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In reply to the discussion: There has been no 'invasion' of the Ukraine, yet our M$M seems to want everyone to believe there was [View all]pampango
(24,692 posts)10. The Governor of Alabama may think he can invite in foreign armies. That does not mean he can.
And unless Yanukovych has said something since his press conference in Russia, he did not request Russian military intervention. He said that Russia should do something, but stopped short of requesting military help.
Also, I have heard threats from almost all western governments, Obama even gave an unannounced press conf on Friday threatening Russia by saying that there will be costs if they move their troops into the Ukraine, and especially from the illegitimate gov in Kiev who are threatening to team up with terrorist and re-arm their nuclear weapons if their demands aren't met.
You have heard threats of the use of military force from "almost all western governments"? A few links please.
And Obama stated that there would be 'costs' for the Russian invasion. Can you not imagine 'costs' that do not involve the military?
Have you not see the videos of the violent, armed, protestors in Kiev?
Of course. Have you not seen videos of huge numbers of unarmed protesters? Some police were killed and that is bad. Many times more protesters were killed, so that is worse.
Some guys with rifles did not 'violently overthrow' Yanukovych. His security forces were highly disciplined and had effectively contained the protesters for months. After he signed the agreement with the protesters, all he had to do was order those security forces to protect government buildings (something he specifically agreed to do in the document he signed) and he would still be in Kiev today running the government. When protesters occupied government buildings, after Yanukovych decided that running was easier than staying, there was no violence involved because there did not have to be. He had ordered security forces to not protect the buildings.
He was not 'violently overthrown'. He 'overthrew' himself. He told security forces to let the protesters take over the government and then ran away. I hear Putin is pretty pissed with him. Can't say that I blame him.
My question stands though, were is the west heading with all this spin?
Where is the West headed with this Russian army takeover of one province of Ukraine? Perhaps Putin won't stop with just Crimea. What is the West trying to accomplish if Russia responds to more invitations from provincial, city, county or maybe a precinct official in parts of eastern Ukraine?
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There has been no 'invasion' of the Ukraine, yet our M$M seems to want everyone to believe there was [View all]
Wet Willie
Mar 2014
OP
If a foreign country had soldiers in this country without the government's approval
mythology
Mar 2014
#5
I don't think that state/provincial governments get to invite foreign armies in.
pampango
Mar 2014
#3
The Autonomous Republic of Crimea's local government & the democratically elected leader of Ukraine
Wet Willie
Mar 2014
#7
The Governor of Alabama may think he can invite in foreign armies. That does not mean he can.
pampango
Mar 2014
#10
thank you for a reasonable response to the Putin propaganda. There are many who have
okaawhatever
Mar 2014
#50
I think such an OTT & rude post should come with some proof, it'll be interesting to see yours. nt.
polly7
Mar 2014
#32
Considering our how many countries we've stuck our noses (and military) into
Jake Stern
Mar 2014
#11
He was impeached by a vote of the Ukrainian parliament. That kinda destroys your argument. nt
stevenleser
Mar 2014
#25
That has no bearing on the impeachment. He has no part in that process even if he had been there.
stevenleser
Mar 2014
#29
Now you are raising the Ukrainian protesters to the status of "armed insurrection"? LMAO!
stevenleser
Mar 2014
#36
It just got even better. The Ukrainian protesters were an "armed insurrection"!
stevenleser
Mar 2014
#37
I've spent a long time trying just to understand politics in the USA with limited success
Fumesucker
Mar 2014
#39
There are always reasons to justify unprovoked wars of aggression. Just ask George W. Bush. nt
stevenleser
Mar 2014
#24
Thankfully the M$M saved us by pointing out all the untruths the Cheney regency was telling
Fumesucker
Mar 2014
#44