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pampango

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3. I don't think that state/provincial governments get to invite foreign armies in.
Sat Mar 1, 2014, 10:10 PM
Mar 2014
Do western planners truly believe that Russia will let an long time ally's government be violently over thrown, and walk away when assistance is requested to keep the peace?

How do you figure that Yanukovych was "violently overthrown"?

After months of massive, sustained public protests through a Ukrainian winter, he agreed to remain in office until early elections in December and to use security forces to protect public buildings.

What did he do? Rather than remain in office and do his job with the protection of the security forces but likely lose the election, he decided to pursue a different strategy.

Within hours of signing the agreement with the protesters (with the police, army and security forces firmly under his control), he hastily abandoned his residence and left Kiev. Before leaving he ordered security forces to not protect public buildings. Why issue an order contradicting the agreement he had just signed? He (and Putin?) hoped that images of mobs burning and looting public buildings would create an image of lawlessness and violence that could be used to justify military intervention. Of course the looting and burning did not happen (much to the surprise of Yanukovych and Putin), but that did not change the spin.

If he had simply lived up to the agreement he signed with the protesters 8 days ago, he would be sitting in Kiev running the government pending elections in December.

I don't think so, and so I am really curious where our planners think they are taking us with all this saber rattling.

What saber rattling have you head. I have not heard one government official say one word about using the military to respond to Russia's use of the military.

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The MSM? RobertEarl Mar 2014 #1
I know, what do I expect from them jackals? Wet Willie Mar 2014 #2
If a foreign country had soldiers in this country without the government's approval mythology Mar 2014 #5
It is a battle, yes RobertEarl Mar 2014 #9
I don't think that state/provincial governments get to invite foreign armies in. pampango Mar 2014 #3
The Autonomous Republic of Crimea's local government & the democratically elected leader of Ukraine Wet Willie Mar 2014 #7
The Governor of Alabama may think he can invite in foreign armies. That does not mean he can. pampango Mar 2014 #10
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I read up on Crimea. It's governing is entirely subordinated Pretzel_Warrior Mar 2014 #52
thank you for a reasonable response to the Putin propaganda. There are many who have okaawhatever Mar 2014 #50
Comrade Putin appreciates your support. NT Adrahil Mar 2014 #4
This message was self-deleted by its author Pretzel_Warrior Mar 2014 #20
I think such an OTT & rude post should come with some proof, it'll be interesting to see yours. nt. polly7 Mar 2014 #32
Here you go Pretzel_Warrior Mar 2014 #34
Just as I thought. But I bet it felt great! Good for you. nt. polly7 Mar 2014 #35
Look, the majority in the Crimea welcome Russian troops but cali Mar 2014 #6
Don't forget Wet Willie Mar 2014 #8
Yanukovych was impeached. Adrahil Mar 2014 #48
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Considering our how many countries we've stuck our noses (and military) into Jake Stern Mar 2014 #11
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One area where Libertarians have Democrats beat: Anti-Interventionism Jake Stern Mar 2014 #30
. dionysus Mar 2014 #42
Russia has tanks on the ground in Ukraine Jenoch Mar 2014 #12
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The guy has been a member since today Pretzel_Warrior Mar 2014 #17
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I am mostly posting from an iPod, Jenoch Mar 2014 #33
Here may be the source of your confusion. Chan790 Mar 2014 #16
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He was impeached by a vote of the Ukrainian parliament. That kinda destroys your argument. nt stevenleser Mar 2014 #25
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That has no bearing on the impeachment. He has no part in that process even if he had been there. stevenleser Mar 2014 #29
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Now you are raising the Ukrainian protesters to the status of "armed insurrection"? LMAO! stevenleser Mar 2014 #36
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Nice statements. Well put. But this poster Pretzel_Warrior Mar 2014 #19
It's like Bagdhad Bob in reverse Pretzel_Warrior Mar 2014 #22
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If you contribute to DU, the ignore feature is available Pretzel_Warrior Mar 2014 #27
It just got even better. The Ukrainian protesters were an "armed insurrection"! stevenleser Mar 2014 #37
I think what Pretzel Warrior is trying to say is that he/she trusts the M$M Fumesucker Mar 2014 #28
It's funny. When Ukrainians were protesting Pretzel_Warrior Mar 2014 #38
I've spent a long time trying just to understand politics in the USA with limited success Fumesucker Mar 2014 #39
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da, comrade willie. dionysus Mar 2014 #43
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There are always reasons to justify unprovoked wars of aggression. Just ask George W. Bush. nt stevenleser Mar 2014 #24
Thankfully the M$M saved us by pointing out all the untruths the Cheney regency was telling Fumesucker Mar 2014 #44
I think the United States is wholly unsuited to comment on ANY country's invasion of another. Maedhros Mar 2014 #46
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Your unwillingness to call out Putin's actions says it all Pretzel_Warrior Mar 2014 #51
Putin sure gets a lotta love on DU these days. Say hi to Comrade Eddie! Tarheel_Dem Mar 2014 #53
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