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278. "It's a shame to have so much deception..."

Wed Feb 26, 2014, 07:45 PM

Feb 2014

This is my issue. I post on DU with my heart on my sleeve. I don't lie about my beliefs. And when I am being stubbornly wrongheaded in anyone else's view, that is 100% me with no paid sponsors. The idea that there are people who are not equally honest is strange as they seem to believe they are going to control my thinking with their machinations. Frankly, if someone actually said to me, "I get paid to shill for this candidate/issue/party, and I will do my best to promote my issue and my point of view, I am not sure I would be upset. The honesty would feel refreshing. And I might take what they had to say more seriously.

If news people prefaced remarks by reminding viewers their companies had very strong partisan views about issues, I would trust them more. In my local paper, they still endorse candidates and explain their choices. I prefer that to going behind my back, paying off lobbyists, doing backroom deals, etc.

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Holy Fuck Me Harder! [View all] hootinholler Feb 2014 OP

Novel title. dipsydoodle Feb 2014 #1

Not familiar with it. n/t hootinholler Feb 2014 #4

Well...I almost skipped this important post because of your Title.... KoKo Feb 2014 #7

Heh, that's why i read it. ChairmanAgnostic Feb 2014 #57

Absolutely...Different Strokes for Different Folks! KoKo Feb 2014 #140

My humor is almost as warped as my femur. ChairmanAgnostic Feb 2014 #198

Thought it was the Duke porn student... Lost_Count Feb 2014 #2

Whatever it takes to get you in the thread. n/t hootinholler Feb 2014 #3

Me too, Lost_Count, BTW, a belated but hearty welcome to DU. Right glad tameetcha! Ecumenist Feb 2014 #202

I need to know about this Duke porn student. n/t Fantastic Anarchist Feb 2014 #223

Ta Da.... Lost_Count Feb 2014 #226

Thank you ... Fantastic Anarchist Feb 2014 #231

It's fine. Sadly the thread is without pictures.. Lost_Count Feb 2014 #244

The talking point being distributed right now is "this isn't really illegal". Democracyinkind Feb 2014 #5

Yes, those talking points have become more than familiar with each illegal violation sabrina 1 Feb 2014 #12

You mean all this time I could have been getting *paid* while DUing? Blue_Tires Feb 2014 #32

Yes, there are several people here on DU one of them my own personal stalker fasttense Feb 2014 #50

what is your proof they are being paid though? VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #76

LOL n/t Aerows Feb 2014 #77

So you have? please show me.... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #80

"I am not denying it" Aerows Feb 2014 #81

OH you are accusing me? VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #82

The truth will set you free. Aerows Feb 2014 #86

Yeah that's what I heard....Is this a direct callout? VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #89

If quoting Bible verses amounts to a callout Aerows Feb 2014 #93

too chicken to make the accusation outright are you? VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #95

I don't think anyone has to accuse anyone of anything Aerows Feb 2014 #97

YOU clearly WANT to make accusations about people... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #98

Noticing patterns? Aerows Feb 2014 #99

No its not....that would be YOU accusing people of being paid shills..... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #101

Recognition of patterns Aerows Feb 2014 #103

You get paid for that? VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #109

Yes, I do get paid to recognize failure Aerows Feb 2014 #115

apparently you do....You weren't in this conversation to add anything except to stalk VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #119

Please proceed, Governor. Aerows Feb 2014 #121

Well apparently you respect Romney more than I do... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #122

I get the quotes of President Obama Aerows Feb 2014 #123

that's about all you get right.... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #124

It seems I Aerows Feb 2014 #125

because I didn't call Romney Gov? Thats your big "Get"? Congratulating yourself for that? VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #127

I'm not sure where you are going with this Aerows Feb 2014 #128

I am not sure what the hell you have been talking abou from the start your ONLY VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #130

If someone was insulted Aerows Feb 2014 #131

thats the point....no one was insulted.... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #132

Oh good Aerows Feb 2014 #133

Yes actually you WERE... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #134

I was stalking you? Aerows Feb 2014 #136

You responded with trollish behavior. VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #203

