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Igel

(35,864 posts)
29. Meh.
Sat Mar 1, 2014, 12:48 PM
Mar 2014

As usual, he tilts at his usual foes and forgets that those foes may like what they do but also have good reasons for what they do.

Large class size? In '77 I was in freshmen classes at a small 4-year school. My humanities class had 40 or 50. My freshmen classes otherwise had 350-400.

The sophomore classes had 40-50 or more. Some were in large lecture halls. What he's seeing is an elite school adopting non-elite practices, and he's noticing the change for the first time. (He does that in linguistics quite a bit. What doesn't fit doesn't exist; what isn't important to him isn't.)

But he's also missing the reason for the need for flexibility. That's this idea brought in by students and parents and politicians that the academy needs to be responsive to demands. Reduce the core courses--have more flexible requirements. Fads and trends make class sizes unpredictable, makes staffing levels in departments sometimes out of whack.

So in the late '80s and early '90s there was a huge demand for Russian courses. History, language, culture. The small program I was in went from having a TA for 1st year and a TA for second year, with a professor for 3rd and 4th year, to having 5 TAs for 1st year (and my 8 a.m. class had 35 students in it on the first day!). The following year there were 5 1st year TAs and 3 or 4 2nd year TAs. The Russian history prof taught not a general history intro class and 15 Russian history students but two sections of 80 or 90 students. Etc.

Five years later the school was down to 1 first year TA, 1 second year TA, and the Russian history prof was back to a general "European history" class and 10-15 students in his Russian history class.

A different school 5 years later saw the English dept. swamped. Average class size was huge. "My" dept. had an average class size of < 20, and that included averaging in a 150-student introduction to whatever class. Lots of classes with 5-10 students, and if you cancelled them the tenured faculty would have no courses. The administration was scavenging money to hire faculty, and that meant TAs and adjuncts. Why? They'd learned that if they hire tenured faculty demand would probably shift and they'd be stuck with another dept. with huge class sizes and two depts. with ridiculously small class sizes.

Having a required curriculum a la '50s and early '60s got around this problem. But lots of people wanted flexibility for their students, and that requires flexibility on the part of faculty and universities. They want their kids to get good grades and demand good grades, so faculty are stuck dealing with complaints and having the provost get involved and the "customer's always right." Parents want their kids to be job-ready when they graduate, and that means workplace skills. Critical thinking is hard and requires a lot of facts, a lot of training, and kids really can't learn it much in high school (requires too much background, overhead, self-inhibition) and don't have the factual background to learn it in college. (Or the self-discipline.)

Wow, 'greater worker insecurity'! postulater Mar 2014 #1
Polar opposite of FDR's plan within a second bill of rights... rwsanders Mar 2014 #49
Chomsky knows what time it is... KG Mar 2014 #2
... xchrom Mar 2014 #4
Yep. jsr Mar 2014 #42
Wish he'd lend his watch to some people. merrily Mar 2014 #54
If you aren't a superstar prof bringing in millions, you can forget tenure. reformist2 Mar 2014 #3
AbsoluteLy true Helen Borg Mar 2014 #22
Full professors whoring themselves out like one-sided expert witnesses Divernan Mar 2014 #5
+1 an entire shit load! Enthusiast Mar 2014 #10
Been there, seen it. Thanks for the knowledge. nt adirondacker Mar 2014 #34
that's why it's so *vital* to insist that any inspection of where a science's money is coming MisterP Mar 2014 #35
Excellent article. I especially like this part: LuvNewcastle Mar 2014 #6
Yes. It's one hell of a good article. People! Recommend this. Enthusiast Mar 2014 #8
When I was in academia, we used to say: Lydia Leftcoast Mar 2014 #46
Once again. This post should have hundreds of recommendations. Enthusiast Mar 2014 #7
it's not 'sexy' enough for most people. nt xchrom Mar 2014 #9
They need to change their priorities. Enthusiast Mar 2014 #11
I kick every education thread I see when I'm on DU but there's definitely a lack of interest here riderinthestorm Mar 2014 #16
I've asked before if Princeton will be around in 5yrs? I'm glad Chomsky admits there is a problem CK_John Mar 2014 #12
Your Reply is the real meaning of Trickle-Down, in my opinion. DhhD Mar 2014 #19
yet another emo fire bagger disparaging american greatness noiretextatique Mar 2014 #13
! xchrom Mar 2014 #14
BP funded several marine biology departments to buy their studies of the Gulf after Dustlawyer Mar 2014 #15
K&R nt raouldukelives Mar 2014 #17
Nothing helps "worker insecurity" better than destroying unions rurallib Mar 2014 #18
During the Reagan Administration, this was called the reconstruction era. DhhD Mar 2014 #24
Another issue... profs who bring in big research dollars are often not good instructors groundloop Mar 2014 #20
Here's the problem malaise Mar 2014 #21
Thank you for posting this. yardwork Mar 2014 #23
Excellent article. northoftheborder Mar 2014 #25
Research and education should be split FarCenter Mar 2014 #26
Highly recommend. I love this man...K&R for Professor Chomsky. Jefferson23 Mar 2014 #27
I parted ways with Academe in the 80's after some years of floating around Jackpine Radical Mar 2014 #28
Meh. Igel Mar 2014 #29
thanks for the capitalist machine perspective tiny elvis Mar 2014 #47
K&R woo me with science Mar 2014 #30
What about administrators? moondust Mar 2014 #31
From my experience at a university..... llmart Mar 2014 #33
Do you happen to know moondust Mar 2014 #36
I have not done any research on this..... llmart Mar 2014 #38
does your university's sports teams broadcast on right wing radio, like many? see post below certainot Mar 2014 #45
That particular post is very disjointed..... llmart Mar 2014 #48
The post makes a signifcant point. Enthusiast Mar 2014 #52
That may be true..... llmart Mar 2014 #56
rw radio is ALEC's best weapon for attacking and privatizing education. and it's not about advertiz certainot Mar 2014 #57
K&R liberal_at_heart Mar 2014 #32
k and r. Faculty no longer have much say in even curriculum matters. bbgrunt Mar 2014 #37
k&r Doremus Mar 2014 #39
Chomsky just doesn't get it. The only thing that matters is that a small group of people Dark n Stormy Knight Mar 2014 #40
, blkmusclmachine Mar 2014 #41
K & R Lifelong Protester Mar 2014 #43
universities are also destroying themselves by supporting rw radio. they take a few thousand certainot Mar 2014 #44
+1 a whole bunch! Enthusiast Mar 2014 #53
The Trilateral Commission! fleabiscuit Mar 2014 #50
And don't overlook the impact of the Koch brothers buying off departments lock stock and barrel BlueStreak Mar 2014 #51
... merrily Mar 2014 #55
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