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my wife and I are as left/liberal as always - but it is breathtaking to see how right-ward NRaleighLiberal Feb 2014 #1
Yes, as Bill Maher said.. whathehell Feb 2014 #5
I'm a liberal product of the Sixties also. No doubt about President Obama A Simple Game Feb 2014 #40
Citation needed! seattledo Feb 2014 #53
that might be putting words into his mouth.. iamthebandfanman Feb 2014 #62
Worse: Joe Lieberman was his "mentor"...he admits to that in one of his books. loudsue Mar 2014 #116
Agree. (Obama requested Lieberman as his mentor.) merrily Mar 2014 #133
TRUE...should have been another Signal as to where he was taking us. KoKo Mar 2014 #198
I wilfully ignored or rationalized away every signal. merrily Mar 2014 #199
You did not put words in his mouth. He's expressed admiration for Reagan merrily Mar 2014 #122
Methinks Reagan gets way too much credit rurallib Mar 2014 #157
and the Bush family hides in the shadows reddread Mar 2014 #160
Citation needed! It's called google.com, try it. A Simple Game Feb 2014 #93
So you admit to not having a source seattledo Feb 2014 #101
People posting on a political message board should be able to say merrily Mar 2014 #124
one of the hallmarks of DU (& one reason I've stuck around do long) Iris Mar 2014 #135
None of which contradicts anything that I said. merrily Mar 2014 #139
Wow, I get to have some comedy this morning. Reputable sources, how funny? A Simple Game Mar 2014 #154
Just google it. He was asked during the first campaign which President had influenced him sabrina 1 Feb 2014 #104
In the 2008 primary, he and Hillary both put Reagan on their top ten merrily Mar 2014 #121
Obama is soo FAR to The Right that he is ashamed to call himself a real DEMOCRAT. bvar22 Mar 2014 #180
. dionysus Mar 2014 #193
You are preaching to the choir, but sing it, sister. merrily Mar 2014 #200
So do you think the statement is false? What is your point, "really?" nm rhett o rick Mar 2014 #182
Hell, Obama is less liberal than Nixon. I never thought I'd see the day. nt Nay Feb 2014 #90
I take your point about Obama-and most Democratic politicians, for that matter, but merrily Mar 2014 #123
We have basically been turned into untouchables, the lowest caste in the Cleita Feb 2014 #17
"even though in members we are probably the majority." Tarheel_Dem Feb 2014 #41
You will see President Kucinich or Bernie Sanders if we get campaign finance reform Cleita Feb 2014 #45
But it doesn't show that they would vote for "President" Kucinich or Bernie Sanders. Tarheel_Dem Feb 2014 #51
Yes, the majority of the population, not only the majority of Dems. merrily Mar 2014 #126
Obama RAN as a Liberal... or at least a Working Class Populist in 2008, bvar22 Feb 2014 #84
Yep. merrily Mar 2014 #127
PLUS A BRAZILLION! Enthusiast Mar 2014 #155
not mistaken, lied to Doctor_J Mar 2014 #169
"...will now vote overwhelmingly liberal given the option" LiberalLovinLug Mar 2014 #188
yep. Phlem Mar 2014 #181
Thou thinketh WRONG. We ARE the majority without whom 'you guys' wouldn't come close to winning sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #108
This. Thanks. ancianita Mar 2014 #117
And, despite all the energy put into falsely declaring it a failure, merrily Mar 2014 #128
Just so everyone knows to take your grandiose proclamations with a HUGE grain of salt..... Tarheel_Dem Mar 2014 #208
We ARE the majority. And without Liberals, 'you guys' to quote you, could not win an election. sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #216
But HRC didn't say that "RT is now viewed by 50 mil US households". Sabrina did! Tarheel_Dem Mar 2014 #217
Your premise is false. Kucinich had electibility issues that had nothing to merrily Mar 2014 #125
your assertion is baseless reddread Mar 2014 #161
Really? Phlem Mar 2014 #185
Merrily's assertion is right on the money. Enthusiast Mar 2014 #194
no more than I can see a black man or a woman being unelectable reddread Mar 2014 #195
But John Edwards was electable? n/t reddread Mar 2014 #196
No, and he didn't win the primary, either. merrily Mar 2014 #204
He wasnt there to win anything n/t reddread Mar 2014 #219
that news was out in 2007 reddread Mar 2014 #220
The general election was my issue, not the primary. merrily Mar 2014 #202
Got paid? I wish. (I missed the part where Kucinich won the Dem primary, let alone merrily Mar 2014 #201
you can apply with this outfit if thats your kind of work reddread Mar 2014 #221