I gave you attention in the form of replies Aerows Feb 2014 #204

Post removed Post removed Feb 2014 #205

LOL! Aerows Feb 2014 #207

You were arguing? VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #208

I'm drooling and making googly eyes Aerows Feb 2014 #209

... Rex Feb 2014 #280

I did the best I could in that exchange Aerows Feb 2014 #286

I know, that was a perfect reply imo. Rex Feb 2014 #287

I've been through one of these with VR before. Fantastic Anarchist Feb 2014 #225

It usually takes a jury to end it. nt Democracyinkind Feb 2014 #267

I just replied Aerows Feb 2014 #289

"The lady doth protest too much, methinks." rusty fender Mar 2014 #312

Well my little stalker got banned. fasttense Feb 2014 #215

Classic! Zorra Feb 2014 #239

Proof is in their policy positions. grahamhgreen Feb 2014 #253

...and, it was a warning revealed in the latest documents.... KoKo Feb 2014 #141

Yes, when something as lame as that is repeated over and over again by sabrina 1 Feb 2014 #179

The tactics against Kucinich, David Swanson (peace activist) and KoKo Feb 2014 #182

Yes, exactly. Anyone who joins in those attacks in my experience for over eight years now, has sabrina 1 Feb 2014 #187

"It's a shame to have so much deception..." Generic Other Feb 2014 #278

Kind of like (before your time...I think) here of the Fairness Doctrine where KoKo Feb 2014 #290

Good points re transparency. In the early Bush years on some Dem forums, maybe others, it was sabrina 1 Feb 2014 #300

We should always be looking forward. Never backwards. Fantastic Anarchist Feb 2014 #224

I came up with that "talking point" myself, thank you very much Blue_Tires Feb 2014 #23

You actually managed to combine both in one post. ;) Democracyinkind Feb 2014 #26

Maybe I'm on the NSA payroll... Blue_Tires Feb 2014 #29

I won't. Democracyinkind Feb 2014 #35

One of my many issues with Greenwald's stories is that he's good on Blue_Tires Feb 2014 #48

Actually, I have pretty much the same critique. Democracyinkind Feb 2014 #49

"all-hype-no-content" 2banon Feb 2014 #269

The what and the how is what journalists are SUPPOSED to tell us. I wish the MSM would do it sabrina 1 Feb 2014 #250

This message was self-deleted by its author Th1onein Feb 2014 #151

The "why", without the particulars of "who" is covered pretty well by L. Fletcher Prouty's book... rwsanders Feb 2014 #45

You mean journalists like hootinholler Feb 2014 #145

That's kind of like saying after we read about a murder 'does anyone think sabrina 1 Feb 2014 #192

This message was self-deleted by its author Th1onein Feb 2014 #148

Thanks "hoot" ...this is another piece of info from original article deserving separate KoKo Feb 2014 #6

... what you say conjures this image...I hate feeling like I'm living in the belly of the beast... ancianita Feb 2014 #75

That is one creepy Graphic...and you might even add a door for KoKo Feb 2014 #138

Now that woo me with science Mar 2014 #310

Recommend title and article jsr Feb 2014 #8

American intelligence has been under the control of Wall Street since William Donovan at the OSS. Scuba Feb 2014 #9

So why was it not stopped before now? This is illegal and if it has been going on for sabrina 1 Feb 2014 #14

I'm not so sure of that hootinholler Feb 2014 #21

I agree with your caveat. Democracyinkind Feb 2014 #31

I don't have the underlying info & sources at my fingertips, but Jackpine Radical Feb 2014 #36

They had a starring role in a book I mentioned above by L. Fletcher Prouty on the JFK assassination. rwsanders Feb 2014 #46

Who controls the "High Frequency Trading, Commodities and Energy Markets and KoKo Feb 2014 #143

The Guardian had this article recently on go west young man Feb 2014 #158

Yep..."in the know factor" is and has been for awhile.."guaranteed." KoKo Feb 2014 #163

Why.... ReRe Feb 2014 #64

You don't need the NSA to influence the markets/politics... Earth_First Feb 2014 #10

Well...that's the point...Who ALL has ACCESS to this Information....... KoKo Feb 2014 #146

