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rhett o rick

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3. I hear you. But isnt it too late to stop climate change? Seriously?

Thu Feb 27, 2014, 10:26 PM

Feb 2014

I dont mean we should give up, but really what can we do? Ask anyone if they are willing to cut their standard of living in half to save the planet and guess what they will say? "Dont bother me, Dancing with the so-called stars is on."

And even if you got the 99% to cut their standard of living, you wont get the greedy, wealthy, elitist, capitalist to give up a nickel.

And let's talk about getting people to vote. What do you have to offer? Gerrymandering, voter disenfranchisement, vote stealing, Citizens United, etc. And then you end up voting for either of two candidates beholden to the PTB.

Dont get me wrong, I am not advocating doing nothing. In fact I think it's time to rebel. No violence, but ci vil dis obed ience (think that will fool the NSA computers?).

Voting isnt enough.

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The Ocean Is Coming [View all] WilliamPitt Feb 2014 OP

OMG, Will. You done gone & stepped in it now. Jackpine Radical Feb 2014 #1

Joined the "Kesha Rogers" wing, have we Will? Coyotl Feb 2014 #32

Jeesh...feeling a little over the top today, are we? tex-wyo-dem Feb 2014 #81

"PBO is a politician".... llmart Feb 2014 #211

But, the slogans were cute. K&R Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2014 #2

They really weren't. SammyWinstonJack Feb 2014 #8

I hear you. But isnt it too late to stop climate change? Seriously? rhett o rick Feb 2014 #3

We will be extremely lucky to hold it to 2C (no, not a scientist, but obsessive on topic) hatrack Feb 2014 #4

The problem is, E & E is still full of doom-and-gloom and other fearmongering. AverageJoe90 Feb 2014 #30

Perhaps it's time to discuss what a "standard of happiness" really is. fleabiscuit Feb 2014 #6

Sounds like a great topic. Why dont you start an OP? nm rhett o rick Feb 2014 #67

I second that. Whisp Feb 2014 #80

Exactly. fleabiscuit Feb 2014 #106

It is too late to stop climate change defacto7 Feb 2014 #12

I agree all the way. rhett o rick Feb 2014 #66

True nt Logical Feb 2014 #158

I may lose but I will fight to my dying breath. Hear you loud and clear. nt Jasana Feb 2014 #188

Stop it, yeah. Too late. BUT... aquart Feb 2014 #221

K&R Champion Jack Feb 2014 #5

Recommend jsr Feb 2014 #7

home truths Will, home truths Autumn Feb 2014 #9

one person waking at a time has been too slow but at least it is happening xiamiam Feb 2014 #10

Pray harder. blkmusclmachine Feb 2014 #11

SHAME ON YOU! Tx4obama Feb 2014 #13

Thanks for kicking my thread. WilliamPitt Feb 2014 #14

I hope everyone on DU sees this and also the names of the folks that have rec'd this BS. Tx4obama Feb 2014 #15

Thanks for kicking my thread. WilliamPitt Feb 2014 #19

I kicked and rec'd ur post 840high Feb 2014 #51

How ironic! chervilant Feb 2014 #239

I would like to recommend Will's excellent OP a hundred times. Autumn Feb 2014 #20

Yes... I Hope They Do Too fascisthunter Feb 2014 #22

Do you have a 'list'? Thanks for reminding me to rec this thread. I saw it and can't see how anyone sabrina 1 Feb 2014 #27

List... Tx4obama Feb 2014 #29

What a sad day it was for Dems, especially those who rely on SS when they found out that the party sabrina 1 Feb 2014 #38

Gosh. That list is getting very long. pa28 Feb 2014 #44

I wasn't going to bother to rec because it already had 91 recs Jim Lane Feb 2014 #64

As far as I know no one is mobilizing or compiling an enemies list. My comment above... Tx4obama Feb 2014 #69

Could you repost that list defacto7 Feb 2014 #77

All you have to do is click on the 'NUMBER' in the DuRec icon up in the OP... Tx4obama Feb 2014 #78

She did not mean it that way. It's just a link where it's compiled. 1awake Feb 2014 #85