I know, I love how that insistence treestar Mar 2014 #172
Liberals, even in the majority, have an uphill battle against the corporate-centrists and rhett o rick Mar 2014 #184
Most of the corporate centrists who run are already in the 1%. merrily Mar 2014 #205
True you have to convince people happy with their economic situation treestar Mar 2014 #227
We are in a class war and those among us that favor corporations and corporation sponsored rhett o rick Mar 2014 #229
You'd think so wouldn't you? But that doesn't seem to be their goal. Far from it. Tarheel_Dem Mar 2014 #203
That insistence continues because polling reinforces it again and again. merrily Mar 2014 #206
Polling, like the ones where they vote? treestar Mar 2014 #228
Your rude emoticon so noted. Your side definitely has Citizens United on your side. rhett o rick Mar 2014 #183
Even here on DU if one suggests a candidate that is to the left and is INdemo Feb 2014 #55
I can't/won't speak for anyone else, but from my experience, age often NRaleighLiberal Feb 2014 #58
Bingo ...The younger generation too. INdemo Feb 2014 #85
yes...we've found that, also. And finally tuned it out..... KoKo Feb 2014 #100
Bingo again! The whole follower thing is stunning to us.... NRaleighLiberal Feb 2014 #102
"This instrument can teach" zeemike Mar 2014 #156
Those DARK DAYS OF J. EDGAR HOOVER............. KoKo Mar 2014 #197
Yes, that was a tactic we won't be falling for anymore. In fact if I see that from now on, THAT is sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #109
It was the same here in VA when a very viable Dem challenged Eric Cantor. Nay Mar 2014 #151
The WORST example of this happened in the Arkansas Democratic Primary, 2010. bvar22 Mar 2014 #186
I remember that, and as long as the national Dems do stuff like this (or Nay Mar 2014 #191
That election told me that the Democratic party today really is the LiberalArkie Mar 2014 #226
That's the approved meme. merrily Mar 2014 #207
Some of the Left buys into the "Not as bad" rationale of the 3rd Way Centrists. Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2014 #2
...^ 840high Feb 2014 #7
Yup...I'm not buying though... truebrit71 Feb 2014 #9
Then we'd be conservative Democrats and I don't buy that for a NY second Warpy Feb 2014 #78
+1 harun Feb 2014 #87
I think many on the Left are beginning to examine the "lesser evil" theory versus merrily Mar 2014 #209
Yes. rrneck Feb 2014 #3
The Social Threads of our Society are Pulling Apart...Our Commonality is KoKo Feb 2014 #26
Yep. You can see it happen right here. rrneck Feb 2014 #63
We stopped supporting our Unions and our Unions got Infiltrated and Corrupted KoKo Feb 2014 #72
We lost the hard hats. rrneck Feb 2014 #74
Excellent Point...when Labor loses the Average Laborer who does KoKo Feb 2014 #77
If you write it, I'll read it. nt rrneck Feb 2014 #80
Not "we." I never stopped supporting unions. Politicians stopped. merrily Mar 2014 #129
this ^^^ Iris Mar 2014 #137
A couple of points: JaneyVee Feb 2014 #4
In my state the TeaBaggers had bags of money/strong ideological support KoKo Feb 2014 #23
IMO, we won't get money dotymed Feb 2014 #59
I think America will get to the point when Third Party as Counterbalance KoKo Feb 2014 #95
the electorate is going to have to mature into post-partisan politics reddread Mar 2014 #153
Anyone jumping in had better be a saint.... daleanime Feb 2014 #44
That's another problem why newbie people are reluctant to run. KoKo Feb 2014 #52
They could be a saint or they could be tough, but they better know where the money merrily Mar 2014 #136
Saint? Gary 50 Mar 2014 #167
You and I don't disagree..... daleanime Mar 2014 #178
I agree. Gary 50 Mar 2014 #192
Sorry swilton Feb 2014 #56
+1 million treestar Feb 2014 #65
The system has changed. merrily Mar 2014 #130
It's difficult to run against the corporate power structure of the DEmocratic Party machine. rhett o rick Mar 2014 #187
I don't agree that 80% of democrats 'want' Hillary for president. Those polls were Hillary V sabrina 1 Feb 2014 #6
What poll said "80 of Democrats want Hillary for president"? red dog 1 Feb 2014 #10
The one I saw was an NBC/CBS poll, pitting her against Repubs airc. sabrina 1 Feb 2014 #14
I, too, "won't be supporting any corporate candidate, or anyone who voted for the Iraq War" red dog 1 Feb 2014 #18
I would focus on Congress, which in the end is how to return power to the people. sabrina 1 Feb 2014 #39
^^THIS^^ SomethingFishy Feb 2014 #42