... Cali_Democrat Feb 2014 #11

that is a truly silly and inane post cali Feb 2014 #25

If this were to have come out under President Bush, I'm sure the reaction from neverforget Feb 2014 #27

Suddenly in 2017 Aerows Feb 2014 #70

Exactly. It it was wrong under a Republican then it's wrong under a Democrat. neverforget Feb 2014 #73

Post removed Post removed Feb 2014 #112

Oh, so you want to get personal? Aerows Feb 2014 #114

This message was self-deleted by its author Th1onein Feb 2014 #144

I don't know that I'm taking the high road Aerows Feb 2014 #150

Not as silly as your post earlier today defending medicare payments to private insurers. Cali_Democrat Feb 2014 #30

it's contemptible to make shit up. In no fucking way did I defend cali Feb 2014 #33

Yes you did. Cali_Democrat Feb 2014 #34

I said it will be used against dems and it will. reality. cali Feb 2014 #43

Typical, though. Hissyspit Feb 2014 #53

This message was self-deleted by its author Th1onein Feb 2014 #157

You think this OP is baseless and worth mocking, but THIS evidence-free speculation: Hissyspit Feb 2014 #52

Yes that thread is speculation Cali_Democrat Feb 2014 #54

No. No, I don't. Hissyspit Feb 2014 #71

All I did was post a picture which I've never posted before Cali_Democrat Feb 2014 #72

Yep, more character assassination attempt stuff from you. Hissyspit Feb 2014 #74

Pointing out the obvious fact that you follow me around DU is character assassination? Cali_Democrat Feb 2014 #78

Try to quit posting bullshit and I'll quit having to respond to it. Hissyspit Feb 2014 #83

Oh I see...I'm forcing you to stalk me because I post things you disagree with Cali_Democrat Feb 2014 #84

I'm not following you around. Hissyspit Feb 2014 #87

Once again I see you have nothing to add. Just here to attack posts. Why dont you stay in the BOG. rhett o rick Feb 2014 #88

The BOG!! Cali_Democrat Feb 2014 #90

Ah yes, the BOG signature ridicule emoticon. Does Sid give you extra points each time rhett o rick Feb 2014 #94

Extra points? No.... Cali_Democrat Feb 2014 #96

If someone is paying either of you, they arent getting much for their money. rhett o rick Feb 2014 #100

Any time someone posts something you disagree with... Cali_Democrat Feb 2014 #102

Of course you missed my point. You dont ever disagree with me rhett o rick Feb 2014 #106

Do I support fracking? Cali_Democrat Feb 2014 #107

No links needed. I will take you at your word. It's possible that I misjudged you. If so, shame onme rhett o rick Feb 2014 #110

Well... Cali_Democrat Feb 2014 #113

Why are you even dignifiying that person's comment? No one here owes him/her anything Number23 Feb 2014 #147

I see you have a Cha Feb 2014 #120

This message was self-deleted by its author Th1onein Feb 2014 #162

If I'm not mistaken, your entrance into this thread was... Marr Feb 2014 #170

Let us know if you get a PM hootinholler Feb 2014 #178

"You really enjoy following me around DU, huh?" I know someone who does that... cherokeeprogressive Feb 2014 #139

Well... Cali_Democrat Feb 2014 #142

You're goddamn right I was pissed off at Ambassador Stevens' murder. Looks like I was the only one. cherokeeprogressive Feb 2014 #184

that looks to me more like using Stevens as cover for your bigotry JI7 Feb 2014 #200

I guess I'm not the only one who see's that, eh? nt rdharma Feb 2014 #201

Funny how you seem to manage to always reply to me first in threads... Cali_Democrat Feb 2014 #59

Wait, I was being mocked? hootinholler Feb 2014 #62

I refuse to read this because he's a trayter and he lives in a forein country. progressoid Feb 2014 #13

And don't forget 'this is nothing new, it's always been this way'! sabrina 1 Feb 2014 #15

And for more good news, the chocolate ration Jackpine Radical Feb 2014 #39

And the rolling, laughing smileys... Fawke Em Feb 2014 #56

Oh yes, I nearly forgot the little roly poly laughing guy. Lol, that one sabrina 1 Feb 2014 #104

