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In reply to the discussion: WOW: Guns to surpass car accidents as leading cause of deaths among young people [View all]spin
(17,493 posts)210. I do remember the background check vote and that also that it had overwhelming public support. ...
It was one of the changes to our gun laws that I have long supported. Many other gun owners also support this measure but obviously not all.
But despite the fact that this was a very popular bill it failed in the Senate on April 17, 2013.
Why was this? What lessons can we learn?
In my opinion universal background checks would have passed had it not been for this fact:
On January 24, Senator Feinstein introduced the Assault Weapons Ban of 2013, a bill to stop the sale, transfer, importation and manufacturing of military-style assault weapons and high-capacity ammunition feeding devices.
http://www.feinstein.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/assault-weapons
My point is that viewing the tragic Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting as a good opportunity to pass another AWB was the overreach that enabled the congressional Republicans and the NRA to stop any and all national gun legislation in the 2013 session.
It is my opinion that we need improvements to our national gun law and they can be accomplished as long as the gun control movement and their supporters in Congress realize that attempting to ban certain firearms is a deadly poison to reasonable change at the national level. Gun bans may work at the state level, so it would be my advise that the gun control movement focus on passing such laws at that level. If such bans prove to be effective they will have a higher chance of passing in other states. (I personally see little value in banning semiautomatic rifles because of cosmetic appearance and because rifles are rarely used for crime but that's an argument for a different post.)
You stated:
So, in short, no, I absolutely disagree that the way to get to better gun policy is to concede everything to the GOP before the negotiations even begin. National licensing and registration should be part of the discussion. Sure, it will really annoy about 10% of Americans who value their guns more than anything else. But, as I keep repeating, most Americans think this is a good idea. Those 10% aren't voting for Democrats anyway.
It is my view that gun control advocates do not have to concede everything but merely to understand that gun bans and gun registration are ideas that simply will not fly at the national level. Mention either and the Republicans know immediately that they have won and have no reason to compromise on any ideas you present. The threat of another AWB or gun registration is something the NRA, the gun manufacturers and the Republicans in Congress love to be threatened with. NRA membership will grow, gun manufacturers will sell several years of firearm production in six months and the Republicans will be glad that their gun loving base is fired up and will show up at the polls to vote for Republicans at the local, state and national levels.
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WOW: Guns to surpass car accidents as leading cause of deaths among young people [View all]
kpete
Feb 2014
OP
Why would gun owners hold against you a preference to not see youth car deaths decrease?
aikoaiko
Feb 2014
#4
Well, most (all? not sure, certainly most) states have a waiting period for handguns.
AtheistCrusader
Feb 2014
#129
Canada and Europe do not have the second amendment and your not going to get your way.
proudretiredvet
Feb 2014
#137
It's probably true that for the time being there's not going to be any sanity in our gun laws.
DanTex
Feb 2014
#145
Not surprising. In any nation that largely forbids firearm ownership it is only obvious ...
spin
Feb 2014
#176
So if your think that gang violence which accounts for 12% of all homicides is insignificant ...
spin
Feb 2014
#181
Not quite "insiginficant", but certainly not "the main cause" as many many pro-gunners claim.
DanTex
Feb 2014
#182
The choice is to try to finds a number of different ways to reduce gun violence. ...
spin
Feb 2014
#183
There is no doubt that our opinions on a good appraoch to gun control differ but I still feel ...
spin
Feb 2014
#189
I do remember the background check vote and that also that it had overwhelming public support. ...
spin
Feb 2014
#210
Since by any measure gang members who are white are a TINY minority of gang members
Gormy Cuss
Feb 2014
#168
I am unaware of any instances of someone using "gangbanger" in reference to white kids.
Iggo
Feb 2014
#86
That chart only lists a small number of countries which were cherry picked to make a point
Bjorn Against
Feb 2014
#83
"I'm all for improving healthcare. But I never think of it as an alternative to improving gun laws."
Nuclear Unicorn
Feb 2014
#194
What laws would you propose that would pass constitutional and electoral muster?
Nuclear Unicorn
Feb 2014
#200
electoral = of the electorate = the voters. Congress = congressional. I wrote electoral.
Nuclear Unicorn
Feb 2014
#202
I was referring to how a gun control law passed a Democratic-controlled state house and a
Nuclear Unicorn
Feb 2014
#204
Yes, we should base all our policies on the outcomes of two special state congress elections.
DanTex
Feb 2014
#205
By making it harder to go out and buy a gun on a whim, and reducing irresponsible gun ownership.
DanTex
Feb 2014
#207
But you didn't say "remove homicides from the statistics". You said "remove gang bangers"
muriel_volestrangler
Feb 2014
#114
The deceased in each case did not intend to die. The comparison is appropriate.
morningfog
Feb 2014
#51
The implicit assumption is that if guns were unavailable, the gang violence would not have occurred.
badtoworse
Feb 2014
#21
So if gang members had no guns they would still kill each other at the same rate? n-t
Logical
Feb 2014
#26
They reject that reality, man. Gang violence is the main cause of gun homicide. But
Skip Intro
Feb 2014
#91
Well not only the lives of gang bangers, but they've written off the victims of the gang bangers
CreekDog
Feb 2014
#167
WTF?!? According to 2011 FBI stats, one of the lowest causes of gun homicides is "gang related".
ieoeja
Feb 2014
#160
How much of this is related to gang violence, drug cartels and other criminal organizations?
LittleBlue
Feb 2014
#25
Very little. According to FBI 2011 report, "gang related" is one of the fewest causes of homicides.
ieoeja
Feb 2014
#162
Comparing true accidents with deliberate acts (ie suicide and crime) is disingenuous. nt
hack89
Feb 2014
#34
We don't need to change the Constitution, we just need to read it correctly.
SunSeeker
Feb 2014
#146
That's the logic the right wing uses to stack the courts to attack Roe vs. Wade.
AtheistCrusader
Feb 2014
#148
An Australian-style buy-back program would avoid all those issues and be extremely successful.
SunSeeker
Feb 2014
#154
Suicide absolutely should be included. ANY analysis of guns that ignores suicides is pointless
Recursion
Feb 2014
#119
Did you know that unintentional injuries are the leading cause of death for young people?
Rex
Feb 2014
#95