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154. "Spirit" is literally Latin for breath.

Sat Mar 1, 2014, 10:43 AM

Mar 2014

And if they want to quote their mythological text, then yes, that's what it says and therefore the bible does not condemn abortion.

But I think the whole "when does life begin?" argument is causing us to focus on the wrong aspects of anti-abortion. Let's face it: if a blastocyst is left alone, barring any health issue it will become a human with a soul. That's how the crazies counter the "life begins" debate. I believe we need to call them on their hypocricy:

They say pro-life, yet they restrict women's access to birth contol and sex education--which would prevent most abortions. If they meant what they said, every woman would have free Depo-Provera shots until she was ready to conceive a wanted child.

They say pro-life and scream about Welfare Queens, yet they force unprepared, uneducated women to have a child they can't provide for.

They say pro-life because they care so much about human beings, yet when that unwanted, abused child grows up and is in prison, they have no problem executing him.

They say pro-life because they love children so much, yet do we see them adopting unwanted kids or helping to reform the heinous hell-hole that is foster care?

They say pro-life because they love children so much, yet they do nothing to keep kids safe from guns. Three-year-olds shooting their siblings, high schools being shot up by other kids who should have NO ACCESS to firearms? How pro-life is that?

We will never win a debate arguing about when humans become what we are. And we don't need to: the facts and Fundie hypocricy speak for themselves.

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Fuck your "pro-life" anti-abortion, pro-gun, anti-white privilege arguments. [View all] TeamPooka Feb 2014 OP

rant on, i am part of your choir dembotoz Feb 2014 #1

+1 ForgoTheConsequence Feb 2014 #2

FUCK them too! TeamPooka Feb 2014 #10

You tell 'em, TeamPooka brush Mar 2014 #164

Knee-jerk anti-union sentiment is what has really destroyed this country, economically. nomorenomore08 Feb 2014 #33

Agreed Leith Feb 2014 #36

It should not be and it IS against term of service at DU since it is definitely anti-dem platform Drahthaardogs Feb 2014 #104

Agree! n/t RKP5637 Feb 2014 #3

+2 Euphoria Feb 2014 #4

+1. eom 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2014 #5

ROFL @ the self-delete below this. Finally read the entire OP, did you? It was the gun thing, right? Electric Monk Mar 2014 #128

This message was self-deleted by its author Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2014 #6

+1 In_The_Wind Feb 2014 #7

yes. MerryBlooms Feb 2014 #8

Where in the Bible does it say a fetus is human or abortion is wrong? ErikJ Feb 2014 #9

They interpret the bible to justify their ignorant and often persecutory beliefs to support RKP5637 Feb 2014 #13

The RW powers that be are quite adept at dividing and manipulating the 99% using religion. ErikJ Feb 2014 #46

The Bible says azureblue Feb 2014 #96

"Spirit" is literally Latin for breath. pink-o Mar 2014 #154

You forgot "breast feeding" and "Olive Garden-eating". lumberjack_jeff Feb 2014 #11

Because that's really funny in ScreamingMeemie Feb 2014 #17

The basic concept is that some values should be non-negotiable. Now, we may disagree slightly nomorenomore08 Feb 2014 #34

Thank you! nt Sarah Ibarruri Feb 2014 #12

K&R! billh58 Feb 2014 #14

I really don't like "fuck you" threads. el_bryanto Feb 2014 #15

not violating TOS but I don't considering them Liberal either PatrynXX Feb 2014 #27

OK - I'm not sure if this is addressed to the few DUers who are Anti Abortion (and open about it) el_bryanto Feb 2014 #29

Then you're on our side. I have no beef with you at all, if that's worth anything. nomorenomore08 Feb 2014 #37

yep--radical feminist here who's strong believer in abortion reduction, zazen Feb 2014 #78

And of course, as we all know, generally the best way to reduce abortion is to nomorenomore08 Feb 2014 #107