Much of the middle of this thread is an example of exactly what those KoKo Feb 2014 #149

Whoever orchestrates these campaign, and we have seen one of them exposed thoroughly sabrina 1 Feb 2014 #176

Interesting...what you say about these tactics causing more support KoKo Feb 2014 #188

I think it's just desperation. And as I said, they are not very imaginative people. sabrina 1 Feb 2014 #191

HBGary, Palantir, Prism, Facebook & The Industrial Surveillance Complex KoKo Feb 2014 #235

Mr Roffle Waffles used to be an honest emoticon bobduca Feb 2014 #186

He has been appropriated! sabrina 1 Feb 2014 #190

Moochy moochy...nt SidDithers Feb 2014 #199

You should read it for sheer entertainment. n/t ProSense Feb 2014 #28

I found it extremely informative, and missed the entertainment value. Could you sabrina 1 Feb 2014 #105

It's entertainment that you can see through hootinholler Feb 2014 #183

Really interesting. MadrasT Feb 2014 #16

And how do you suppose they attain that confidential data? Marr Feb 2014 #17

THIS is what they are trying to hide. The REAL reason for the 'surveillance' sabrina 1 Feb 2014 #118

This message was self-deleted by its author Th1onein Feb 2014 #165

I fear you are right, bvar22 Feb 2014 #256

This sounds very similar to Jim Cramer's game Oilwellian Feb 2014 #18

This message was self-deleted by its author guyton Feb 2014 #37

He's WIRED IN...and that's why he won't be fired. He's an example KoKo Feb 2014 #153

Do we have proof this is occurring, or just PowerPoint slides? JaneyVee Feb 2014 #19

This is the really all the proof one needs. go west young man Feb 2014 #196

DDDD – Deny, Disrupt, Degrade, Deceive Octafish Feb 2014 #20

Prove it! OnyxCollie Feb 2014 #137

Seems like it comes from this slide hootinholler Feb 2014 #174

Dude... OnyxCollie Feb 2014 #175

My Sister has a blue heeler who is deaf hootinholler Feb 2014 #177

"It's worse, way worse than I had even imagined..." woo me with science Feb 2014 #22

This is what I've been saying for a long while. Enthusiast Feb 2014 #51

If you haven't already, you really need to read "Confessions of an Economic Hit Man" justiceischeap Feb 2014 #24

It's on the reading list hootinholler Feb 2014 #38

And are those boxes in the garage?...lots of unpacked boxes in the garage? zeemike Feb 2014 #58

Um why yes, they are sort of hootinholler Feb 2014 #61

But...the dog smelled of elderberries. nt Zorra Feb 2014 #161

After you read that one, read Naomi Klein's... ReRe Feb 2014 #67

It was only a matter of time, really. arcane1 Feb 2014 #42

Fantastic Read...and more Current with the lastes ongoing revelations! KoKo Feb 2014 #154

They do this to people, too. Fawke Em Feb 2014 #40

I would not be surprised by this. stillwaiting Feb 2014 #69

I don't mind posting this again arikara Feb 2014 #211

We in the "Gungeon" have seen it for years. Now, full-time in GD. Eleanors38 Feb 2014 #249

Reminds me of this: bvar22 Feb 2014 #273

He who must not be named arikara Feb 2014 #299

Edward Bernays? friendly_iconoclast Feb 2014 #303

Where Have All The Defenders Gone... Long Time Coming... WillyT Feb 2014 #41

oh they're around cali Feb 2014 #44

Yeah, I noticed That fascisthunter Feb 2014 #47

I second that. zeemike Feb 2014 #60

I agree with this. sibelian Feb 2014 #213

Hey cali, while I am rather new here sadoldgirl Feb 2014 #91

There is nothing to defend. ProSense Feb 2014 #65

Kos is mostly wrong. Hissyspit Feb 2014 #85

Move along. bvar22 Feb 2014 #152

Aren't you tired of posting that out of context attempt at propaganda? ProSense Feb 2014 #156

