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83. Unfortunately, you speak for a lot of people.
Fri Feb 28, 2014, 10:16 PM
Feb 2014

Last edited Sat Mar 1, 2014, 03:15 AM - Edit history (4)

Quite a few people have posted at DU with their personal stories of struggling to afford care under the ACA, and they were met with the same contempt and accusations of lying you see here. This thread showcases the level of compassion of the corporate Third Way, the sort of contempt that always seems to go along with advocating corporate/Republican policies.

We're lectured that it's impossible that costs could outweigh ability to pay under the ACA, even though your own example shows that's not the case. Millions of Americans survive on an income that is just above cutoffs for subsidies or that, even with subsidies, cannot possibly meet the deductibles and copays demanded by these companies in order to access care and leave enough to live on. Then figure in the explosion of other siphons in our pockets while corporate politicians are in power, and the figures you cite are beyond obscene.

Rather than address the core problem in our health system - outrageous costs going to corporate middlemen - the ACA "solves" the problem by using taxpayer money/subsidies to ensure first and foremost that the vultures are paid. The predatory system is entrenched and expanded through mandate, but its most malignant effects are camouflaged because politicians can brag about reducing out of pocket costs for some...but with taxpayer money, *not* by demanding any real reduction in the profit-sucking itself.

You are right; the numbers demanded from the middle class drive people *out* of the middle class. And the much-trumpeted benefits to the poor are siphoned from the middle class, as well. Siphoning money from the middle class to the top is by now a familiar result (and, if we are honest, goal) of Third Way corporate policies. Like Third Way policies re: private prisons and war/drones/empire, Third Way policy in health care is morally bankrupt. It abets a parasitic industry that provides no real service, but extracts massive profits from the very existence of human suffering and pain.

The responses in this thread deliberately sidestep this main idea. Instead, they try to divert to arguments about this or that feature of ACA that have been played out here ad nauseum and don't change the central point. Yes, some people pay less, but the corporate profiteering is nevertheless protected and taxpayers make up the difference, not the corporations. There is bragging about limiting administrative costs, but that claim has been repeatedly shown to be hollow. For example, in the thread below; not only is the most relevant comparison to Medicare steadfastly avoided, but the corporate posters use a sleight of hand that focuses on what insurers refund rather than what they get to keep...when what they get to keep is unconscionable:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023939013#post48

Ditto for claims of limiting premiums. The fact is that premium increases under ten percent are not even reviewed under the ACA. Does your income increase by ten percent each year?

And so on...

Third Way talking points for ACA are a little bit like their talking points for the Military Industrial Complex. Just as we are repeatedly wooed by promises of troop "drawdowns" or "withdrawals" during election years, only to find that the money was merely diverted to another bloody mission or to pay for replacement mercenary troops while the military budget and the scope of the MIC overall continue to grow....all these claims of savings here and there in the ACA distract from the fundamental reality of corporate health insurance: Corporate profits continue to grow obscenely as money is siphoned from the people to the corporate bigwigs...as ransom for mere access to a doctor.

http://thinkprogress.org/health/2013/03/22/1761011/health-insurers-threaten-to-increase-premiums-even-as-profits-soar/#