Even if I agree with them generally... ElboRuum Mar 2014 #157

Okay, I'm reading the Democratic Party Platform LittleBlue Feb 2014 #16

Problem is, I'm not sure certain posters really do believe in any of that. nomorenomore08 Feb 2014 #38

Anyone can join DU, so I always wonder about some of the posts too. Some seem RKP5637 Feb 2014 #98

There are the blatantly obvious trolls, who usually get banned pretty fast. nomorenomore08 Feb 2014 #108

I suppose in a strange way it keeps us on our toes! n/t RKP5637 Feb 2014 #109

Vigorous debate... I'm all for it. boston bean Feb 2014 #18

Some people essentially can't be reasoned with. That's the point. n/t nomorenomore08 Feb 2014 #40

If I want to talk to them I'll go to a family reunion, but not here. nt TeamPooka Feb 2014 #59

I hear ya! Blue_Roses Mar 2014 #187

Fuck all of your base Capt. Obvious Feb 2014 #19

What you say? Nt bravenak Feb 2014 #31

google. "all your base are belong to us " leftyohiolib Feb 2014 #65

What u say is a part of it. bravenak Feb 2014 #66

Somebody set up us the fuck bomb. Dr. Strange Feb 2014 #57

We are all PRO LIFE in the big D tent. Sunlei Feb 2014 #20

I agree completely! n/t Diamonique Feb 2014 #21

Fuck anyone & everyone that disagrees with me. -nt Bonx Feb 2014 #22

Start your own discussion board where everyone agrees with you 100% on everything. Throd Feb 2014 #23

DONT RANT rtracey Feb 2014 #24

Rant and GOTV. Empower our agenda! n/t freshwest Feb 2014 #110

I have this thing about "core principles" hfojvt Feb 2014 #25

hear, hear.... rustbeltvoice Feb 2014 #26

"often our message is only of hate and intolerance for those who disagree" - unfortunately true geckosfeet Feb 2014 #35

I don't accept that Congress is gone forever hfojvt Feb 2014 #45

No no. Not forever. But we need a lot of seats. Getting some southern, western and s western geckosfeet Feb 2014 #102

But some things, like reproductive choice, are non-negotiable. nomorenomore08 Feb 2014 #41

Agreed. ElboRuum Mar 2014 #158

You're more or less correct. But I think both approaches have their place. nomorenomore08 Mar 2014 #182

I'd agree... ElboRuum Mar 2014 #194

DU seems to be more about DU now The Straight Story Feb 2014 #43

Given enough time... ElboRuum Mar 2014 #159

This OP and others like it are about keeping the shit going. zeemike Feb 2014 #61

So everyone should just...what? Shut up and post about kittens? ScreamingMeemie Feb 2014 #67

Not at all...this is a discussion board. zeemike Feb 2014 #71

I beg to differ. Inkfreak Feb 2014 #82

. justabob Mar 2014 #191

hear, hear....again delete_bush Mar 2014 #126

So a woman should just be able to kill the baby a week before due date?? 7962 Feb 2014 #28

FYI about 90% of abortions are performed in the first trimester. And the majority of others nomorenomore08 Feb 2014 #42

Fertilized eggs are BABIES HockeyMom Feb 2014 #49

Exactly. If God is against abortion, then why does He cause so damn many of them? nomorenomore08 Feb 2014 #53

god doesnt cause abortions leftyohiolib Feb 2014 #63

Something (besides abortion) causes an awful lot of pregnancies not to reach full term FiveGoodMen Feb 2014 #75

yea that's why i kind of laugh when people say were made in HIS image becuse there are so leftyohiolib Feb 2014 #76

+1, n/t RKP5637 Feb 2014 #99

Breastfeeding can also HockeyMom Feb 2014 #89

it's not a strawman it's what she said . abortion anytime leftyohiolib Feb 2014 #52

If the alternative is to deny abortions to some women who truly need them - and who may resort nomorenomore08 Feb 2014 #55

whatever, i just said it wasnt a strawman but rage on leftyohiolib Feb 2014 #64

Jog my memory, if you please - are you one of the posters who's basically said that they're opposed nomorenomore08 Feb 2014 #68

you can curse at me, it doesnt bother me theyre just words. i dont care what women do to themselves leftyohiolib Feb 2014 #70

