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In reply to the discussion: Not the Onion: NASA discovers 715 new planets [View all]longship
(40,416 posts)42. You are, of course, correct.
But there are many, many red dwarfs which are not first generation.
As far as wiping themselves out, we don't know anything about alien sociology or psychology. It is likely to be quite divergent to human. That's always the problem with these speculations. One has to try not to anthropomorphize the aliens. Damned difficult not to do. As you aptly point out, we have one data point.
Nevertheless, I think it's fairly inevitable that there's life out there, and also likely intelligent life. The numbers are just too large for there not to be. (That's a very unscientific way of putting it, though.)
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Unless faster-than-light travel is possible, we may never meet our neighbors
FiveGoodMen
Feb 2014
#22
Compressing and expanding space requires a mind boggling amount of energy.
Gravitycollapse
Feb 2014
#66
Go in through the 'Blog' page - there are problems with the home page right now
LongTomH
Feb 2014
#70
I can imagine omnipotence but it is still logically impossible. These are paradoxes.
Gravitycollapse
Feb 2014
#67
Page me when you figure out a way to get there in a reasonable time frame.
Warren DeMontague
Feb 2014
#7
Lets put it this way: I don't think you need to worry about Exxon strip-mining the Alpha Centauri
Warren DeMontague
Feb 2014
#10
So you are saying we can't do anything about our potential oil being under their 3 toed feet?
Rex
Feb 2014
#12
The day we realize that Einstein was trying to tell us that the laws of physics were merely
msanthrope
Feb 2014
#20
The only people who would think that's the Onion, are people who have been paying zero attn. for the
Warren DeMontague
Feb 2014
#3
We think we're unique and important only because we tell ourselves we are.
Tierra_y_Libertad
Feb 2014
#14
Yes, according to Sagan there are more planets in the universe than grains of sand on Earth
Bjorn Against
Feb 2014
#47
It is a large number in the context that, until 1995 or so we knew of zero.
Warren DeMontague
Feb 2014
#49
What some people seem to not be aware of, however, is that compared to just a few
Warren DeMontague
Feb 2014
#51
Yeah- logic sort of breaks down either way, but in some ways I think infinity makes more sense.
Warren DeMontague
Feb 2014
#56
I don't know, my personal thought is that there are many advanced civilizations out there
Bjorn Against
Feb 2014
#59