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Jeff In Milwaukee

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33. Let's unpack this a little...

Thu Feb 27, 2014, 01:25 PM

Feb 2014

Prostitution is illegal, so arresting someone for prostitution is the dictionary definition of not news.

This is a diversion program -- similar to programs in place across the country -- where sex workers are offered options for housing, medical services, substance abuse treatment, and generally a path out of life on the street. This program was first offered in 2011, and a third of the women arrested have never be re-arrested for prostitution. So there's some success there.

It seems that people are freaking out because the Catholic Charities and another local church are involved -- along with the ASU School of Social Work and a variety of local charities and non-profits.

I find it curious that people would have a problem with trying to keep vulnerable women from being further victimized.

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Police arresting suspected prostitutes, taking them to church [View all] n2doc Feb 2014 OP

WTF? Sounds like a lawsuit to me. hobbit709 Feb 2014 #1

Absolutely! Feral Child Feb 2014 #5

I'm pretty sure police can detain you for hours with actually aressting you. Mosby Feb 2014 #52

If your movements are curtailed, if you are not free to leave Feral Child Feb 2014 #88

Here Mosby Feb 2014 #90

Yes, but Feral Child Mar 2014 #121

Exactly !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! n/t RKP5637 Feb 2014 #102

Another great reason for Separation of Church and State. democratisphere Feb 2014 #2

Yes get the red out Feb 2014 #84

Combination of a police state with theocracy! Very very dangerous to the survival of RKP5637 Feb 2014 #101

Did they also take the johns to church? nt DURHAM D Feb 2014 #3

No, but Phx haa a Johns school. ChazII Feb 2014 #10

I wonder if it teaches them to be better johns? NaturalHigh Feb 2014 #98

In this paternalistic world, they're the victims, of course. nt valerief Feb 2014 #17

Now why would cinnabonbon Feb 2014 #19

What the hell? HappyMe Feb 2014 #4

In a strange way, this is really a form of sex trafficking! n/t RKP5637 Feb 2014 #103

This program sounds really fucked up and unconstitutional. NCTraveler Feb 2014 #6

Are you going to applaud the police when they "think outside the box" like this to the gays? icymist Feb 2014 #11

Reading is fundamental. nt. NCTraveler Feb 2014 #13

How does forcing people to church help them????? nt valerief Feb 2014 #18

Thank you for making my point about reading being fundamental. NCTraveler Feb 2014 #54

You said both. icymist Feb 2014 #81

Please show me where I said the program was good? NCTraveler Feb 2014 #82

You are really good at double speak: icymist Feb 2014 #99

As I said, you will not find where I support the program. NCTraveler Feb 2014 #112

You have told me more than you know. icymist Feb 2014 #118

Yes, as is the right to an attorney HappyMe Feb 2014 #20

Agree on all points. Something needs to happen.... NCTraveler Feb 2014 #55

Definitely judicial. HappyMe Feb 2014 #57

Yeah, reading, starting with the 1st Amendment to the US Constitution. Warren DeMontague Feb 2014 #30

Agree. Stated before your reply that I believe this is unconstitutional. NCTraveler Feb 2014 #56

diversion isn't really outside the box--the part that's outside the box geek tragedy Feb 2014 #12

You are right, diversion isn't really outside the box. NCTraveler Feb 2014 #14

Why make prostitution illegal? Fantastic Anarchist Feb 2014 #26

"Why make prostitution illegal?" NCTraveler Feb 2014 #60

icymist is correct, this is seriously fucked up. Nika Feb 2014 #85

While I can't fault them for trying new solutions, forcing religion on one RKP5637 Feb 2014 #106

I believe I am the one who stated that this was fucked up in my original post. NCTraveler Feb 2014 #113

this is in the United states? barbtries Feb 2014 #7

This is what some want the US to be, a Police State Theocracy! Typical ruse, they RKP5637 Feb 2014 #109

So basically the police department KIDANPPED people held them against their will. diabeticman Feb 2014 #8

Yup. They were falsely told that they HappyMe Feb 2014 #9

If they weren't officially arrested, JoeyT Feb 2014 #15

Agreed. That's just f'ed up. GreenPartyVoter Feb 2014 #16

What Would Jesus Do With Hookers jsr Feb 2014 #21

That would have depended on how horny he was and how much coin he had. Nika Feb 2014 #87

What kind of a church wants to see people dragged in there in handcuffs? Jerry442 Feb 2014 #22

Probably most... awoke_in_2003 Feb 2014 #28

I don't get the Jesus/Jeebus thing... demwing Feb 2014 #105

the simpsons SwampG8r Feb 2014 #114

The church of inquisition! I think many would love this opportunity. Religion is RKP5637 Feb 2014 #110

Where are Holder and the ACLU? DFW Feb 2014 #23

Holder is not feeling too well right now (nt) Helen Borg Feb 2014 #29

Arizona, of course! Coyotl Feb 2014 #24

This is abominable. Fantastic Anarchist Feb 2014 #25

Meanwhile... Church membership up! grahamhgreen Feb 2014 #27

Not arrested? Am I free to go.... or am I being illegally detained? rdharma Feb 2014 #31

