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61. How much do they save on law enforcement and prison? (NT)

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Wed Feb 26, 2014, 08:34 PM

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Pot smokers have said forever "Make it legal, tax it, and we'll be glad to pay!" Well, [View all] ChisolmTrailDem Feb 2014 OP

Care should be taken to keep taxes reasonable... Eleanors38 Feb 2014 #1

where is this black market for tobacco? I need to find it! robinlynne Feb 2014 #8

It's in semis hauling cartons of butts from NC Warpy Feb 2014 #39

and Florida too. TeamPooka Feb 2014 #89

Tell 'em to come up here once in a while - raven mad Feb 2014 #96

Hey, you don't get the price break Warpy Feb 2014 #99

Rats. raven mad Feb 2014 #100

Nah, you might as well quit and breathe fresh air. Warpy Feb 2014 #104

I've tried. 17 times, actually. raven mad Feb 2014 #105

Some people can't quit Warpy Feb 2014 #106

And e-cigs have been reported to be worse than the real thing. raven mad Feb 2014 #107

I don't think anything is worse than sucking concentrated smoke into your lungs Warpy Feb 2014 #108

Mine have a tendency to burn out. raven mad Feb 2014 #109

Uh, I've seen Jonesing smokers clawing through the coffee grounds and orange peels at 3 AM Warpy Feb 2014 #110

I've tried patches, lozenges, gum and........... raven mad Feb 2014 #112

"Easier than dealing drugs..." progressoid Feb 2014 #43

California. Illinois. New York, to name three n/t Egalitarian Thug Feb 2014 #55

Its huge off the indian res south of here belcffub Feb 2014 #59

And those are the amateurs. The Michiganders with rowboats during Prohibition. Egalitarian Thug Feb 2014 #69

You can't be looking very hard. small D democrat Feb 2014 #60

Sorry,...no king sized Kents.... Spitfire of ATJ Feb 2014 #66

Google "tobacco product smuggling" and take your pick... Eleanors38 Feb 2014 #71

WA State is already screwing this up with their phony legislative efforts. Worthless efforts by jtuck004 Feb 2014 #22

So ... are the lawmakers requiring prices of $70-90 per 1/8th in the stores? brett_jv Feb 2014 #85

The stores aren't open yet, so this is just gleaned from writings about it, but it appears that jtuck004 Feb 2014 #88

104% tax and three profit margins are why prices will be double to triple in WA boblgumm Feb 2014 #90

I agree with you on the pot yeoman6987 Feb 2014 #103

It's good sense, but prohis don't have much good sense. Eleanors38 Feb 2014 #113

The states that legalize it first will have the benefit of industry, as well. loudsue Feb 2014 #2

And the people (with great skills) who happen to live in illegal states... tridim Feb 2014 #7

What is interesting is the governor has recently been quoted as advising other governors Jesus Malverde Feb 2014 #3

plus the pot tourism. mopinko Feb 2014 #29

Oh yes, I can imagine.. the unique "pot tourism".. Cha Feb 2014 #53

I have lived in Colorado 24 years and in all that time beveeheart Feb 2014 #65

yep. Spinal stenosis sufferer here. Timez Squarez Feb 2014 #70

Which ever state in the North East Legalizes First is going to make a killing. wocaonimabi Feb 2014 #4

There is a way to have it as a nationwide referrendum, isn't there? Jamastiene Feb 2014 #64

Nope. jeff47 Feb 2014 #72

That sucks. Jamastiene Feb 2014 #75

I would far rather see NYS legalize pot instead of allowing 6 casinos to be built upstate. hedgehog Feb 2014 #5

+1. Gambling (losing) destroys families. grahamhgreen Feb 2014 #15

It doesn't do much for the neighborhoods, either! hedgehog Feb 2014 #20

In some countries the casino profits go into the general fund. grahamhgreen Feb 2014 #48

Well, to be fair... pipi_k Feb 2014 #27

I think it's a matter of frequency, severity and consequences hedgehog Feb 2014 #28

The instances of people going broke from smoking pot are miniscule Doctor_J Feb 2014 #95

Like casinos, many states will be afraid to miss out on the gold rush. nt Romulox Feb 2014 #6

What, $5 per capita? N.T. Donald Ian Rankin Feb 2014 #11

You forget the massive savings--no incarceration, prosecution, or interdiction costs. Romulox Feb 2014 #12

I was wondering when someone would state the real benefits. Not to mention A Simple Game Feb 2014 #42

You can't put a price on a society based on justice, rationality and fair play. nt Romulox Feb 2014 #56

