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nadinbrzezinski

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116. Because believe it or not they will come back crying like little kids

Thu Mar 22, 2012, 09:00 PM

Mar 2012

when the Chinese government finds it convenient to take them toys away from them.

It's happened in the past.

What I find incredible is that you are defending these policies. That is what I find incredible.

I get it, why they and Dell, and J Crew and the rest are doing that. It is not sustainable...

Perhaps you should consider, and I am very serious on this, the consequences of what you are advocating right at the moment. I mean the full consequences, not just to insert transnational here.

By the way I hope their full move to China costs them everything. As is, well it already is

http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRKldBGvbQmB6akyRAY6KHC0zmXV0Bsu9UjBdQJkJ4OweceBhzlkQ

http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSllie72yU9POXfsCKbUg9vsanh1kK-wx6Ci4vpV3Ynj2VAuubK

Any similarities to any product you love are NOT coincidental. Guess what the afternoon shift at Foxxcon does? Yup, build clones We have a name for that, but hey... I will not bother trying to explain it to you. I hope it costs them every red cent. Then maybe they will come back crying.

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This message was self-deleted by its author [View all] Tesha Mar 2012 OP

How about we just close the loopholes and they be taxed in America? nt Snake Alchemist Mar 2012 #1

This message was self-deleted by its author Tesha Mar 2012 #2

It's St. Paddies week so we're dancing the "Irish Two Step" here.... Pholus Mar 2012 #4

What we really need is a tax holiday. Snake Alchemist Mar 2012 #7

Good link! I missed that one, though I remember that particular bunch of lobbying! Pholus Mar 2012 #8

I'm against granting a tax holiday. Chan790 Mar 2012 #21

I was of course joking. nt Snake Alchemist Mar 2012 #33

Yeah.. and that's half of what they should be paying... SomethingFishy Mar 2012 #20

Because they don't need us any more. Lizzie Poppet Mar 2012 #42

Amen /nt think Mar 2012 #43

Yep. Cultish is right. Muskypundit Mar 2012 #96

Lies, damned lies and statistics. LanternWaste Mar 2012 #54

This message was self-deleted by its author Tesha Mar 2012 #73

Thanks for admitting that Apple is no longer an American company. Pholus Mar 2012 #3

So that they can continue to have access to our copyright/TM and legal protections leveymg Mar 2012 #5

They should definitely let the Chinese protect their intellectual property rights. shcrane71 Mar 2012 #15

It's potential leverage over the multinationals, and should be used as such by the federal gov't leveymg Mar 2012 #19

Why should they , if tarrifs for moving someting into China is 20% and moving someting into the U S RDANGELO Mar 2012 #6

This message was self-deleted by its author Tesha Mar 2012 #48

The U.S has been the worlds bitch when it comes to "free trade" Muskypundit Mar 2012 #98

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Isn't that always the excuse used about unions? nt Snake Alchemist Mar 2012 #113

You've noticed the "cheap labor" arguments underlying this too.... Pholus Mar 2012 #115

so Apple should build in China. What on earth for? Progressive dog Mar 2012 #9

Here, let me help you understand the mindset of the Apple fan. trotsky Mar 2012 #13

I certainly hope you don't do this for free. Ikonoklast Mar 2012 #10

I think this post shows this *has* to be done for free... Pholus Mar 2012 #11

Doing Apple's work for free is probably the only way to repatriate their manufacturing. Liberal Veteran Mar 2012 #18

I dunno. It's cheaper if you work em to death for free then harvest their organs too. Pholus Mar 2012 #65

Don't forget to take a bonus if you take out "Dead Peasants Insurance" first. Liberal Veteran Mar 2012 #70

and then make some soylent green out of what's left. Pholus Mar 2012 #72

Brand loyalty taken to extremes is creepy varelse Mar 2012 #139

Why???? bowens43 Mar 2012 #12

How would that effect the cost of Apple products in the US? Puzzledtraveller Mar 2012 #14