Fair enough. But you have to realize that what you want is ultimately secondary to the wishes nomorenomore08 Feb 2014 #72

no im not secondary it's my baby also and i would expect to be part of any decisn on abortion leftyohiolib Feb 2014 #73

Ideally you should be part of the decision, but since it's not your body, she has final veto power. nomorenomore08 Feb 2014 #74

yes, you are secondary noiretextatique Mar 2014 #156

no im not is that difficult to understand and i dont give a fuck what you think about it leftyohiolib Mar 2014 #168

Thanks for knowing what i "really mean"; when I stated it perfectly clear. OP said ANYTIME. 7962 Feb 2014 #114

And why do you immediately zero in on the most objectionable cases, which no reputable doctor nomorenomore08 Feb 2014 #118

The OP shouldnt have made such a stupid statement, thats why I pointed it out. Very simple. 7962 Mar 2014 #120

newsflash: women are people noiretextatique Mar 2014 #163

So mark you down as in favor of any abortion, anytime, like the OP. Check. Most Democrats do not. 7962 Mar 2014 #171

Women and doctors can be trusted to make safe and moral decisions. Period. Full stop. PeaceNikki Mar 2014 #181

well, perhaps we're smart enough to TRUST WOMEN Scout Feb 2014 #54

Right, and the OP argued to REMOVE THOSE LIMITS tkmorris Feb 2014 #62

Thank you! "Anytime". Pretty clear. 7962 Feb 2014 #117

Sad but damn true. nt AverageJoe90 Mar 2014 #175

Yes. Remove ALL restrictions. Like Canada. PeaceNikki Mar 2014 #180

I had no idea Canada did that. Lunacee_2013 Mar 2014 #188

Post #180, this^^^^^^^^^^^^^ n/t Scout Mar 2014 #210

"that's because it doesn't happen, and only fools bring up this talking point" Scout Mar 2014 #209

My comment was directed at the OP, who clearly stated he supported it ANYTIME; 7962 Mar 2014 #216

Amen PeaceNikki Mar 2014 #179

It's not a "baby" until it's born. It's a fetus. Laffy Kat Mar 2014 #131

So you contradict yourself. The OP is who made this absurd, not me. Anytime means anytime. 7962 Mar 2014 #145

So you think it's better to strip a woman of her autonomy Politicub Mar 2014 #155

The decision to abort Feral Child Mar 2014 #184

Your scenario is mostly hypothetical, save for a few anecdotal cases... Hippo_Tron Mar 2014 #200

Fffffffffff your anti gun sentiment geckosfeet Feb 2014 #30

If "pro-gun" means opposing any gun-control measures whatsoever, then no, it's not reasonable. nomorenomore08 Feb 2014 #44

Because...OMG that would lead to Nazi Germany! jmowreader Feb 2014 #56

Not sure I follow the meaning of your post derby378 Feb 2014 #95

You could get a government job too jmowreader Mar 2014 #127

BG checks are workable with massive infrastructure build out. geckosfeet Feb 2014 #101

I'm not particularly anti-gun in general, but I admit to having become somewhat swept up in the nomorenomore08 Feb 2014 #111

Each of these tragic incidents has its own unique cause. Sandy Hook - geckosfeet Feb 2014 #112

I agree with basically all of your points there. I know that with roughly 1 gun for every person nomorenomore08 Feb 2014 #115

Stand your ground is not legitimate self defense imo. geckosfeet Mar 2014 #119

Glad we're in agreement. Because honestly, that shit scares even lily-white me! nomorenomore08 Mar 2014 #121

I always thought Arkansas had pretty good, reasonable self-defense laws. moriah Mar 2014 #162

Seems reasonable. Moreso than Fl. geckosfeet Mar 2014 #176

I have not seen a single poster on DU that is against ALL gun control... beevul Feb 2014 #116

