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Demo_Chris

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111. So apply it consistently. That's what everyone is dancing around...

Fri Feb 28, 2014, 12:15 AM

Feb 2014

If you REALLY thought it didn't matter you would have no objection to the teacher salary proposal. But instead it's 'Teachers are skilled, they are special'. And that's true, they are special, they have skills and qualifications that have earned them a better salary. But so have others, and it pisses me off to see regular hard working people dismissed. Apparently to some here a heavy equipment operator might as well be a bathroom floor mopper for all the respect they get and salary these folks think they deserve. The woman under discussion earns 16 an hour, good money, and many here think she really deserves to make a little over minimum wage.

You know what will really happen if the minimum is raised to 15? She'll go to her boss complaining that the night janitor is now making what she is, and her boss will tell her that yeah, it sucks, but thanks to the minimum wage increase we can't afford to pay you more.

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This comment just rubbed me the wrong way... [View all] liberal N proud Feb 2014 OP

I would suggest just reading it, and not applying it topically jberryhill Feb 2014 #1

I love you. Warren DeMontague Feb 2014 #82

Now I'll NEVER get a cake in Arizona jberryhill Feb 2014 #85

I hear the best ones are the ones they make at the teabagger concentration camps. Warren DeMontague Feb 2014 #87

Come to Idaho, and I'll be happy to make you a penis-shaped cake jmowreader Feb 2014 #108

If you knew I was coming... jberryhill Feb 2014 #109

When you do Champagne and Coeur d'Alene, let me know jmowreader Feb 2014 #110

I thought Idaho WAS a penis-shaped cake! Warren DeMontague Feb 2014 #115

Shame on you jmowreader Feb 2014 #116

The response is, "Why not build yourself up, instead of bringing others down? Maybe you're not Brickbat Feb 2014 #2

Yep. cyberswede Feb 2014 #6

I remember back before george w bu$h readjusted the economy, government workers made less, often way RC Feb 2014 #59

Which is why I *NEVER* understood the logic behind the Blue_Tires Feb 2014 #25

The ragefests are being cultivated by the corporations. Enthusiast Feb 2014 #70

Nope. I love me my sportsers; however, I think they are all overpaid. ScreamingMeemie Feb 2014 #89

Jealousy is much easier to use than logic when marketing a product. (nt) jeff47 Feb 2014 #32

Also, LOL at "forklift" = "heavy machinery." Brickbat Feb 2014 #3

Me too sharp_stick Feb 2014 #7

Running a forklift means that someone is sitting on their butt all day. TexasTowelie Feb 2014 #14

You do not know what you are talking about. MicaelS Feb 2014 #61

You are full of crap. People are killed driving forklifts. MicaelS Feb 2014 #42

Thank you. nt redqueen Feb 2014 #50

A thank you from me too hibbing Feb 2014 #69

And bullshit back to you. People are killed and injured working in the food service industry also. TexasTowelie Feb 2014 #81

No, I'm not. MicaelS Feb 2014 #92

You know what, I've seen people sit on their butts all day doing nothing in both blue collar TexasTowelie Feb 2014 #103

You did see the point where I said "working class" right? MicaelS Feb 2014 #105

I guess that the definition of "working class" is where we disagree. TexasTowelie Feb 2014 #106

lol, yeah. Marr Feb 2014 #11

It would be pretty "heavy" if it slammed into you at full speed Pretzel_Warrior Feb 2014 #13

LOL. Brickbat Feb 2014 #20

Not defending this douche but some forklifts are heavy machinery progressoid Feb 2014 #21

It is heavy machinery. RC Feb 2014 #65

So what would happen to the minimum wage for tipped employees? badtoworse Feb 2014 #4

That hasn't been raised in thirty years, it is still $2.15 Bandit Feb 2014 #23

Then the higher minimum wage would not apply to them badtoworse Feb 2014 #24

Not in Washington State it's not Bluenorthwest Feb 2014 #28

Each state has their own minimums but I was referring to the Federal one Bandit Feb 2014 #33

In Washington tipped employees make the same minimum wage trixicopper Feb 2014 #41

Line cook was the hardest job I ever had. tridim Feb 2014 #5

At bare minimum, you have to get certified as a fork lift operator Pretzel_Warrior Feb 2014 #8

This message was self-deleted by its author A HERETIC I AM Feb 2014 #19

"Nonsense." redqueen Feb 2014 #46

BOOM! 7962 Feb 2014 #68

This message was self-deleted by its author A HERETIC I AM Feb 2014 #76

PW, I'm often on your side; but I drove a fork lift in Chapel Hill, NC, to supplement ... 11 Bravo Feb 2014 #43

It remained that way in Ohio into the late 1980s. Enthusiast Feb 2014 #74

+1 redqueen Feb 2014 #49

Rubs me the wrong way, too Rider3 Feb 2014 #9

Not to mention... "Maybe you should be making more than you do now"... JHB Feb 2014 #10