I was too subtle I guess.... defacto7 Feb 2014 #86

There would be a big difference, 1awake Feb 2014 #88

I don't know the difference but... defacto7 Feb 2014 #91

Your awesome ty. nt 1awake Feb 2014 #93

mmm... G_j Feb 2014 #149

Indeed. Someone should alert on this poser. Coyotl Feb 2014 #34

So what were the results of your alert? cherokeeprogressive Feb 2014 #87

Ill out myself.. I rec'd it. Awesome article Will!!!! nt 1awake Feb 2014 #35

Make sure you spell my name right on your list. nt scarletwoman Feb 2014 #36

DU spells your name automatically when they put you on the list... Tx4obama Feb 2014 #39

Count me in on your list. n/t xocet Feb 2014 #41

Who made you hall monitor? 840high Feb 2014 #54

I Only Regret That I Have But One Rec to Give This Thread progressoid Feb 2014 #71

Most of the people on DU ARE on that list. nt 1awake Feb 2014 #79

"Most of the people on DU ARE on that list." Not even close Number23 Feb 2014 #99

Give it time, though I was speaking those that are on DU now lol. nt 1awake Feb 2014 #100

Can you be any more UNDEMOCRATIC? Octafish Feb 2014 #128

I hope they also recognize McCarthyism in its many forms. JackRiddler Feb 2014 #174

It's almost like you think we should be ashamed for Autumn Feb 2014 #181

Oh...thanks for reminding me to rec! LiberalLovinLug Feb 2014 #194

WooHoo, I'm on a list ( : ! Sentath Feb 2014 #195

And then what? SomethingFishy Feb 2014 #200

That 'threat' AgingAmerican Feb 2014 #203

Here's a piece of paper with my fucking name on it... MrMickeysMom Feb 2014 #240

You do realize that you are responsible for Curmudgeoness Feb 2014 #246

One kick to say thank you for pointing that out. Sorry Will, you have lost me with that. uppityperson Feb 2014 #24

Do you disagree that the President's rhetoric is at odds with his actions, to our cost? winter is coming Feb 2014 #56

Wow. woo me with science Feb 2014 #141

who are you kidding with this McCarthyite crap Whisp Feb 2014 #175

In the native BOG language you will comprehend... woo me with science Feb 2014 #178

Laughter of embarassment. n/t Whisp Feb 2014 #186

This sounds pretty McCarthyesque: Hissyspit Feb 2014 #199

Get him! Get the commie! JackRiddler Feb 2014 #173

cue the "hater/basher" posts. nt antigop Feb 2014 #16

No, I think they're all on another thread hatrack Feb 2014 #31

Furiously logging in personas woo me with science Feb 2014 #140

Trying to shore up virtual support jsr Feb 2014 #147

vir�tu�al (adjective) woo me with science Feb 2014 #184

Yep, smoke and mirrors: jsr Feb 2014 #187

K&R nt antigop Feb 2014 #17

Various agencies in California are actually having meetings about Cleita Feb 2014 #18

Actually since 2009, the West Coast Governors Alliance on Ocean health Bluenorthwest Feb 2014 #120

Well, looks like "The Road" it is, death, destruction and cannabalism.. mountain grammy Feb 2014 #21

Rightious rant! pscot Feb 2014 #23

The bluff erosion around here is shocking pscot Feb 2014 #28

Spot on Will... truebrit71 Feb 2014 #25

Looks like this one made all the right people angry. pa28 Feb 2014 #26

I think this is one of your best. Not since the run up to war have I seen Autumn Feb 2014 #33

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Why do you believe that $20 as minimum wage would be destructive to the economy? xocet Feb 2014 #46

inflation Coyotl Feb 2014 #48

Thanks for your reply. What though is the correlation of inflation to minimum wage? xocet Feb 2014 #101

Will was speaking in "short speak" meaning for effect and taking short cuts. I love this post! glinda Feb 2014 #72

So high wages are bad? That must mean low wages are good. mbperrin Feb 2014 #76

That hidden post is quite the right wing manifesto. QC Feb 2014 #146

Yes, a bowl of non sequitor soup. ~ eom fleabiscuit Feb 2014 #234

" Hall-of-Fame worthy bullshit artist" SHRED Feb 2014 #42

Dear Will, SHRED Feb 2014 #43

People who post like this get banned from DU too. Coyotl Feb 2014 #49

You want to ban me? WilliamPitt Feb 2014 #50

Post removed Post removed Feb 2014 #52

"sober up" SHRED Feb 2014 #58

this^^^^ 1awake Feb 2014 #55

you banned? arely staircase Feb 2014 #229

Wooooooo�.. MrMickeysMom Feb 2014 #242

Me too. dotymed Feb 2014 #127

So true swilton Feb 2014 #45

HUGE K & R !!! - Thank You !!! WillyT Feb 2014 #47

This thread has become an interesting exercise in the power of my Ignore file. WilliamPitt Feb 2014 #53

