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Are_grits_groceries

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19. It began with the rejection of the EU deal.

Thu Feb 27, 2014, 08:56 PM

Feb 2014

However, when Yanukovich imposed restrictions on the protesters and other citizens, it sent many into the streets.
What some fail to realize was that Yanukovich was becoming more and more dictatorial.

I have no doubt the US was a player through someone. However, Putin is no naif. He has forcefully inserted himself into the conflict by pressuring Yanukovich. I don't think either the EU deal or Putin's aid is a great bargain.

I have watched this protest for weeks. It has morphed many times until it became deadly. That move by Yanukovich was fatal to his presidency.

Many people besides neo-nazis are involved. It is amazing how many people ignore everything but the RW element. To be sure, they are extremely dangerous and will have to be countered at every turn. However, all those people were not in the streets hoping for a RW takeover. It is much too complex.

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Loving a Putsch � Cheering a �Democratic Neo-Nazi Coup� in Ukraine [View all] Purveyor Feb 2014 OP

With every revolution comes a slim chance at real reform Warpy Feb 2014 #1

The Russian propaganda needs to stop; It absolutely sickens me that people would post this okaawhatever Feb 2014 #2

So you are all in supporting this neo-nazis? Interesting, indeed. eom Purveyor Feb 2014 #3

I hope you haven't included me in reference to "all".. n/t 2banon Feb 2014 #6

Not at all. I was replying to post #2. Purveyor Feb 2014 #8

whew! 2banon Feb 2014 #10

the interim government being proposed is not run by Nazis. so you're wrong Pretzel_Warrior Feb 2014 #14

+1 joeybee12 Feb 2014 #4

U.S. Propaganda vs Russian Propaganda.... 2banon Feb 2014 #5

that viewpoint will get you nowhere. it is good to reassess how you score your information sources Pretzel_Warrior Feb 2014 #16

True.. 2banon Feb 2014 #22

Stanks like horse shit! OilemFirchen Feb 2014 #7

The cracks are already showing in the protestors. This will end in tears LittleBlue Feb 2014 #9

The International Situation is Desperate, as always. Benton D Struckcheon Feb 2014 #11

are you aware of the close ties the founder of Center for Research on Globalization has with Russia Pretzel_Warrior Feb 2014 #12

Oh and all of 'your' preferred western media sites spout nothing but the Purveyor Feb 2014 #20

I placed some pretty important caveats in there about how to judge a source as valid or not Pretzel_Warrior Feb 2014 #21

I play a game called Uniwar. Savannahmann Feb 2014 #13

Most Sensible Comment On The Matter I Have Seen Here In Days, Sir The Magistrate Feb 2014 #15

I agree. I enjoyed the summary as well. a lot of logic there. Pretzel_Warrior Feb 2014 #18

you are right. there were "writers" and "righters" in the crowd as well as jeans and genes Pretzel_Warrior Feb 2014 #17

It began with the rejection of the EU deal. Are_grits_groceries Feb 2014 #19

Sorry, but the US shouldn't be supporting the overthrow of democratically elected governments. reformist2 Mar 2014 #23

If Yanukovych had stayed and done what he agreed to do, he would still be running the pampango Mar 2014 #24

He did that hoping the leaderless protesters would do what they did. joshcryer Mar 2014 #27

I agree, Russia should leave Crimea now. joshcryer Mar 2014 #25

No. Since there is no legit government in Ukraine, Russia is providing stability. reformist2 Mar 2014 #26

The impeachment was legitimate. joshcryer Mar 2014 #28

That's funny, I read that thugs took over Kiev. Doesn't sounds very constitutional to me. reformist2 Mar 2014 #30

The parliament followed the constitution. joshcryer Mar 2014 #32

Stability my fucking ass. Tommy_Carcetti Mar 2014 #29

I call it like I see it. The US/EU caused the instability with their goons, Russia is restoring it. reformist2 Mar 2014 #31

Russia has no business creating "stability" in Ukraine. Nor is that its interest. Tommy_Carcetti Mar 2014 #33

The new leaders got into power through an overthrow of the elected government. I can't support that. reformist2 Mar 2014 #34

Going beyond the fact you clearly view the facts in a very skewed light. Tommy_Carcetti Mar 2014 #35

If they try to take over the Ukraine, no I won't support that. But the Russians don't want it. reformist2 Mar 2014 #36