #2

"Free exercise of religion" claims often come into conflict with ... frazzled Feb 2014 #7

They can believe what they want, but they can't force others to believe the same. freshwest Feb 2014 #13

I agree. stopbush Feb 2014 #10

I think they should be required to be consistent. jeff47 Feb 2014 #11

"required to be consistent." former9thward Feb 2014 #18

The court excepting them from the laws of the country. jeff47 Feb 2014 #21

Well you are not answering the question. former9thward Feb 2014 #24

Read the subject of the reply. jeff47 Feb 2014 #70

See what former9thward is doing? He's saying that if we criticize a belief... CreekDog Feb 2014 #29

I simply asked the question. former9thward Feb 2014 #34

The consistency should be required by which ever agency is expect to help them Bluenorthwest Feb 2014 #89

So a government monitor for religion. former9thward Feb 2014 #90

Most people who practice 'faith' of any kind are 'cafeteria' worshippers. MADem Feb 2014 #30

And that's why we shouldn't let "but this book says so" work as an argument (nt) jeff47 Feb 2014 #71

For many, it's a cultural exercise, too...and a familial one. MADem Feb 2014 #74

Agreed. Especially because religious beliefs are *chosen*. People *choose* to believe those things. cui bono Feb 2014 #14

Amen to that! n/t wryter2000 Feb 2014 #15

You mean a gold, pointy hat doesn't excuse boorish bigotry? AtheistCrusader Feb 2014 #17

Nor Sexual Abuse Fred Gilmore Feb 2014 #23

DU rec...nt SidDithers Feb 2014 #22

We're making this a lot harder than it needs to be Glitterati Feb 2014 #25

I'm a big believer in religious freedom quinnox Feb 2014 #31

But that requires you to judge which beliefs get a pass and which are unacceptable FiveGoodMen Feb 2014 #36

That is why used the suicide bomber example quinnox Feb 2014 #38

Sounds reasonable FiveGoodMen Feb 2014 #39

I understand what you mean quinnox Feb 2014 #43

K&R n/t NealK Feb 2014 #60

A bigot should be called out on their bigotry, whether he/she is hiding behind religion or not. Vashta Nerada Feb 2014 #61

That should apply to Francis whose gay baiting leads 42% of Uganda Bluenorthwest Feb 2014 #62

These threads always fill with people that can't tell the difference between JoeyT Feb 2014 #73

But they aren't yet... Religion is still quite privileged... MellowDem Feb 2014 #75

I can think of posters who are very strong on women's rights Arugula Latte Feb 2014 #82

Yes, I've seen this often on DU theHandpuppet Feb 2014 #83

"so what if your church told you to believe that way, what kind of excuse is that?" raven mad Feb 2014 #78

that's the kind of thing I like about the Jesuits CreekDog Feb 2014 #81

This one left the priesthood shortly afterward - raven mad Feb 2014 #85

Recommend. nt Zorra Feb 2014 #86