This message was self-deleted by its author savalez Mar 2012 #108

It probably wouldn't, because they don't seem to be savalez Mar 2012 #109

I will attest that many people have I-Phones davidpdx Mar 2012 #16

They will move production back to the U.S. when... Javaman Mar 2012 #17

...or when we end our "free-trade" policies whole-hog. Chan790 Mar 2012 #23

Stop bringing reality into the discussion. Javaman Mar 2012 #28

'This American Life' did a retraction show last week RZM Mar 2012 #36

guess they can take the suicide nets down then /nt think Mar 2012 #37

That doesn't speak to my point at all RZM Mar 2012 #40

That must be why Foxconn is opening 5 new Ipad factories in Brazil: think Mar 2012 #41

Ahhhhh, the barn door AFTER the horses have left argument then.... Pholus Mar 2012 #58

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Because JustAnotherGen Mar 2012 #22

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Wow. An answer to the CARBON question. Guess the other ones are too hard, huh? Pholus Mar 2012 #29

And I'm an insider JustAnotherGen Mar 2012 #53

With free trade policies currently in place, the answer is most definitely no. Selatius Mar 2012 #24

The NYTIMES quoted the increased price if they WERE manufactured here. Pholus Mar 2012 #26

Insightful, thanks. Puzzledtraveller Mar 2012 #30

It's not the greed that bothers me, it's the apparent pride in it... Pholus Mar 2012 #32

I agree completely Puzzledtraveller Mar 2012 #76

It's not apple, it's systemic nadinbrzezinski Mar 2012 #84

True, but only Apple gets this kind of fawning headlines here. Pholus Mar 2012 #91

That is because J Crew or Hilfinger nadinbrzezinski Mar 2012 #92

So my childhood memories were an abberation. That's just depressing... ;) Pholus Mar 2012 #94

From the data nadinbrzezinski Mar 2012 #106

This is why I favor competitive tariffs, as opposed to exorbitantly high ones. Selatius Mar 2012 #34

That tariff sounds like the Fordney–McCumber Tariff of 1922 (the 'scientific tariff') pampango Mar 2012 #87

You keep pushing this war against tariffs but you forget one thing. Zalatix Mar 2012 #121

I would say gross income inequality was due to a lack of market regulation, not tariffs. Selatius Mar 2012 #129

I'm not sure those numbers are accurate. hughee99 Mar 2012 #67

It is a single source, indeed, but playing with the numbers sounds kind of reasonable... Pholus Mar 2012 #69

As long as you keep this to companies. nadinbrzezinski Mar 2012 #81

Yeahto handy hannah Mar 2012 #27

I assume you will now stop posting and using the internet because the machine former9thward Mar 2012 #39

Ahhh, the "let those who are without sin cast the first stone" argument. Pholus Mar 2012 #60

Always good to hear from my I Live To Hate Apple stalker. former9thward Mar 2012 #66

Hehehe. Stalker. You can't argue ANYTHING without name calling. Pholus Mar 2012 #68

If they want to continue to lay claim to being the first viable PC, they should make stuff here. HopeHoops Mar 2012 #31

we should exploit cheap labor, lax environmental laws, and loose tax structures think Mar 2012 #35

I believe response #50 says that that's the case... Pholus Mar 2012 #61

I do have to wonder if answers would differ, in either direction, dmallind Mar 2012 #38

This message was self-deleted by its author Tesha Mar 2012 #46

AKA the "everybody does it so it's okay" argument. Pholus Mar 2012 #64

I have no idea what you think was "shredded" but I doubt it was relevant dmallind Mar 2012 #80

Binary ("either/or") thinking will not work here. Pholus Mar 2012 #89

Umm, patriotism? pscot Mar 2012 #44

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All rights and no responsibilites pscot Mar 2012 #49

This message was self-deleted by its author Tesha Mar 2012 #51

Yup. Just in their nature to be exploitative. Gotta love them for it in fact. Pholus Mar 2012 #62

Because americans should prefer american products. n/t lumberjack_jeff Mar 2012 #45