Hmmmm, living wage for ALL JJChambers Feb 2014 #12

Amen.... daleanime Feb 2014 #39

YES! 1000% YES! fleabiscuit Feb 2014 #79

I really wonder how many of those comments TBF Feb 2014 #15

sadly, i know some family members who just that stupid. they see anything that helps people less off dionysus Feb 2014 #29

You said it. It's a widespread phenomenon. Enthusiast Feb 2014 #78

why thank you! dionysus Feb 2014 #86

We know for a fact that these discussion groups Enthusiast Feb 2014 #75

Agree 100% nt TBF Feb 2014 #98

I understand why this bothers you, but from a practical standpoint, hughee99 Feb 2014 #16

Divide and conquer. woo me with science Feb 2014 #17

+1 an entire shit load! Enthusiast Feb 2014 #80

A forklift ain't a Boeing 747. nt rrneck Feb 2014 #18

Insufficient Data Token Republican Feb 2014 #22

If her job truly is worth more than minimum wage, then her income would be going up too. jeff47 Feb 2014 #34

That hasn't ever been the case for wages going up. It's a myth. fleabiscuit Feb 2014 #47

No, you're talking about a different statistics. jeff47 Feb 2014 #52

No. I'm talking about minimum wage. fleabiscuit Feb 2014 #63

Then you're wrong. jeff47 Feb 2014 #77

You're arguing against your own arguments. fleabiscuit Feb 2014 #91

No, that would be you. jeff47 Feb 2014 #100

Doh! fleabiscuit Feb 2014 #104

Not necessarily Token Republican Feb 2014 #62

Whether or not her company is profitable doesn't change what the job is worth. jeff47 Feb 2014 #72

Respectfully disagree Token Republican Feb 2014 #94

That picture of Data is causing my MicaelS Feb 2014 #44

Deleted Token Republican Feb 2014 #53

Thank you. MicaelS Feb 2014 #60

Try this edhopper Feb 2014 #26

I would still tip, but B2G Feb 2014 #27

Me neither.... I'm a generous tipper partly because I know they get paid crap... Adrahil Feb 2014 #36

Anyone arguing against raising minimum wage... Orrex Feb 2014 #30

How would the critics here feel if we raised wait staff to 15 while lowering teachers to match... Demo_Chris Feb 2014 #31

In any job, you pay a premium for training and skill. jeff47 Feb 2014 #35

Concur.... though I have had waiters that were definitely what I'd call "skilled." Adrahil Feb 2014 #37

Correct. But those criticizing this woman seem to feel HER training and skill are irrelevant... Demo_Chris Feb 2014 #38

No, we're criticizing her because she doesn't realize that training premium would still exist. jeff47 Feb 2014 #40

It doesn't actually work that way... Demo_Chris Feb 2014 #51

That's why I said it isn't linear. jeff47 Feb 2014 #66

pwnage. nice. dionysus Feb 2014 #84

response.... Demo_Chris Feb 2014 #93

Sooooo much wrong in one place. jeff47 Feb 2014 #101

This message was self-deleted by its author ArtiChoke Feb 2014 #54

Jeff's right. ArtiChoke Feb 2014 #58

that's the exact argument RWers use, your slip is showing... dionysus Feb 2014 #88

Is it? How about adress the point... Demo_Chris Feb 2014 #97

I believe the RW term was used because it takes a special person fleabiscuit Feb 2014 #99

So apply it consistently. That's what everyone is dancing around... Demo_Chris Feb 2014 #111

I never said those things. fleabiscuit Feb 2014 #113

If that waiter doesn't handle her food properly, she could be crapping and puking and MADem Feb 2014 #45

And that is why we should be paying these people more! liberal N proud Feb 2014 #48

I agree. I think a fifteen dollar minimum wage is not unreasonable. MADem Feb 2014 #102

A higher minimum wage will put upward pressure on wages My Good Babushka Feb 2014 #55

That's kind of a sad attitude gollygee Feb 2014 #56

A forklift is certainly NOT heavy machinery. AAO Feb 2014 #57

I tip because... ArtiChoke Feb 2014 #64

I ran a forklift for a while. It wasn't very challenging. Enthusiast Feb 2014 #67

Maybe she should be making more than servers. NCTraveler Feb 2014 #71

If the person is not happy, then why doesn't the person become a waiter. Salaries are determined by lostincalifornia Feb 2014 #73

Not under a minimum wage law, they aren't. N.T Donald Ian Rankin Feb 2014 #90

Of course it needs to go up. But I dont think it should go up a lot INSTANTLY. 7962 Feb 2014 #83

If her jealousy gets the better of her arthritisR_US Feb 2014 #95

Is $15 on the table? I thought it was $10 being discussed? Donald Ian Rankin Feb 2014 #96

The correct answer is..... CANDO Feb 2014 #107

too bad greed blinds people frwrfpos Feb 2014 #112

The woman is missing the whole point, that she's worked for 6 years mountain grammy Feb 2014 #114

the person who said that is likely to give zero tip in any case. yurbud Feb 2014 #117