And would allow other steps to be taken. daleanime Feb 2014 #48
+ 1 red dog 1 Feb 2014 #89
Replace Debbie Wasserman-Schultz, for one thing. Maybe with Eliot Spitzer. ancianita Mar 2014 #118
state and local offices too justabob Mar 2014 #110
Yes, you are right, we need to be all over the place, electing only Progressive Dems and in the sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #112
Not many liberal Dems get a chance to run. merrily Mar 2014 #210
Not only did she vote for it, she dug her heels in, denying that closeupready Feb 2014 #38
Agreed. And add to that the people calling themselves liberal aren't really liberal. cui bono Feb 2014 #13
The OP touches on this. Maedhros Feb 2014 #21
"Liberal" and Democrat are interchangeable only in the RW lexicon. merrily Mar 2014 #211
I agree. HappyMe Feb 2014 #15
They started selling Hillary before the 2012 Presidential election. merrily Mar 2014 #132
The Democrats know they have to throw the unwashed masses Cleita Mar 2014 #158
"We're Eisenhower Republicans here," says Bill Clinton in a devastating Reed quote, red dog 1 Feb 2014 #8
The Harper's piece.... Bigmack Feb 2014 #11
I know...I read it and thought to myself...What's New! But that Harper's KoKo Feb 2014 #96
It's a good refresher jsr Mar 2014 #224
"social issues and identity politics at the expense of the economic questions" geek tragedy Feb 2014 #12
Point out where Moyers, now boxed and labeled by you, states that human rights for anyone sabrina 1 Feb 2014 #43
I doubt very much you've been appointed as spokesperson for geek tragedy Feb 2014 #67
Where is the link I requested? You made claims re Moyers, and btw, how do you know that sabrina 1 Feb 2014 #70
"how do you know that Moyers is 'heterosexual?'" geek tragedy Feb 2014 #73
Correction, YOU'RE done here. And just what is the significance of searching to find out sabrina 1 Feb 2014 #79
but the truth about themselves n/t reddread Mar 2014 #166
Not that it matters, but many homosexuals of his day married and had children. merrily Mar 2014 #131
Sickening, isn't it, to actually see this kind of thing creeping onto Democratic forums now. sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #162
... merrily Mar 2014 #213
Sickening, isn't it, to actually see this kind of thing creeping onto Democratic forums now. sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #162
I read and saw the same thing, GT Number23 Feb 2014 #105
Ah, that makes sense. I cringe whenever I see that geek tragedy Feb 2014 #106
Most people with a knowledge of history and who are not narow, thoughtless and selfish Number23 Mar 2014 #107
I see your point treestar Mar 2014 #170
they do that, but the solution is to end systemic racism geek tragedy Mar 2014 #176
ah here comes the Moyers bashing. he's white, so his criticism of Obama Doctor_J Mar 2014 #171
1) Moyers apparently didn't say this, so that was my error; 2) your comment geek tragedy Mar 2014 #177
I agree, but noone wants to admit to or listen to the problems Puzzledtraveller Feb 2014 #16
The Left has always identified with the truth and reality. Rex Feb 2014 #19
What left? Comrade Grumpy Feb 2014 #20
The American Left wants economic and social justice, Maedhros Feb 2014 #22
This. n/t jtuck004 Feb 2014 #24
Yep, Classic Red here too... socialist_n_TN Feb 2014 #64
+1 Blue_Tires Feb 2014 #66
Being allied with the Democratic Party makes you a Democrat, not necessarily merrily Mar 2014 #145
Is it by design that "social issues and identity politics" suck almost all the air from politics? nt proverbialwisdom Feb 2014 #25
most likely mopinko Feb 2014 #30
In the sense that polarization sucks the air out Debate and Discussion... KoKo Feb 2014 #32
No, but thanks for asking Iliyah Feb 2014 #27
yes, and the article makes a strong case (The Harper's piece) cali Feb 2014 #29
I don't think support for Hillary Clinton demonstrates that the left has surrendered... C0RYH0FFMAN Feb 2014 #28
We haven't been able to do that with Obama. grasswire Feb 2014 #91
What do you mean by 'we'? Obama ran as an opponent of marriage equality, we moved Bluenorthwest Mar 2014 #225
There is are separate groups here supernova Feb 2014 #31
, blkmusclmachine Feb 2014 #33
Commie! adirondacker Feb 2014 #49
To me....much of the Dem leadership is nothing more than con men and hucksters. Give people a few... yourout Feb 2014 #34
No. They are just too afraid to break away from the home they know, jtuck004 Feb 2014 #35