What we need is a massive state to make it legal... Lobo27 Feb 2014 #9

illinois. mopinko Feb 2014 #30

And Wisconsin will continue its downward spiral AllyCat Feb 2014 #57

A whole $5 per capita! The economy is saved! Donald Ian Rankin Feb 2014 #10

See above. Your missing a few things. nt Romulox Feb 2014 #13

See above. You're the one missing a few things... N.T. Donald Ian Rankin Feb 2014 #14

What an argument. Hats off to you. nt Romulox Feb 2014 #17

Nuh-uh. You! Iggo Feb 2014 #19

First, I'm not offering an "argument". Second, ChisolmTrailDem Feb 2014 #16

Where are you getting that number from? Ohio Joe Feb 2014 #18

The OP. Donald Ian Rankin Feb 2014 #36

What are you a food and beverage industry lobbyist? Earth_First Feb 2014 #47

No, a mathematician. Donald Ian Rankin Feb 2014 #54

Then you'd probably realize you need something to measure that against. jeff47 Feb 2014 #73

This right here tells me all I need to know,personally... Ghost in the Machine Feb 2014 #91

That amount is just for a few months. A years worth of taxes Autumn Feb 2014 #98

It's actually $184 million in anticipated tax revenues for this year alone. Comrade Grumpy Feb 2014 #25

$37 per capita. So no, not very significant. Donald Ian Rankin Feb 2014 #37

Hey, when your blowing 2/billion a week in Afghanistan, the feel you must cut 7b/year from food grahamhgreen Feb 2014 #51

What is the precise number that would be a "big deal"? LanternWaste Feb 2014 #68

$37 per capita, plus FREEDOM. nt tridim Feb 2014 #101

This needs to go further SmittynMo Feb 2014 #21

The laws here in Colorado are pretty much the same as for alcohol... Ohio Joe Feb 2014 #24

Thanks for the input SmittynMo Feb 2014 #33

they use a blood test for duid fizzgig Feb 2014 #41

I agree with making progress SmittynMo Feb 2014 #49

they use blood tests for alcohol, too fizzgig Feb 2014 #77

The poster is trying to point out that we have no appropriate measuring system with THC brett_jv Feb 2014 #86

where did i say we had a good measurement? fizzgig Feb 2014 #87

All good points. SmittynMo Feb 2014 #93

Where did I say ... that you said that? brett_jv Feb 2014 #97

Once again, we were correct. calimary Feb 2014 #23

It's actually not $25 million but $184 million in pot tax revenues expected this year. Comrade Grumpy Feb 2014 #26

Just think of the gold mine all the other states are missing out on. SmittynMo Feb 2014 #34

I think "chicken feed" is closer than "gold mine", to be honest. Donald Ian Rankin Feb 2014 #38

$184 million in tax revenues for one state in one year ain't "chicken feed." Comrade Grumpy Feb 2014 #44

184 million? SmittynMo Feb 2014 #52

That $25million I cited was the initial projection. Whatever, it's all good - they're throwing ChisolmTrailDem Feb 2014 #40

Yes, it's much better than your OP suggested. Just strengthening your argument. Comrade Grumpy Feb 2014 #45

If only other states would wise up and follow their lead. Jamastiene Feb 2014 #31

It eventually will. With the republicans in the Indiana B Calm Feb 2014 #35

I'm afraid with McCrory in as governor here Jamastiene Feb 2014 #62

I'm not so sure. jeff47 Feb 2014 #76

Plus, the rural counties like mine, that dried up because leaders here Jamastiene Feb 2014 #79

Hickenlooper is warning other states to "go slow" RainDog Feb 2014 #32

We think alike.. Jesus Malverde Feb 2014 #74

Yeah RainDog Feb 2014 #111

Money talks!! And I think states will listen! And hasn't it been about money all along, really? DesertDiamond Feb 2014 #46

Agreed. Warren DeMontague Feb 2014 #50

Colorado Rocks otohara Feb 2014 #58

How much do they save on law enforcement and prison? (NT) The Wizard Feb 2014 #61

That amount HAS to be high, I would think. Jamastiene Feb 2014 #63

Lawyers, Judges, Clerks, Cops, Prison Guards, Lab techs.. SomethingFishy Feb 2014 #67

Just decriminalize it. Old and In the Way Feb 2014 #78

I think you mean legalize it, if I can get picky for a minute. Comrade Grumpy Feb 2014 #80

they are different fizzgig Feb 2014 #81

Growing your own is very rewarding. Comrade Grumpy Feb 2014 #82

it would have to be the husband's project fizzgig Feb 2014 #83

$25M = a lot of twinkies cvoogt Feb 2014 #84

Yay us! colorado_ufo Feb 2014 #92

It doesn't do any good if employers still test...... Hotler Feb 2014 #94

Employers are going to have to rethink their drug testing policies. Comrade Grumpy Feb 2014 #102