Then we need to apply checks to person-to-person sales as well. And heavily penalize - at least nomorenomore08 Mar 2014 #124

Its a constitutional issue, on several levels. beevul Mar 2014 #143

And thats my point about the abortion comment made by the OP 7962 Mar 2014 #146

I would have recced this but there's a bit of a problem, unfortunately. AverageJoe90 Feb 2014 #32

"Even the majority of DUers don't buy [white privilege]." A-Schwarzenegger Feb 2014 #79

It's got a lot to do with people "swarming" a topic..... AverageJoe90 Feb 2014 #80

Yeah, uh-huh, where is that damn poll anyway? A-Schwarzenegger Feb 2014 #81

FOUND IT! A-Schwarzenegger Feb 2014 #103

"It's getting closer" Yeah, 152-11! Number23 Mar 2014 #122

Tightening up, 181-17. A-Schwarzenegger Mar 2014 #173

DU had a poll on gun-ownership here: 50+% Eleanors38 Mar 2014 #147

Nothing is keeping the other side from swarming either LostOne4Ever Mar 2014 #139

The concept of Privilege is a sociological term LostOne4Ever Mar 2014 #138

"The concept of Privilege is a sociological term" Yes, I know that's what it was originally. AverageJoe90 Mar 2014 #174

Yes you can be a liberal overall and not believe in it LostOne4Ever Mar 2014 #183

How is disagreeing with "white privilege" *theory* conservative? AverageJoe90 Mar 2014 #185

I, for one, didn't vote in that poll and I agree with AverageJoe90. Waiting For Everyman Mar 2014 #193

AverageJoe90, do you any factual support behind your pronouncements on white privilege? kwassa Mar 2014 #165

Damn skippy! nt MrScorpio Feb 2014 #39

Pooka, I don't think it has to do with their "religion" WhiteTara Feb 2014 #47

Possibly but either way the result is the same. nt TeamPooka Feb 2014 #69

Given that an enormous percentage of democrats own guns, how do you define 'gun nuts'? AtheistCrusader Feb 2014 #48

Please define enormous percentage and provide documentation (P.S. you can't) HERVEPA Mar 2014 #201

The hell I can't. AtheistCrusader Mar 2014 #202

I think you need a dictionary. According to the source you cite, 22% of Democrats own guns. HERVEPA Mar 2014 #203

Right, but not every houshold has two democrats. AtheistCrusader Mar 2014 #204

Another way you can surmise the number of housholds I suggested is accurate is AtheistCrusader Mar 2014 #205

I see no enormous percentages. Enormous percentage (as perhaps opposed to enormous number?)... HERVEPA Mar 2014 #206

I see. AtheistCrusader Mar 2014 #207

Thanks. HERVEPA Mar 2014 #208

If that's what is necesssary, I can live with it. AtheistCrusader Mar 2014 #212

OK HERVEPA Mar 2014 #213

I'm with you 100%. Aristus Feb 2014 #50

oooowwww! heaven05 Feb 2014 #51

Hear! Hear! nt tea and oranges Feb 2014 #58

Geez MO_Moderate Feb 2014 #60

anyone else notice that posts like this get a hundred responses while the posts that affect your leftyohiolib Feb 2014 #77

As a woman in Texas, anti-choice arguments affect my life. ScreamingMeemie Feb 2014 #84

oh! im sorry if i offended you this was not a comment on this post and certainly am not trying leftyohiolib Feb 2014 #85

Comments are not messages from the offended... ScreamingMeemie Feb 2014 #86

you always seem like a fight looking for a place to happen. thanks for the advice leftyohiolib Feb 2014 #87