Now THAT was pathetic. bvar22 Feb 2014 #166

LOL! ProSense Feb 2014 #168

Previous "lame crap." bvar22 Feb 2014 #258

Was it called Abuse? If so, I played with that in the late 80's. nt DisgustipatedinCA Feb 2014 #281

Way back in 2006 neverforget Feb 2014 #172

Maybe ProSense Feb 2014 #181

Would you defend this program under a Republican President? neverforget Feb 2014 #185

Your "position" is crystal clear, and has been for a long time. bvar22 Feb 2014 #259

LOL! ProSense Feb 2014 #260

The lessons of 2000 will never be learned by those willing to Old and In the Way Feb 2014 #277

So would you support this under a Republican President? neverforget Feb 2014 #295

Cass Sunstein thinks it's a wonderfully effective method of message control. OnyxCollie Feb 2014 #159

Oooh, a 2008 paper by some guy ProSense Feb 2014 #164

"Some guy" LOL! OnyxCollie Feb 2014 #169

LOL! ProSense Feb 2014 #171

What are you trying to say? OnyxCollie Feb 2014 #173

They aren't trying to say anything. SolutionisSolidarity Feb 2014 #193

No, I said what ProSense Feb 2014 #218

projecting? LOL bobduca Feb 2014 #237

"also" woo me with science Feb 2014 #241

K&R n/t jtuck004 Feb 2014 #55

K&R DeSwiss Feb 2014 #63

All markets are free, some markets are freer than others. Forget about it, Jake, its Chinatown, marble falls Feb 2014 #66

K&R ReRe Feb 2014 #68

Related: How Covert Agents Infiltrate the Internet to Manipulate, Deceive, and Destroy Reputations Purveyor Feb 2014 #79

YES! Greenwald's Site has commenters mentioning ASSANGE Honey Trap! KoKo Feb 2014 #155

Here's an excellent comment left on Greenwald's page Oilwellian Feb 2014 #92

right on G_j Feb 2014 #108

+100000000 woo me with science Feb 2014 #129

***** . ! adirondacker Feb 2014 #189

Fucking A. I strongly believe in government's ability to be a positive force in people's lives. TheKentuckian Feb 2014 #194

" I strongly believe in government's ability to be a positive force in people's lives." woo me with science Feb 2014 #243

How did this become rocket science? It didn't. I'm starting to wonder if all the screeching about TheKentuckian Feb 2014 #296

if you consider what might happen if anti-surveillance, pro-privacy and freedom voters coalesced reddread Feb 2014 #297

Seems they like the corporate dominance, fuck the environment, fuck the people aspects just fine. TheKentuckian Feb 2014 #298

+ 1,000,000,000... What You/He/She Said !!! WillyT Feb 2014 #195

Greenwald himself has been the target of these same techniques starroute Feb 2014 #111

Big Brother and Big Biz been playing social engineer for decades now. Rex Feb 2014 #116

K&R me b zola Feb 2014 #117

Thank you again Mr. Snowden and... wildbilln864 Feb 2014 #126

Congratulations, fellow leftists. we are validated, and vindicated, in so many ways. Zorra Feb 2014 #135

You Said it! Great Graphic! KoKo Feb 2014 #160

Glad you like it, KoKo. Zorra Feb 2014 #167

9/11??? blkmusclmachine Feb 2014 #180

You know, I'm all for making Batman edgy Warren DeMontague Feb 2014 #197

What does that even mean? n/t hootinholler Feb 2014 #214

I don't know. Warren DeMontague Feb 2014 #262

LOL hootinholler Feb 2014 #271

This is one hell of a long thread. zeemike Feb 2014 #206

K&R for pissing off all the right douchebags bobduca Feb 2014 #210

Calling other people "douchebags" ProSense Feb 2014 #217

Government deployed douche bag sock puppets arent people reddread Feb 2014 #220

And, of course, ProSense Feb 2014 #221

Lambchops stew n/t reddread Feb 2014 #222

+1 Moral corruption. Moral vacancy. woo me with science Feb 2014 #228

? Bobbie Jo Feb 2014 #245

Oh look the bog loyalty brigade is out in force! bobduca Feb 2014 #247

What "bog?" Bobbie Jo Feb 2014 #248

K&R for all the people that reply to such posts with defensive outrage! Rex Feb 2014 #265