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But you're not rich so nah, nah, na-na, naaah! JaneyVee Feb 2014 #1
K & R. n/t FSogol Feb 2014 #2
I am glad that GOPcare is working so well for you. nt Demo_Chris Feb 2014 #3
What a snotty -- and inaccurate --response. The GOP hates Medicaid, which is why pnwmom Feb 2014 #4
GOPers hate Medicare, UI, SNAP, the Military, women, minitories, freedom of religion Iliyah Feb 2014 #53
You would think someone who finds himself in such allegedly "dire" straits MADem Feb 2014 #56
You're right. Something is fishy about that post. n/t pnwmom Feb 2014 #66
He expands a bit below, and the fish is like 3 days old by now Hekate Feb 2014 #73
I might be if it did anything for me and my family... Demo_Chris Mar 2014 #84
If you're entitled to the full subsidy then you wouldn't have to pay. MADem Mar 2014 #88
It's ProSense Feb 2014 #5
That is a really SHITTY thing to say. ScreamingMeemie Feb 2014 #12
I am glad you came out ahead. I'm poor as hell and all I get is a FINE... Demo_Chris Feb 2014 #25
Dude, you don't even know me or my circumstances living in a state that didn't expand ScreamingMeemie Feb 2014 #27
I'll never understand how tearing others down is a liberal trait. JaneyVee Feb 2014 #31
my heart goes out to you. I don't go to walmart anymore but I have seen the cars parked there. Sunlei Feb 2014 #52
People who are "poor as hell" don't have to pay. MADem Feb 2014 #57
what does your situation stillcool Feb 2014 #61
Why are you spreading a lie? If you're that poor, you are either eligible pnwmom Feb 2014 #65
where do you live that you're not covered by EC Feb 2014 #69
Texas, and there are subsidies... Demo_Chris Mar 2014 #85
Why not vote with your feet and relo to CA? stopbush Mar 2014 #101
I was thinking something along these lines myself... Demo_Chris Mar 2014 #102
"God, kicked in the fucking gut by those that are supposed to be 'in this' with me." woo me with science Feb 2014 #26
You don't think I don't feel that way as well? ScreamingMeemie Feb 2014 #28
No, pointing out strongly that others are not so lucky is not "shitting on" anyone. woo me with science Feb 2014 #32
Sorry, it's pretty shitty. Actually, really shitty. ScreamingMeemie Feb 2014 #34
I could not disagree more strongly. woo me with science Feb 2014 #43
And that's why we're going to use it to our advantage. jeff47 Feb 2014 #49
That is a hell of a lot of wishful thinking woo me with science Feb 2014 #63
Not at all. jeff47 Feb 2014 #67
thank you for that well thought out post questionseverything Feb 2014 #74
Unfortunately, you speak for a lot of people. woo me with science Feb 2014 #83
The ACA limited the profits of the insurance companies for the first time pnwmom Feb 2014 #71
and guaranteed them 330 MILLION paying customers Doctor_J Mar 2014 #89
That's ridiculous. 85% of Americans get their insurance through their employers. The ACA stopbush Mar 2014 #95
which also pay big insurance ungodly profits Doctor_J Mar 2014 #97
"If Obama had insisted" we would have nothing. stopbush Mar 2014 #100
The problem with your "I've got mine argument" stopbush Feb 2014 #77
+100. n/t pnwmom Mar 2014 #91
You know what? You're 100% right. I was wrong to say what I did... Demo_Chris Mar 2014 #86
That person is lying. Either the poster is eligible for expanded Medicaid, pnwmom Feb 2014 #68
Is GOPCare the one that the GOP keeps voting to repeal?... SidDithers Feb 2014 #20
Why are so many in our party so dumb on how to reach our goals? jeff47 Feb 2014 #42
Some ideologues just need to make the perfect the enemy of the good. MADem Feb 2014 #54
insulting, unfeeling, uncaring, unsympathetic, unworthy asinine response. Sheepshank Feb 2014 #50
You should hope like hell you never have those sorts of medical issues. MADem Feb 2014 #51
Is it still "GOPCare" if the GOP tried to repeal it 47 times? baldguy Feb 2014 #72
+1 Jamaal510 Mar 2014 #92
Wow.... just - wow.... alittlelark Mar 2014 #87
And this affects pretending concern for the environment while championing Keystone XL and fracking.. Spider Jerusalem Feb 2014 #6
It's not a zero sum game, my friend. stopbush Feb 2014 #8
Sure it is. Spider Jerusalem Feb 2014 #30
Whew, good thing you posted! I was unaware that we're down to one approved thread topic. 11 Bravo Feb 2014 #9
I doesn't. Rex Feb 2014 #13
What a vapid, insipid question for stopbush's OP on why he appreciates Obamacare and the Cha Feb 2014 #14
Since the OP's ACA post is in response to a post about the environment, it's a fair question. progressoid Feb 2014 #18
If the commentary was about "the environment" ProSense Feb 2014 #24
Sorry, I should have been more specific. progressoid Feb 2014 #29
aka means whatever you want to refer to it as. Rex Feb 2014 #55
Nah, I'm calling the question Vapid and Insipid. the OP is about "economic inequality", too. Cha Feb 2014 #35
Can you point to any statement by the President "championing Keystone XL"? ProSense Feb 2014 #16
... Spider Jerusalem Feb 2014 #21
What does ProSense Feb 2014 #33
That IS Keystone XL. Spider Jerusalem Feb 2014 #36
No, it's absolutely not the pipeline under review. n/t ProSense Feb 2014 #38
That pipe runs from OK to the TX coast. jeff47 Feb 2014 #44
All good politicians are bullshit artists of no mean skill cali Feb 2014 #7
Yeah too bad, stopbush.. that some people have ODS SO BAD that they can't see anything Cha Feb 2014 #10
Wow, funny watching the Usual Suspect fall apart at the seams! Rex Feb 2014 #11
A-Fuckin-men....para 6 nails the entire " debate" in my opinion . Nt pkdu Feb 2014 #15
Ummm, except the OP you are referring to never mentions ACA. progressoid Feb 2014 #17
Ummmm... the OP used the title of another thread to begin an OP ScreamingMeemie Feb 2014 #23
Thanks for refering to that thread. NCTraveler Feb 2014 #19
K & R SunSeeker Feb 2014 #22
but you didn't write a book! Whisp Feb 2014 #37
to be fair...that book also contained a complete list of names and contact info for all US Senators Pretzel_Warrior Feb 2014 #41
Wow. MADem Feb 2014 #60
Many. Damn. Days. Pretzel_Warrior Feb 2014 #62
wow. I just saw this. great post! K&R Pretzel_Warrior Feb 2014 #39
Yawn. Myrina Feb 2014 #40
This post is just my opinion, to which I am entitled Capn Sunshine Feb 2014 #48
I'm very happy with my 70 a month ACA insurance. Was totally told no by BlueCross last year. Sunlei Feb 2014 #45
He is too Capn Sunshine Feb 2014 #46
IOW.. if you make a living off Cha Feb 2014 #58
I wouldn't call soul selling "making a living" but that's just me...! MADem Feb 2014 #64
But, baggers calling the President ugly insults has worked out Cha Feb 2014 #81
K & R Iliyah Feb 2014 #47
I'm happy for you.. stillcool Feb 2014 #59
I am so happy for you and your family's new-found peace of mind... Hekate Feb 2014 #70
So you got yours zipplewrath Feb 2014 #75
See my post #77 above. stopbush Feb 2014 #79
I'm just wondering zipplewrath Mar 2014 #93
Yes, I thought it was a great step forward when it passed, even though I had health insurance stopbush Mar 2014 #94
Well, I was about 5 years old so..... zipplewrath Mar 2014 #96
what about the other points in Will Pitt's OP? grasswire Feb 2014 #76
two issues which could be addressed in the discussion, G_j Mar 2014 #90
Are you for Medicare for All Americans? Yes or no please:) grahamhgreen Feb 2014 #78
Yes. stopbush Feb 2014 #80
then you should be against the aca Doctor_J Mar 2014 #98
Oh, please. Your opinion, not mine. stopbush Mar 2014 #99
Thank You jimlup Feb 2014 #82
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