Can you disclose the interactions you've had with G. Greenwald, who is a Board Member msanthrope Feb 2014 #126

Zero. WilliamPitt Feb 2014 #129

...and by the way WilliamPitt Feb 2014 #130

Yes but he could have been, you can't deny that, can you? Warren Stupidity Feb 2014 #224

you're quite the investimagator! qwertyq Feb 2014 #135

No response? WilliamPitt Feb 2014 #144

Some of us work during the day, Will....good to clear that up. nt msanthrope Feb 2014 #190

If somebody had proven that I had posted FALSE information at DU, bvar22 Feb 2014 #227

Next on that script comes the $64 question: "Are you now, or have you ever been, a member of the Zorra Feb 2014 #156

That's what I was thinking deutsey Feb 2014 #159

As I posted in reply to you last night, they are NOT on the board of Truthout: Hissyspit Feb 2014 #177

So, he's on the Board of the org that funds Truthout? nt. msanthrope Feb 2014 #191

He's on the board of AN organization that HELPS raise PUBLIC funds for Truthout. And others. Hissyspit Feb 2014 #197

Oh well that's close enough. Any degree of association with the TOXIC MONSTER GG Warren Stupidity Feb 2014 #225

Smear merchant scores great success! bobduca Mar 2014 #277

Thank you for that. fleabiscuit Feb 2014 #237

Your forgot one question AgingAmerican Feb 2014 #204

Here's something for your warm night... MrMickeysMom Feb 2014 #243

Would you prefer to have Romney - or any Republican - as President? baldguy Feb 2014 #57

Yes. WilliamPitt Feb 2014 #59

And your OP is so Palin-worthy, too. baldguy Feb 2014 #61

Excellent piece Will, thank you. Raffi Ella Feb 2014 #60

"He is not your friend. He is selling you out." Egalitarian Thug Feb 2014 #62

This won't pay the bills either. gulliver Feb 2014 #63

!!!!! dionysus Feb 2014 #160

Damn. Just... damn. Number23 Feb 2014 #250

You were saying? WilliamPitt Mar 2014 #256

Alright, Le Taz Hot Feb 2014 #65

He sunk their battleship. n/t winter is coming Feb 2014 #70

Yeah but hey Pro finally got some easy attention! Rex Feb 2014 #84

Wasn't much of a duel, woo me with science Feb 2014 #139

True. Le Taz Hot Feb 2014 #185

and then off to the Safe Haven! MisterP Feb 2014 #192

+1 woo me with science Mar 2014 #259

I can't believe we're all supposed to be Democrats. llmart Feb 2014 #226

Drinkable water is not a "pony". winter is coming Mar 2014 #268

I dedicate my k&r to Prosense, without whom I might have missed this OP. Starry Messenger Feb 2014 #68

Wow 99 recs Autumn Feb 2014 #73

Track is being kept... CAREFULLY. Of that you can rest assured. Revenge is being plotted... cherokeeprogressive Feb 2014 #97

That is such a cool visual. I wonder if that's where Autumn Feb 2014 #151

Are you making a list? abelenkpe Feb 2014 #137

No, there are others who keep Autumn Feb 2014 #145

It's best left to the professionals jsr Feb 2014 #150

I found that out this morning. Autumn Feb 2014 #154

K&R, of course. But I think most people will work past the point where the water is over their jtuck004 Feb 2014 #74

R&K nt longship Feb 2014 #75

K&R ReRe Feb 2014 #82

�Our strategy should be not only to confront empire, but to lay siege to it. Zorra Feb 2014 #83

My favorite Arundhati Roy quote bobduca Mar 2014 #255

Marvelous. woo me with science Mar 2014 #283

This message was self-deleted by its author Tx4obama Feb 2014 #89

Must be a conspiracy! Rex Feb 2014 #95

Which shows that William Pitt is in good company with real journalists. Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2014 #98

Indeed. Published by Bill Moyers. grasswire Feb 2014 #105

Word BelgianMadCow Feb 2014 #115

No, they are NOT. Hissyspit Feb 2014 #107

Thanks, I was going by what the other person said. n/t Tx4obama Feb 2014 #232

That's absolutely incorrect, you are bearing false witness, making things up which Bluenorthwest Feb 2014 #122