Accusing me of being "offended" is not generally considered to be holding out an olive ScreamingMeemie Feb 2014 #88

i didnt realize that for that i apologize, leftyohiolib Feb 2014 #91

Don't forget to buckle your seabelt... ScreamingMeemie Feb 2014 #93

thanks leftyohiolib Feb 2014 #94

Yep MO_Moderate Mar 2014 #199

so its all or nothing? Niceguy1 Feb 2014 #83

Yeah, I'm a little surprised by some of those posts, too. Lunacee_2013 Feb 2014 #90

the problem is shaayecanaan Mar 2014 #133

I haven't heard anyone say that. Lunacee_2013 Mar 2014 #134

I just said it shaayecanaan Mar 2014 #135

Did you mean me when you said "I"? Lunacee_2013 Mar 2014 #177

The Problem is that People who use "Privilege" are not talking about themselves Rilgin Mar 2014 #136

I agree with part of your post, but Lunacee_2013 Mar 2014 #178

Good to have some agreement. Rilgin Mar 2014 #192

Glad to have some agreement, too. Lunacee_2013 Mar 2014 #196

minor further thoughts Rilgin Mar 2014 #197

That school experience was back in the late 90's. Lunacee_2013 Mar 2014 #198

This message was self-deleted by its author Th1onein Feb 2014 #92

Then for Pete's sake, DON'T HAVE ONE! PassingFair Mar 2014 #160

This message was self-deleted by its author Th1onein Mar 2014 #189

Are those countries or prisoners inside people's bodies? PassingFair Mar 2014 #190

This message was self-deleted by its author Th1onein Mar 2014 #195

Results of your Jury Service joeglow3 Mar 2014 #211

We are responsible for ourselves. Our bodies are our own. PassingFair Mar 2014 #214

This message was self-deleted by its author Th1onein Mar 2014 #215

I agree with the above poster joeglow3 Mar 2014 #217

Yes, the big tent includes people who disagree with you and may not be ideologically perfect. aikoaiko Feb 2014 #97

+1 TxDemChem Feb 2014 #100

I know this sounds corny, uncool, unhip, old fashioned and REALLY square - but sometimes if we just Douglas Carpenter Feb 2014 #105

I've been listening. I've been tolerant of the intolerance for politics sake and I'm done. TeamPooka Mar 2014 #130

if one is interested in building a progressive majority it is going to include many people who may Douglas Carpenter Mar 2014 #142

To translate your post, 'money and business matter, not people and silly rights they want'. Bluenorthwest Mar 2014 #166

that is not what I am saying at all. Douglas Carpenter Mar 2014 #170

"I owe it to myself." Is it all about you? Eleanors38 Mar 2014 #149

We are all on a journey. I am sharing my map. You may have a different course to plot. TeamPooka Mar 2014 #161

I think abortion should be safe, legal, accessible to all, and rare. Nye Bevan Feb 2014 #106

Sure - you can stand next to all us gun owning Dems. nt hack89 Mar 2014 #153

Hear, Here! Teampooka, I'm with you.. 2banon Feb 2014 #113

Censoring or suppressing sulphurdunn Mar 2014 #123

and don't forget to tune into tomorrow's episode of Knock Down the Strawman... dionysus Mar 2014 #125

Thank you! stopwastingmymoney Mar 2014 #129

Kick! Cha Mar 2014 #132

+1,000 n/t malaise Mar 2014 #137

So,what you are saying,is that if someone holds a different opinion Oldenuff Mar 2014 #140

Typical Hollywood "progressive" TomClash Mar 2014 #141

That's some funny right wing stuff you got there. 'Hollywood' is a heavily Unionized industry Bluenorthwest Mar 2014 #167

That's some pretty rich bullshit TomClash Mar 2014 #172

Totally agree Pooka. DU should not accept right-wing memes and policy just because ... Scuba Mar 2014 #144

Exactly! nt laundry_queen Mar 2014 #186

"Fuck your...anti-white privilege arguments?" Eleanors38 Mar 2014 #148

This is pretty much like people yelling USA, USA, USA! Captain Stern Mar 2014 #150

My piranha pool is being cleaned Token Republican Mar 2014 #151

The snaggle-toothed gun nuts are in full crazy mode on this thread Politicub Mar 2014 #152

Rec times 1000 - way the fuck rec!!! n/t SpankMe Mar 2014 #169