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Sancho

(9,124 posts)
43. People control...
Thu Feb 27, 2014, 04:59 PM
Feb 2014

This is my generic response to gun threads. For the record, I grew up in the South and on military bases. I was taught about firearms as a child, and I grew up hunting, was a member of the NRA, and I still own guns. In the 70’s, I dropped out of the NRA because they become more radical and less interested in safety and training. Some personal experiences where people I know were involved in shootings caused me to realize that anyone could obtain and posses a gun no matter how illogical it was for them to have a gun. Also, easy access to more powerful guns, guns in the hands of children, and guns that weren’t secured are out of control in our society. As such, here’s what I now think should the requirements to possess a gun. I’m not debating the legal language, I just think it’s the reasonable way to stop the shootings. Notice, none of this restricts the type of guns sold. This is aimed at the people who shoot others, because it’s clear that they should never have had a gun.

1.) Anyone in possession of a gun (whether they own it or not) should have a renewable license.
2.) To get a license, they should have a background check, and be examined by a professional for emotional and mental stability appropriate for gun possession. It might be appropriate to require that examination to be accompanied by references from family, friends, employers, etc.
3.) To get the license, you should be required to take a safety course and pass a test appropriate to the type of gun you want to use.
4.) To get a license, you should be over 21. Under 21, you could only use a gun under direct supervision of a licensed person and after obtaining a learner’s license. Your license might be restricted if you have children or criminals or other unsafe people living in your home. (If you want to argue 18 instead of 21, that's fine...my opinion is 21.)
5.) If you possess a gun, you would have to carry a liability policy insurance policy specifically for gun ownership - and likely you would have to provide proof of appropriate storage, security, and whatever statistical reasons that emerge that would drive the costs and ability to get insurance.
6.) You could not purchase a gun or ammunition without a license, and purchases would have a waiting period.
7.) If you possess a gun without a license, you go to jail, the gun is impounded, and a judge will have to let you go (just like a DUI).
8.) No one should carry an unsecured gun (except in a locked case, unloaded) outside of home or when transporting it to a shooting event without demonstrating a special need. Their license should indicate training and circumstances beyond recreational shooting (security guard, etc.).
9.) All guns should be registered. If you buy, sell, give away, inherit, or the gun changes hands by any other transaction, the registration should be recorded. Ammunition should be tagged.
10.) If you accidentally discharge your gun, commit a crime, get referred by a mental health professional, etc., you should lose your license and guns until reinstated by a serious relicensing process (if ever).

Most of you know that a license is no big deal. Besides a driver’s license you need a license to fish, rent scuba equipment, operate a boat, or many other activities. I realize these differ by state, but that is not a reason to let anyone without a bit of sense pack a semiautomatic weapon in public, on the roads, and in schools. I think we need to make it much harder for some people to have guns.

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These transactions should be illegal MO_Moderate Feb 2014 #1
They are illegal. former9thward Feb 2014 #2
Clearly in the excerpt posted in the OP. LanternWaste Feb 2014 #4
Maybe you should be replying with your snark to the poster I was replying to. former9thward Feb 2014 #8
But it does show just how un-law-abiding gun owners really are, despite what they tell us. Hoyt Feb 2014 #9
Everyone, without fail, says and actually thinks they are a good driver. former9thward Feb 2014 #13
No, but maybe we should license them and database all of their vehicles' registrations... onehandle Feb 2014 #17
They all say they are good drivers. former9thward Feb 2014 #19
perhaps people should be mandated to buy insurance if they operate a motor vehicle.. frylock Feb 2014 #24
Insurance is not required for vehicles on your property. former9thward Feb 2014 #25
Yes. The endless circles of NRA issued diversions have served you well. onehandle Feb 2014 #33
Are your cards 4x6? former9thward Feb 2014 #35
Another substance-less slur. Straw Man Feb 2014 #39
Message auto-removed Name removed Feb 2014 #23
None of which is required for simple ownership. beevul Feb 2014 #31
Going bad. Straw Man Feb 2014 #32
You are just trying to protect your access to gunz. Hoyt Feb 2014 #37
I think ... Straw Man Feb 2014 #42
Take it up with the Democratic Party who you claim to support. former9thward Feb 2014 #47
You can lay your gunz down, that would be a better choice for society. Hoyt Feb 2014 #50
For your concept of 'society'. former9thward Feb 2014 #53
CARS ARE NOT GUNS. Chorophyll Feb 2014 #40
And pianos are not guns. former9thward Feb 2014 #49
Ahh. This one incident is representative of all gun owners... beevul Feb 2014 #30
If it were only one incident, but it's not just one. Hoyt Feb 2014 #51
Sure just like me, right? ... spin Feb 2014 #54
You can use Facebook to commit crimes? Who would have thought. hack89 Feb 2014 #3
Super duper illegal MO_Moderate Feb 2014 #5
Shows how un-law-abiding gun fanciers really are. Hoyt Feb 2014 #10
You keep forgetting the word "all" cherokeeprogressive Feb 2014 #11
I'm saying that those gun fanciers who say gun lovers are law-abiding, are lying to protect their Hoyt Feb 2014 #26
Ahem. Straw Man Feb 2014 #45
Unlike gun fanciers, I don't have a writing "crutch" or disregard for impact of gunz upon society. Hoyt Feb 2014 #48
No more no less than anyone else in America hack89 Feb 2014 #16
And how un-law-abiding Facebook users are. Dr. Strange Feb 2014 #20
Do you have a point? The transactions you describe are illegal badtoworse Feb 2014 #6
We could solve this easily with more guns. Orrex Feb 2014 #7
Message auto-removed Name removed Feb 2014 #12
I heard you can buy Crack, Meth and Heroin on Facebook too. dilby Feb 2014 #14
Bans teh Gunz!!!1! aikoaiko Feb 2014 #15
You mean the type that go up? n/t oneshooter Feb 2014 #18
Yeah, that's it. The should thing that goes up. aikoaiko Feb 2014 #21
Every illegal gun begins as a legal gun... alcibiades_mystery Feb 2014 #22
Please explain ... Straw Man Feb 2014 #34
I can get you lots of links - raven mad Feb 2014 #27
wow sweetapogee Feb 2014 #28
FACEBOOK! IS THERE NO END TO THE PERFIDITY FOR WHENCE THOU ART RESPONSIBLE????!?!??! Warren DeMontague Feb 2014 #29
This seems to have upset team NRA. Oddly. DanTex Feb 2014 #36
Criminals and 15-year olds are customers. onehandle Feb 2014 #38
It's certainly brought them out into the daylight. Chorophyll Feb 2014 #44
CALL ZUCKERMAN RIGHT FUCKING NOW !!!!!! seveneyes Feb 2014 #41
People control... Sancho Feb 2014 #43
But... Freedumb! nt onehandle Feb 2014 #46
It's still BS that would not survive court scrutiny. badtoworse Feb 2014 #52
Locking Sissyk Feb 2014 #55
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