You Fail. WilliamPitt Feb 2014 #142

Except they're not... truebrit71 Feb 2014 #171

Apparently on the Board to the organization that funds Truthout....according to Hissyspit. msanthrope Feb 2014 #193

Jesus Fuckall! Hissyspit Feb 2014 #201

But you are one who helpfully provided evidence of the financial link msanthrope Feb 2014 #215

Keep following the money, there, Bernstein. Or are you Woodward? deutsey Feb 2014 #222

He's neither... MrMickeysMom Feb 2014 #245

How dare you deprive him of his devastating expose! n/t deutsey Feb 2014 #247

This message was self-deleted by its author Hissyspit Feb 2014 #233

That is how it works. Get the lies and smears out there Autumn Feb 2014 #236

I do indeed know. Hissyspit Feb 2014 #238

They give money to the group AgingAmerican Feb 2014 #206

Except....they aren't AgingAmerican Feb 2014 #205

and even if they were, it wouldn't make Will's points invalid. n/t winter is coming Feb 2014 #252

Kick Logical Feb 2014 #90

kick b/c I agree ReasonableToo Feb 2014 #92

Agree with much but disagree with this part... Jim Lane Feb 2014 #94

serious question grasswire Feb 2014 #104

On my scorecard, Bill Clinton was more of a bullshitter than Obama. Jim Lane Feb 2014 #109

All those grand bargains that Clinton made AgingAmerican Feb 2014 #207

Let me give you some more to remember about Clinton. Jim Lane Feb 2014 #235

DOMA DADT AgingAmerican Mar 2014 #258

The President and Congress Jim Lane Mar 2014 #262

Aaahhh� but it's the QUALITY of bullshittery we must consider... MrMickeysMom Feb 2014 #248

You mean it's kind of like scoring that takes account of the degree of difficulty of a dive? Jim Lane Mar 2014 #261

Bullshit is like that... MrMickeysMom Mar 2014 #263

Oceanic flight 815 is coming Hurley! Whisp Feb 2014 #96

good op ed ibegurpard Feb 2014 #102

Kicked. Agschmid Feb 2014 #103

We really don't agree about Obama davidthegnome Feb 2014 #108

K&R, just because whenever I see some duers making lists or noting recs of threads, I want to be on quinnox Feb 2014 #110

Me too Hassin Bin Sober Feb 2014 #111

lol quinnox Feb 2014 #112

I started a new list on people that make lists Ichingcarpenter Feb 2014 #132

Here's another for your collection Bobbie Jo Feb 2014 #157

I'm Spartacus... Junkdrawer Feb 2014 #134

K&R! Sorry sockpuppets. Enthusiast Feb 2014 #113

Good for you, Will. About Obama... Junkdrawer Feb 2014 #114

or "look at me!" nt arely staircase Feb 2014 #116

I believe. BelgianMadCow Feb 2014 #117

This message was self-deleted by its author Skidmore Feb 2014 #118

I worked for Obama's campaign in 2008 and 2012, and no, I don't want President Romney .... Scuba Feb 2014 #119

But you don't understand--it's not enough to vote for the president, QC Feb 2014 #143

Half-heartedly clapping is unacceptable jsr Feb 2014 #148

If you don't clap, Tinkerbell will die! QC Feb 2014 #152

Yes, ProSense Feb 2014 #163

You gotta Stand by your Man!!! bvar22 Feb 2014 #209

I love Tammy! QC Feb 2014 #218

"but anyone thinking we've not been sold out suffers from their own strain of ODS" ProSense Feb 2014 #161

I thought the "D" was for "deranged", but will defer to your greater expertise. Scuba Feb 2014 #162

Well, thanks for the clarification as to exactly what you meant. n/t ProSense Feb 2014 #164

Rec for vigorous feet-fire-holding. Union Scribe Feb 2014 #121

K&R G_j Feb 2014 #123

I'm a fan - TBF Feb 2014 #124

kick in support of DU's Will Pitt. Warren Stupidity Feb 2014 #125

Outstanding OP - keep on testifying brother! Divernan Feb 2014 #131

Late to the party, but happy to K&R. bullwinkle428 Feb 2014 #133

damn just damn but you are correct k and r dembotoz Feb 2014 #136

Great piece, refreshing truth. woo me with science Feb 2014 #138

k&r nt Tien1985 Feb 2014 #153

This is a good post. nt ladjf Feb 2014 #155

I think President Obama can handle criticism better than a lot of DUers Armstead Feb 2014 #165

thanks for watching, and don't forget to tune in to next weeks episode of Flight of the Popinjay. nt dionysus Feb 2014 #166