I wonder if they took drug arrests to church if it would be seen the same way Cleita Feb 2014 #32

Let's unpack this a little... Jeff In Milwaukee Feb 2014 #33

I find it curious that no arrests were made..... and they are offering a "diversion program". rdharma Feb 2014 #35

It's a diversion program.... Jeff In Milwaukee Feb 2014 #39

Just like they said "Accept the Cross or Die!" during the crusades. rdharma Feb 2014 #42

Ummm...no Jeff In Milwaukee Feb 2014 #48

No. You can't force them to make that choice.... without an arrest. rdharma Feb 2014 #50

Ummmm....no Jeff In Milwaukee Feb 2014 #59

I find it curious that you try to put words in my mouth. rdharma Feb 2014 #62

Ummmm....no Jeff In Milwaukee Feb 2014 #65

Second verse..... the same as the first. rdharma Feb 2014 #67

Your words... Jeff In Milwaukee Feb 2014 #70

rdharma's analogy is correct. Jeff in Milw's is greatly flawed. hue Feb 2014 #74

Thank-you. But I can speak for myself. nt rdharma Feb 2014 #75

His argument here is the same as below. Obv his mind is stuck in a rut or broken record. hue Feb 2014 #72

Get a room, you two (nt) Jeff In Milwaukee Feb 2014 #78

They could say just arrest me and then go to trial treestar Feb 2014 #91

So are you OK with this if the women are arrested first? demwing Feb 2014 #108

Who says? Crepuscular Feb 2014 #107

Ummmm....no Jeff In Milwaukee Feb 2014 #120

Nothing says that you care more than HappyMe Feb 2014 #37

The women involved were NOT legally arrested! They were cuffed & held against their will!! hue Feb 2014 #38

I read the entire article... Jeff In Milwaukee Feb 2014 #40

Walking down that road to freedom in handcuffs.... Comrade Grumpy Feb 2014 #43

Ummmm....no Jeff In Milwaukee Feb 2014 #51

Prostitutes have civil rights too. HappyMe Feb 2014 #46

They don't have the right to commit a crime... Jeff In Milwaukee Feb 2014 #49

I don't live in AZ, so can't run for office. HappyMe Feb 2014 #53

Judas Priest.... Jeff In Milwaukee Feb 2014 #61

Then the fucking U of Fucking AZ HappyMe Feb 2014 #64

I'm pretty sure they have a law school there... Jeff In Milwaukee Feb 2014 #66

We will have to agree to disagree. HappyMe Feb 2014 #68

You are clearly WRONG! hue Feb 2014 #71

Oh....well.... Jeff In Milwaukee Feb 2014 #79

A church basement vs. a jail cell awaiting arraignment treestar Feb 2014 #92

There's a certain Pavlovian element on DU Jeff In Milwaukee Feb 2014 #93

The women were NOT LEGALLY ARRESTED! They were handcuffed & kidnapped, & held against their will. hue Feb 2014 #69

Oh dear... Jeff In Milwaukee Feb 2014 #77

not arguing with you Jeff d_r Feb 2014 #41

OK. First of all.... Jeff In Milwaukee Feb 2014 #47

When it comes to the Catholic Church there is NO seperation of church & state. hue Feb 2014 #34

You're not under arrest ..... BUT!!!! rdharma Feb 2014 #36

So true! All about misogynous male control! They control the chuchy peeps also! hue Feb 2014 #73

Class action sue the bloody pants off them. aquart Feb 2014 #44

Isn't this unConstitutional? KansDem Feb 2014 #45

Yeah.... ohheckyeah Feb 2014 #63

Are you serious? Jeff In Milwaukee Feb 2014 #80

Nah... KansDem Feb 2014 #83

Totally with you on that one... Jeff In Milwaukee Feb 2014 #86

Legalize prostitution JJChambers Feb 2014 #58

Agree! & Churches should pay taxes!! hue Feb 2014 #76

sounds like kidnapping to me. eom PowerToThePeople Feb 2014 #89

How is this even legal... NaturalHigh Feb 2014 #94

Possession of condoms is considered suspicion of prostitution RainDog Feb 2014 #95

So if one of the girls were Jewish... yuiyoshida Feb 2014 #96

This story has almost convinced me that prostitution should be legalized. Zorra Feb 2014 #97

I wonder what Arizona's definition of procurement is. (NT) Heywood J Feb 2014 #100

The article suggests this is more about targeting trans people than helping hookers live better MindPilot Feb 2014 #104

There is nothing wrong with offering this and other diversion programs as a plea bargain or sentence stevenleser Feb 2014 #111

From on of the former prostitutes ChazII Feb 2014 #115

Which is great, but is she saying that if she was more formally arrested and offered this through stevenleser Feb 2014 #116

Excellent question and ChazII Feb 2014 #117

nothing suprised me anymore warrprayer Feb 2014 #119

The Young Turks speak out on this shit....... rdharma Mar 2014 #122