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In reply to the discussion: No, President Obama Is Not A Hall-of-Fame-Worthy BS Artist, aka Why I Defend The ACA [View all]jeff47
(26,549 posts)67. Not at all.
and projecting virtuous motives onto corporate Democrats
What virtuous motives? Where, specifically, do I talk about any motives about any politician?
But no, it's everyone else who's projecting.
There is NO sign...I mean zero, zip, nada...that what you anticipate here is anywhere on the administration's agenda at all.
Your argument is we are not seeing a federal effort to expand the ACA in the states. Federal effort. In the states.
In other words, the administration became irrelevant to this effort as soon as Obama signed the bill into law.
This administration had the opportunity to push for a public option on behalf of Americans at the time of the passage of the ACA. Not only did Obama NOT do that, he made a point of not mentioning the option publicly *at all.*
No matter how badly you don't want it to be true, Joe Lieberman was still a US senator. He was the 60th vote. Because not everything in the ACA can pass via reconciliation, nor did it - technically a second bill passed which amended a few things in the first.
Now, explain to everyone how you get the Senator from Aetna to vote for a public option. A senator who already torpedoed his own proposal for a Medicare buy-in is going to vote for a public option.
Bullshit.
This despite the fact that the country was polling heavily in favor of a public option and would have rallied to lend strength to his demand, had he chosen to demand it.
And Lieberman votes you down. There was no way in hell he was going to win re-election at that point. So public pressure really isn't going to do shit for you. And he already killed his own public option proposal.
And since the ACA's passage, what have we heard? Oh, there have been some changes, but consistently on behalf of the corporations and at the expense of the people:
Gee, I'm so surprised you left out the parts where we heard about VT's single-payer program. It's so surprising.
You haven't heard about public options because they can't start until 2018. Again, a sop to the corporate Democrats to get the framework in place.
No framework, and single-payer dies just like the last time.
Obama's deliberate silence
Doesn't matter. It's a state battle now. That's the point.
shows more clearly the direction of this administration
Doesn't matter. It's a state battle now. That's the point.
It is beyond absurd to suggest that this President
He doesn't matter. It's a state battle now. That's the point.
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No, President Obama Is Not A Hall-of-Fame-Worthy BS Artist, aka Why I Defend The ACA [View all]
stopbush
Feb 2014
OP
GOPers hate Medicare, UI, SNAP, the Military, women, minitories, freedom of religion
Iliyah
Feb 2014
#53
Dude, you don't even know me or my circumstances living in a state that didn't expand
ScreamingMeemie
Feb 2014
#27
my heart goes out to you. I don't go to walmart anymore but I have seen the cars parked there.
Sunlei
Feb 2014
#52
"God, kicked in the fucking gut by those that are supposed to be 'in this' with me."
woo me with science
Feb 2014
#26
No, pointing out strongly that others are not so lucky is not "shitting on" anyone.
woo me with science
Feb 2014
#32
That's ridiculous. 85% of Americans get their insurance through their employers. The ACA
stopbush
Mar 2014
#95
And this affects pretending concern for the environment while championing Keystone XL and fracking..
Spider Jerusalem
Feb 2014
#6
Whew, good thing you posted! I was unaware that we're down to one approved thread topic.
11 Bravo
Feb 2014
#9
What a vapid, insipid question for stopbush's OP on why he appreciates Obamacare and the
Cha
Feb 2014
#14
Since the OP's ACA post is in response to a post about the environment, it's a fair question.
progressoid
Feb 2014
#18
Nah, I'm calling the question Vapid and Insipid. the OP is about "economic inequality", too.
Cha
Feb 2014
#35
Yeah too bad, stopbush.. that some people have ODS SO BAD that they can't see anything
Cha
Feb 2014
#10
to be fair...that book also contained a complete list of names and contact info for all US Senators
Pretzel_Warrior
Feb 2014
#41
I'm very happy with my 70 a month ACA insurance. Was totally told no by BlueCross last year.
Sunlei
Feb 2014
#45