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22. Insufficient Data

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Thu Feb 27, 2014, 02:11 PM

Feb 2014

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I understand why the statement would anger some. But there's not enough information to determine if the complaint is justified. From the article itself, it looks like there's a very good chance the person who made the statement came from some financial hardship.

She's a single mother, who works at that job for seven years, learned a skill, and is currently earning more than minimum wage.

From her viewpoint, increasing minimum wage to about what she's earning now means all her efforts to get ahead were a waste of time, especially if her child spent time in day care while she was working or learning how to do her job.

I get why her statements could rub people the wrong way, but I don't get the anger towards her, especially if they were made out of frustration.

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This comment just rubbed me the wrong way... [View all] liberal N proud Feb 2014 OP

I would suggest just reading it, and not applying it topically jberryhill Feb 2014 #1

I love you. Warren DeMontague Feb 2014 #82

Now I'll NEVER get a cake in Arizona jberryhill Feb 2014 #85

I hear the best ones are the ones they make at the teabagger concentration camps. Warren DeMontague Feb 2014 #87

Come to Idaho, and I'll be happy to make you a penis-shaped cake jmowreader Feb 2014 #108

If you knew I was coming... jberryhill Feb 2014 #109

When you do Champagne and Coeur d'Alene, let me know jmowreader Feb 2014 #110

I thought Idaho WAS a penis-shaped cake! Warren DeMontague Feb 2014 #115

Shame on you jmowreader Feb 2014 #116

The response is, "Why not build yourself up, instead of bringing others down? Maybe you're not Brickbat Feb 2014 #2

Yep. cyberswede Feb 2014 #6

I remember back before george w bu$h readjusted the economy, government workers made less, often way RC Feb 2014 #59

Which is why I *NEVER* understood the logic behind the Blue_Tires Feb 2014 #25

The ragefests are being cultivated by the corporations. Enthusiast Feb 2014 #70

Nope. I love me my sportsers; however, I think they are all overpaid. ScreamingMeemie Feb 2014 #89

Jealousy is much easier to use than logic when marketing a product. (nt) jeff47 Feb 2014 #32

Also, LOL at "forklift" = "heavy machinery." Brickbat Feb 2014 #3

Me too sharp_stick Feb 2014 #7

Running a forklift means that someone is sitting on their butt all day. TexasTowelie Feb 2014 #14

You do not know what you are talking about. MicaelS Feb 2014 #61

You are full of crap. People are killed driving forklifts. MicaelS Feb 2014 #42

Thank you. nt redqueen Feb 2014 #50

A thank you from me too hibbing Feb 2014 #69

And bullshit back to you. People are killed and injured working in the food service industry also. TexasTowelie Feb 2014 #81

No, I'm not. MicaelS Feb 2014 #92

You know what, I've seen people sit on their butts all day doing nothing in both blue collar TexasTowelie Feb 2014 #103

You did see the point where I said "working class" right? MicaelS Feb 2014 #105

I guess that the definition of "working class" is where we disagree. TexasTowelie Feb 2014 #106

lol, yeah. Marr Feb 2014 #11

It would be pretty "heavy" if it slammed into you at full speed Pretzel_Warrior Feb 2014 #13

LOL. Brickbat Feb 2014 #20

Not defending this douche but some forklifts are heavy machinery progressoid Feb 2014 #21

It is heavy machinery. RC Feb 2014 #65

So what would happen to the minimum wage for tipped employees? badtoworse Feb 2014 #4

That hasn't been raised in thirty years, it is still $2.15 Bandit Feb 2014 #23

Then the higher minimum wage would not apply to them badtoworse Feb 2014 #24

Not in Washington State it's not Bluenorthwest Feb 2014 #28

Each state has their own minimums but I was referring to the Federal one Bandit Feb 2014 #33

In Washington tipped employees make the same minimum wage trixicopper Feb 2014 #41

Line cook was the hardest job I ever had. tridim Feb 2014 #5

At bare minimum, you have to get certified as a fork lift operator Pretzel_Warrior Feb 2014 #8

This message was self-deleted by its author A HERETIC I AM Feb 2014 #19

"Nonsense." redqueen Feb 2014 #46

BOOM! 7962 Feb 2014 #68

This message was self-deleted by its author A HERETIC I AM Feb 2014 #76

PW, I'm often on your side; but I drove a fork lift in Chapel Hill, NC, to supplement ... 11 Bravo Feb 2014 #43

It remained that way in Ohio into the late 1980s. Enthusiast Feb 2014 #74

+1 redqueen Feb 2014 #49

Rubs me the wrong way, too Rider3 Feb 2014 #9

Not to mention... "Maybe you should be making more than you do now"... JHB Feb 2014 #10