Yeah thats on them, lol bobduca Feb 2014 #301

Going by this thread it looks like it's working perfectly. joshcryer Feb 2014 #212

Yep. Paranoia about infiltrators almost always does more damage than a potential infiltrator. stevenleser Feb 2014 #219

Another thing is that close confidants have turned. joshcryer Feb 2014 #275

oops double post joshcryer Feb 2014 #276

kick woo me with science Feb 2014 #216

Stand by for the "Stand with Obama" loyalty test thread Savannahmann Feb 2014 #227

They gotta flood the zone bobduca Feb 2014 #230

Are you admitting that the goal of the OP is anti-Obama? ProSense Feb 2014 #233

How dare you even guess my motivation to post this. hootinholler Feb 2014 #293

So as to ProSense Feb 2014 #234

Here is the theme song: bvar22 Feb 2014 #291

Another revelation from today: FBI claims Sonny Liston took a fall in his fight with Cassius Clay, secondwind Feb 2014 #229

The papers are from the UK. Progressive dog Feb 2014 #232

Maybe he just loves Aerows Feb 2014 #263

And maybe he is just a criminal Progressive dog Feb 2014 #268

And maybe I'm Anastasia Nikolaevna, bvar22 Feb 2014 #272

I don't know whrer you fled to, Progressive dog Feb 2014 #306

Here is the same thing posted on DU 18 months ago. stevenleser Feb 2014 #236

But Steve...that's one of the tactics used: KoKo Feb 2014 #238

The claim that "its a tactic" is a combination of two logical fallacies. stevenleser Feb 2014 #240

No matter. It's always good for people to know that paid RW corporatists swarm the internet in order Zorra Feb 2014 #246

You've got to wonder why some posters object to this discussion, old news as it is... Romulox Feb 2014 #252

Exactly. It's a perfectly valid, and increasingly important, discussion on a progressive website. nt Zorra Feb 2014 #254

The idea that somethings is less true now--because it was true before--is bizarre on its face. Romulox Feb 2014 #255

That is a strange phenomenon, glad someone else sees that happen too. Rex Feb 2014 #279

Well, darn...that's really observant, KoKo. Zorra Feb 2014 #242

Because something that is true can't be mentioned more than once. Q.E.D. Romulox Feb 2014 #251

WTF are you prattling on about? hootinholler Feb 2014 #261

There is no confirmation here, only yet another accusation. ALmost a nice try. nt stevenleser Feb 2014 #264

The simple fact that slide is classified TOP SECRET is confirmation hootinholler Feb 2014 #270

Ooooh posted by 'mkultra' no less! Rex Feb 2014 #266

Some of the "Twenty-Five Rules of Disinformation" have been used in this thread... friendly_iconoclast Feb 2014 #304

the irony is that the regulation and atmosphere needed to fix this shit is still certainot Feb 2014 #257

Good Points and thanks for Posting this. RW Domination of Radio is a Disgrace! KoKo Feb 2014 #274

i remember reading about a connection between talk radio, ABC, and cia's william? casey and his certainot Feb 2014 #292

K&R for pissing off all the right people! Rex Feb 2014 #282

Thank you for demonstrating another logical fallacy component to this stevenleser Feb 2014 #283

I love how people project when they read and reply to a post! Rex Feb 2014 #284

I agree, you have projected when you replied. stevenleser Mar 2014 #311

I know a retired Episcopal priest who was an SEC prosecutor before becoming a priest . . . markpkessinger Feb 2014 #285

Quis custodiet ipsos custodes? hootinholler Feb 2014 #294

recommend frwrfpos Feb 2014 #288

Thank You For Sharing cantbeserious Feb 2014 #302

kick woo me with science Feb 2014 #305

another... KoKo Feb 2014 #307

^ Zorra Feb 2014 #308

Could Be... WillyT Feb 2014 #309

kick woo me with science Mar 2014 #313

^ Zorra Mar 2014 #314