Kicked again to make sure I get on that list...lol Champion Jack Feb 2014 #167

This: CrispyQ Feb 2014 #168

I bleeve that for every dwop of wayne a flower groooooooooooooooows.... Whisp Feb 2014 #169

but do you believe that your comment says anything about the OP? cali Feb 2014 #241

glad to join "the list" magical thyme Feb 2014 #170

K&R.... daleanime Feb 2014 #172

Agreed colsohlibgal Feb 2014 #176

It is beyond refreshing to see people finally laying it on the line honestly. woo me with science Feb 2014 #180

Really good post. vlakitti Feb 2014 #198

concerning rising waters and Arctic collapse - the thread can maybe use this vid: BelgianMadCow Feb 2014 #179

Oh the outrage! Puglover Feb 2014 #182

And it doesn't give a fuck nolkyz Feb 2014 #183

If the ocean is not coming then why.... Jasana Feb 2014 #189

So THAT's why the last time I held a sea shell to my ear I heard OH, YES, YES, YES! 11 Bravo Feb 2014 #196

K&R! Kermitt Gribble Feb 2014 #202

K&R (nt) Autumn Colors Feb 2014 #208

After Katrina, we moved to the Ouachita Mountains of Arkansas, bvar22 Feb 2014 #210

"consumers today are barely handling rent." Spitfire of ATJ Feb 2014 #212

+100000 woo me with science Feb 2014 #253

Kerry: Protecting World�s Oceans Isn�t Just Environmentalist, It�s �An Economic Imperative� ProSense Feb 2014 #213

The Administration is continuing with its push for expanding drilling on public grounds cali Feb 2014 #216

..which further illustrates the veracity of Will's post. bvar22 Feb 2014 #228

Interesting... madinmaryland Feb 2014 #244

DURec. bvar22 Feb 2014 #214

Kick, just for the eye-poking fun of it. Warren Stupidity Feb 2014 #217

K&R. SaveOurDemocracy Feb 2014 #219

DURec leftstreet Feb 2014 #220

Adding my name to 'the list.' suffragette Feb 2014 #223

All very true sadoldgirl Feb 2014 #230

K&R SalmonChantedEvening Feb 2014 #231

Kick. I rec'd earlier! Owl Feb 2014 #249

*applause* flvegan Feb 2014 #251

288 recs and still at the top of the board for discussion. woo me with science Mar 2014 #254

Well said Will! neverforget Mar 2014 #257

Still great. nt woo me with science Mar 2014 #260

kick! woo me with science Mar 2014 #264

I love this piece Will Autumn Mar 2014 #265

Ermahgerd WilliamPitt Mar 2014 #266

Yes indeed, the amusement factor has gone off the charts Autumn Mar 2014 #267

As I just said to a pretzel WilliamPitt Mar 2014 #269

Any minute....... Autumn Mar 2014 #270

. . . WilliamPitt Mar 2014 #271

That's THE unification factor some are striving for Autumn Mar 2014 #272

Congrats enigmatic Mar 2014 #273

(((hug))) WilliamPitt Mar 2014 #274

$20 minimum wage? You've never had to meet a payroll in your life have you? Beausoir Mar 2014 #275

kick woo me with science Mar 2014 #276

It's time for another kick. nm rhett o rick Mar 2014 #278

K&R! raouldukelives Mar 2014 #279

Monday kick. Autumn Mar 2014 #280

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Simple solution: Make voting day a National Holiday apnu Mar 2014 #282

295 recs. woo me with science Mar 2014 #284

Me too! Me too! Goldfish Mar 2014 #285

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he has lousy advisors, there are solutions and choices to make Agony Mar 2014 #287

2 days left for public comment on KXL National Interest Determination to the US State Department Agony Mar 2014 #288

MMmmm Testify! Drew Richards Mar 2014 #289

A little late but proudly rec'd n/t Catherina Mar 2014 #290

Get's better every time I read this. Autumn Mar 2014 #291

300 Recs. woo me with science Mar 2014 #292

Yes, ProSense Mar 2014 #293

kick! woo me with science Mar 2014 #294

Yes this article is still here. Yes it is fucking awesome Autumn Mar 2014 #295