Hmmmm, living wage for ALL JJChambers Feb 2014 #12

Amen.... daleanime Feb 2014 #39

YES! 1000% YES! fleabiscuit Feb 2014 #79

I really wonder how many of those comments TBF Feb 2014 #15

sadly, i know some family members who just that stupid. they see anything that helps people less off dionysus Feb 2014 #29

You said it. It's a widespread phenomenon. Enthusiast Feb 2014 #78

why thank you! dionysus Feb 2014 #86

We know for a fact that these discussion groups Enthusiast Feb 2014 #75

Agree 100% nt TBF Feb 2014 #98

I understand why this bothers you, but from a practical standpoint, hughee99 Feb 2014 #16

Divide and conquer. woo me with science Feb 2014 #17

+1 an entire shit load! Enthusiast Feb 2014 #80

A forklift ain't a Boeing 747. nt rrneck Feb 2014 #18

Insufficient Data Token Republican Feb 2014 #22

If her job truly is worth more than minimum wage, then her income would be going up too. jeff47 Feb 2014 #34

That hasn't ever been the case for wages going up. It's a myth. fleabiscuit Feb 2014 #47

No, you're talking about a different statistics. jeff47 Feb 2014 #52

No. I'm talking about minimum wage. fleabiscuit Feb 2014 #63

Then you're wrong. jeff47 Feb 2014 #77

You're arguing against your own arguments. fleabiscuit Feb 2014 #91

No, that would be you. jeff47 Feb 2014 #100

Doh! fleabiscuit Feb 2014 #104

Not necessarily Token Republican Feb 2014 #62

Whether or not her company is profitable doesn't change what the job is worth. jeff47 Feb 2014 #72

Respectfully disagree Token Republican Feb 2014 #94

That picture of Data is causing my MicaelS Feb 2014 #44

Deleted Token Republican Feb 2014 #53

Thank you. MicaelS Feb 2014 #60

Try this edhopper Feb 2014 #26

I would still tip, but B2G Feb 2014 #27

Me neither.... I'm a generous tipper partly because I know they get paid crap... Adrahil Feb 2014 #36

Anyone arguing against raising minimum wage... Orrex Feb 2014 #30

How would the critics here feel if we raised wait staff to 15 while lowering teachers to match... Demo_Chris Feb 2014 #31

In any job, you pay a premium for training and skill. jeff47 Feb 2014 #35

Concur.... though I have had waiters that were definitely what I'd call "skilled." Adrahil Feb 2014 #37

Correct. But those criticizing this woman seem to feel HER training and skill are irrelevant... Demo_Chris Feb 2014 #38

No, we're criticizing her because she doesn't realize that training premium would still exist. jeff47 Feb 2014 #40

It doesn't actually work that way... Demo_Chris Feb 2014 #51

That's why I said it isn't linear. jeff47 Feb 2014 #66

pwnage. nice. dionysus Feb 2014 #84

response.... Demo_Chris Feb 2014 #93

Sooooo much wrong in one place. jeff47 Feb 2014 #101

This message was self-deleted by its author ArtiChoke Feb 2014 #54

Jeff's right. ArtiChoke Feb 2014 #58

that's the exact argument RWers use, your slip is showing... dionysus Feb 2014 #88

Is it? How about adress the point... Demo_Chris Feb 2014 #97

I believe the RW term was used because it takes a special person fleabiscuit Feb 2014 #99

So apply it consistently. That's what everyone is dancing around... Demo_Chris Feb 2014 #111

I never said those things. fleabiscuit Feb 2014 #113

If that waiter doesn't handle her food properly, she could be crapping and puking and MADem Feb 2014 #45

And that is why we should be paying these people more! liberal N proud Feb 2014 #48

I agree. I think a fifteen dollar minimum wage is not unreasonable. MADem Feb 2014 #102

A higher minimum wage will put upward pressure on wages My Good Babushka Feb 2014 #55

That's kind of a sad attitude gollygee Feb 2014 #56

A forklift is certainly NOT heavy machinery. AAO Feb 2014 #57

I tip because... ArtiChoke Feb 2014 #64

I ran a forklift for a while. It wasn't very challenging. Enthusiast Feb 2014 #67

Maybe she should be making more than servers. NCTraveler Feb 2014 #71

If the person is not happy, then why doesn't the person become a waiter. Salaries are determined by lostincalifornia Feb 2014 #73

Not under a minimum wage law, they aren't. N.T Donald Ian Rankin Feb 2014 #90

Of course it needs to go up. But I dont think it should go up a lot INSTANTLY. 7962 Feb 2014 #83

If her jealousy gets the better of her arthritisR_US Feb 2014 #95

Is $15 on the table? I thought it was $10 being discussed? Donald Ian Rankin Feb 2014 #96

The correct answer is..... CANDO Feb 2014 #107

too bad greed blinds people frwrfpos Feb 2014 #112

The woman is missing the whole point, that she's worked for 6 years mountain grammy Feb 2014 #114

the person who said that is likely to give zero tip in any case. yurbud Feb 2014 #117