This message was self-deleted by its author Tesha Mar 2012 #52

They should and they do. lumberjack_jeff Mar 2012 #55

And by your OP argument, don't let the door smack you on the way out... Pholus Mar 2012 #63

OK, fine. Move the company to China and slap a huge fucking import tariff Dreamer Tatum Mar 2012 #56

This message was self-deleted by its author Tesha Mar 2012 #71

Vultures dislike the ethical responsibility of taxes. LanternWaste Mar 2012 #57

This message was self-deleted by its author Tesha Mar 2012 #74

One wonders why they bother with a connection here at all. Oh yeah, lawyers. Pholus Mar 2012 #78

this stood out to me. Sea-Dog Mar 2012 #59

This message was self-deleted by its author Tesha Mar 2012 #75

it would have been useful if u had a arguement. Sea-Dog Mar 2012 #85

This message was self-deleted by its author Tesha Mar 2012 #86

Even by Chinese standards, Foxconn's wages are not considered very good. girl gone mad Mar 2012 #88

sounding like a rich individual that turns the other cheek Sea-Dog Mar 2012 #90

This message was self-deleted by its author Tesha Mar 2012 #93

Your junkheap because advertising makes you buy new stuff.... Pholus Mar 2012 #95

the library Sea-Dog Mar 2012 #99

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As usual, backed into a corner and we see the classy side come out. Pholus Mar 2012 #111

another post of fail. Sea-Dog Mar 2012 #122

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In a trashbin. Pholus Mar 2012 #141

I say let them move the whole company nadinbrzezinski Mar 2012 #77

I apologize for what I said earlier to you. Pholus Mar 2012 #79

I have been mulling this myself nadinbrzezinski Mar 2012 #82

Shh over here, here are a few other companies doing this nadinbrzezinski Mar 2012 #83

it really stinks fascisthunter Mar 2012 #103

I dunno...Might have something to do with it's an American company? Blue_Tires Mar 2012 #97

Not if it is an American Company fascisthunter Mar 2012 #101

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you asked why... did you expect folks here to somehow ignore facts fascisthunter Mar 2012 #107

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Tone deaf! Tone deaf! Tone deaf! Pholus Mar 2012 #114

Because believe it or not they will come back crying like little kids nadinbrzezinski Mar 2012 #116

I'll tell you why, because basically your question was asked in order to defend Apples's activities. bluesbassman Mar 2012 #117

You asked a deceptive question that ignores Union Scribe Mar 2012 #136

This message was self-deleted by its author Tesha Mar 2012 #140

Why? Because it was, in significant part, built on taxpayer provided infratstructure cali Mar 2012 #104

Oh don't bring THAT up cali... bluesbassman Mar 2012 #118

They can build wherever the hell they like. Just don't expect generosity from the tax man. 2ndAmForComputers Mar 2012 #112

Because they moved out of the US while we were their biggest market, that's why. Zalatix Mar 2012 #119

China's emergence as an economic powerhouse... krispos42 Mar 2012 #120

Heaven knows China's market is closed to America's working class. Zalatix Mar 2012 #123

This message was self-deleted by its author Tesha Mar 2012 #125

Chinese growth compared to "the decline of American Exceptionalism" right Tesha? Pholus Mar 2012 #127

Until fair wages, fair profits and fair trade become the rule, not the exception for the world JCMach1 Mar 2012 #130

This message was self-deleted by its author Tesha Mar 2012 #131

You can't prove THAT with a link. Pholus Mar 2012 #134

500% was hyperbole, but it is no joke with some Chineses products sold in America... JCMach1 Mar 2012 #142

I actually meant the Samsung worship posts..... Pholus Mar 2012 #143

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By "thousands" you mean about 2500. Doesn't sound as impressive, does it. Pholus Mar 2012 #135

You're good, but Hannah still managed these kinds of things better. Practice makes perfect! apocalypsehow Mar 2012 #137

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I think they should bring slaves in by ship to make them myself The Straight Story Mar 2012 #144

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