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badtoworse

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16. I'm a shill for the country getting more competitive
Thu Mar 22, 2012, 08:01 PM
Mar 2012

I'm also a shill for producing more primary energy ourselves and sending less money to people who hate us and want to kill us. A low cost natural gas supply will give us an ability to compete with countries where labor might be cheaper, but gas costs are higher. Industries that are heavy users of gas will have a reason to invest here which will create jobs.

Natural gas is clean, a lot cleaner than the diesel that runs our trucks and buses. We have the technology to use compressed natural gas to run our heavy trucks and buses which would realize enormous improvements in air quality. There was a proposed amendment to the Transportation Bill last week to implement this, but the amendment was defeated. That was unfortunate.

I heard today that the cash price for natural gas had dipped below $2 per MCF. That is very cheap and while it may not stay that cheap long term, it is forecast to remain very reasonably priced (less that $5) for at least 10 years. As a point of reference, the price was about $8.50 in 2005. We have abundant supplies and should make use of this resource as much as we can.

There is a view on DU that fracking will invariably result in polluted water, but I strongly disagree. This is a minority opinion, but I am covinced that shale gas can be safely developed with hydraulic fracturing and directional drilling. The well casings are key and the few issues we've seen with water quality appear related to improper cementing of the casings rather than endemic to all fracking. Proper handling and disposal of fracking fluids is important and I think appropriate buffers around sensitive water sheds should also be required. No energy technology is without environmental impacts and fracking is no exception. There will be mishaps with it just as there are and will be with coal, nuclear, hydro, wind, solar and everything else. The potential benefits far outweigh the risks in my opinion.

My background is the electric power business, so I know a lot about what's going on with various fuels (natural gas and coal) and different generating technologies (conventional plus renewables like wind and solar. I'm not opposed to renewables, but at trhe same time, I dont see them as a panacea that will solve everything. Even with recent drops in price, they are still expensive and we don't have the infrastrucure in place to put large amounts of uncontrollable renewable generation on the power grid and keep it stable. There are people here who believe we can generate all our power from renewable sources, but that is just not possible in any foreseeable timeframe.

Fossil fuels are not going away in the foreseeable future. DOE's Energy Information Administration projects that we will still be generating more than 30% of our electricity from coal in 2035 with natural gas providing about 45%. IRC, the projection was about 15% from renewables by then.

I'm not a shill for fossil fuels, I'm just being realistic - we can't get along without them.

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Me Too TheMastersNemesis Mar 2012 #1
Honestly, I would prefer looking hard at nuclear power rather than drilling. MoonRiver Mar 2012 #2
Doubtful. He just knows which side his bread is buttered on. nt Snake Alchemist Mar 2012 #15
That drilling is a very good thing badtoworse Mar 2012 #3
Well, speaking as a resident of one of the many "sacrifice zones", I'm not cheering. grntuscarora Mar 2012 #4
I suggest you check out a documentary called Gasland n/t Marrah_G Mar 2012 #5
I'm familiar with it. badtoworse Mar 2012 #6
The problem is that precautions to address environmental concerns are not being done Marrah_G Mar 2012 #7
The situation is changing and effective regulations are being implemented at the state level badtoworse Mar 2012 #9
You seem to be a shill for fossil fuel energy industry. MoonRiver Mar 2012 #13
I'm a shill for the country getting more competitive badtoworse Mar 2012 #16
If I may. grntuscarora Mar 2012 #17
You are raising a different issue badtoworse Mar 2012 #18
I'm not raising a different issue. grntuscarora Mar 2012 #22
My interest is mainly in the environmental impacts and regulatory areas. badtoworse Mar 2012 #24
Everywhere is a watershed XemaSab Mar 2012 #19
Care needs to be taken everywhere badtoworse Mar 2012 #20
good luck with that one spanone Mar 2012 #8
This message was self-deleted by its author badtoworse Mar 2012 #10
As long as you're drawing a paycheck from it and don't have to live with the results gratuitous Mar 2012 #11
I'm focused on what's going on with natural gas, an important industrial and powerplant fuel badtoworse Mar 2012 #12
It's not that big of deal. We have fresh water to spare. raouldukelives Mar 2012 #14
right, we should love fracking shanti Mar 2012 #23
That Apollo project of alternative energy research Johonny Mar 2012 #21
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