Well....Dems sure could use a spine replacement! SoapBox Feb 2014 #36
k and r. bbgrunt Feb 2014 #37
I will NEVER surrender heaven05 Feb 2014 #46
The biggest issue we have is that the right has gone so far right... Lobo27 Feb 2014 #47
Hey Bill! You can always try these guys, I hear they're taking over Senate & House seats everywhere. Tarheel_Dem Feb 2014 #50
I take it academics wasn't your strong suit brentspeak Feb 2014 #68
Ooooh, insults from some random internet dude. I'm crushed! Tarheel_Dem Feb 2014 #75
Quite the sexist photobucket account you dredged that up from. nt adirondacker Feb 2014 #76
And so they should, since the dems don't want to touch the real problems!n/t sadoldgirl Feb 2014 #83
None of this will change until... freebrew Feb 2014 #54
once in a while it would be nice to vote FOR someone and not just against the repub dembotoz Feb 2014 #57
Then do that, merrily Mar 2014 #214
I thought we weren't going to show asses on magazine covers in GD anymore? aikoaiko Feb 2014 #60
This old New Deal/Great Society/War-On-Poverty Democrat hasn't surrendered! bvar22 Feb 2014 #61
"genuinely left-wing movement." Spitfire of ATJ Feb 2014 #69
Never and those that want us to can sit and spin TheKentuckian Feb 2014 #71
A little Petty might do us all some good... adirondacker Feb 2014 #81
What's that Cracker know about self-determination? Eleanors38 Mar 2014 #111
Depends on the definition of "left" sadoldgirl Feb 2014 #82
Don't worry, the 1% is covered... adirondacker Feb 2014 #86
thank you for that caution grasswire Feb 2014 #94
This is fucking crazy! L0oniX Feb 2014 #88
She's the Comfortable Choice..."The Known of the Unknowns" of which KoKo Feb 2014 #98
Many have traded civility for corruption Corruption Inc Feb 2014 #92
Republicans are political geniuses, run laps around Dems WhaTHellsgoingonhere Feb 2014 #97
Well...Some think the Two Parties have MERGED....so KoKo Feb 2014 #99
EZ to be a "genius" when there's no opposition. Eleanors38 Mar 2014 #113
Actually, Republicans owe their success to the takeover of the Beltway Media.... Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2014 #189
they have long-term money mdbl Mar 2014 #218
about the money WhaTHellsgoingonhere Mar 2014 #223
If you can get a "left winger" to swallow the Drone Program for 8 years... Bonobo Feb 2014 #103
I don't swallow it, but I don't know how to stop it, either. merrily Mar 2014 #134
Well it's true that it would require a fairly radical action. Bonobo Mar 2014 #138
Your leaving the country, though, did not stop the drone killing. merrily Mar 2014 #140
I agree. It is beyond any individual. Bonobo Mar 2014 #141
Which year did you move out of the country? merrily Mar 2014 #142
End of 2009. When I realized the electing a Dem didn't change what I wanted it to. Bonobo Mar 2014 #143
Oh, I thought you meant you had moved because of the drones. merrily Mar 2014 #144
Well I had wanted to move back to Japan for a long time. Bonobo Mar 2014 #146
And "off the table" did come very quickly. both merrily Mar 2014 #148
Oh, how they wish! ReRe Mar 2014 #114
K&R. JDPriestly Mar 2014 #115
I am a real lefty: in the 20% who recognize that Clinton JimDandy Mar 2014 #119
Also, politics seems to have become a religion. merrily Mar 2014 #120
K&Rē Solly Mack Mar 2014 #147
The Truth Teamster Jeff Mar 2014 #149
du rec. xchrom Mar 2014 #150
y'all have got to read hedges' "death of the liberal class." tomp Mar 2014 #152
RW rhetoric to the contrary, the power structure of the Democratic Party merrily Mar 2014 #215
if you read the book you won't be able to say that. tomp Mar 2014 #222
and this is what my other thread was talking about..... TeamPooka Mar 2014 #159
No, it only been systematically banned from mainstream media. gtar100 Mar 2014 #164
In many ways, collectively yes, individually no stupidicus Mar 2014 #165
politics is now corporate business, voters are captive customers in a monopoly of pragmatic_dem Mar 2014 #168
RE: You're first sentence, I would disagree....... socialist_n_TN Mar 2014 #173
Thanks, and agree, it's like BP saying they care about the environment, more slogan than policy- nt pragmatic_dem Mar 2014 #174
Yes, more slogan than policy..... socialist_n_TN Mar 2014 #175
The coup de grace will be after the election... kentuck Mar 2014 #179
I think it will be after the Mid-Terms..but...you are probably correct.... KoKo Mar 2014 #190
The answer to this part is simple flamingdem Mar 2014 #212
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