Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News Editorials & Other Articles General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search

General Discussion

Showing Original Post only (View all)

yurbud

(39,405 posts)
Sun Mar 2, 2014, 02:02 AM Mar 2014

What will it take to stop our government from covertly overthrowing other governments? [View all]

Within my lifetime, we have made two great strides reducing our government's violence toward other countries: eliminating the draft, which makes it harder and more expensive to put a lot of troops into a conflict, and just recently, preventing direct intervention in Syria.

While not dropping bombs or putting boots on the ground in Syria was a major victory, it hasn't stopped our government from backing rebels, including the same kind of religious extremists we claim to be fighting in the War on Terror.

Our government is also backing right wing violence in Venezuela and the Ukraine.

While these actions may not result in the loss of the lives of any of our troops, the damage to the people in the targeted countries, and therefore the potential blowback for average Americans and our foreign policy is incalculable.

Sixty years later, we are still dealing with the negative effects of overthrowing the democratically elected government of Iran, and it took Chile and other South American countries decades to quietly and carefully pry the fingers of the blood-thirsty but business friendly dictators we installed.

You would think 9/11 would have been the wake up call to Americans that destroying other countries and installing puppet governments to make them obey Wall Street, banks, and oil companies can have fatal consequences.

In the Ukraine, our government is baiting a former superpower, who may not be a match for us in conventional weapons, but does still have quite a few nukes.

Russia ended the Cold War and gave up communism and the thanks Washington seems to be giving them is doing everything possible to reignite a Cold War with Russia, to dismember it piece by piece, and starve them of income by taking away their oil an gas exporting business.

If our government's long term strategy for Russia works or to the extent it already has worked, don't you think that will have consequences at least as severe as our meddling in Iran?

What will it take to stop these proxy wars and astroturf revolutions that will come back to bite us on the ass?

42 replies = new reply since forum marked as read
Highlight: NoneDon't highlight anything 5 newestHighlight 5 most recent replies
Success? jberryhill Mar 2014 #1
How is our gov't baiting the Ukraine? nt babylonsister Mar 2014 #2
we are baiting Russia by backing the right wing coup in the Ukraine yurbud Mar 2014 #6
There was a coup that had to be reacted to. babylonsister Mar 2014 #8
Ever notice we never seek out the peacemakers? Only those who can be bought. Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2014 #22
So if a group of diplomats have a phone call, they are directing a coup? stevenleser Mar 2014 #10
a) did you read the call and b) do you know the history of the last 60 years? yurbud Mar 2014 #13
I not only read it, I replayed it on my show and covered it extensively. stevenleser Mar 2014 #14
Its very clear the speakers are either controlling or negotiating with cprise Mar 2014 #17
No, it's very clear the speakers are negotiating with the UN and other world leaders to mediate the stevenleser Mar 2014 #19
Yes, they want the UN to sanction what they're doing cprise Mar 2014 #20
Thank You Yurbud! tech3149 Mar 2014 #34
We exist ergo we are baiting them! whistler162 Mar 2014 #30
Seriously, do you not know? tech3149 Mar 2014 #33
, blkmusclmachine Mar 2014 #3
End government corruption. Clean up elections to get better and more Cleita Mar 2014 #4
That's an interesting question Scootaloo Mar 2014 #5
I agree with most of your analysis except the evil empire stuff yurbud Mar 2014 #7
What I mean by that... Scootaloo Mar 2014 #9
when you read the declassified, behind the scenes stuff, it is surprisingly clear-eyed yurbud Mar 2014 #40
Even the NAZIS could be quite pragmatic in private yurbud Mar 2014 #41
Agreed again but I think you miss an important point tech3149 Mar 2014 #35
Defund the MIC. Tierra_y_Libertad Mar 2014 #11
how about ,no more wars til they find the last 8.5 trillion they lost? questionseverything Mar 2014 #18
that's a good idea yurbud Mar 2014 #24
Cut their budget substantially. democratisphere Mar 2014 #12
When it's no longer profitable they will stop. n/t defacto7 Mar 2014 #15
When we cease being an empire BainsBane Mar 2014 #16
Easy: End the Cold War Policy of the United States representing, promoting, and IMPOSING Capitalism. Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2014 #21
if we could just eliminate the third, that would be great--and get them to actually respect other yurbud Mar 2014 #23
It's like the World Bank - Designed to keep them in debt... Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2014 #27
Just Follow The Money! Preventing multinational wealthy RW 1% corporatists from buying legislators. Zorra Mar 2014 #25
stop voting for the candidates they put forward reddread Mar 2014 #26
Except that there are only two choices at General Election time: Zorra Mar 2014 #28
not true reddread Mar 2014 #29
It's always America's fault. Drunken Irishman Mar 2014 #31
Right Message, wrong message board reddread Mar 2014 #32
The US government has nothing to do with what happened in Ukraine. Spider Jerusalem Mar 2014 #36
LOL! Like hell they didn't! reformist2 Mar 2014 #37
Electing Obama clearly didn't do the trick. He may not be one of "them," but he hasn't stopped them. reformist2 Mar 2014 #38
This overthrow of Yanukovych has the CIA rusty fender Mar 2014 #39
Obama isn't an idiot, so either he's complicit or isn't actually in charge of his own foreign policy yurbud Mar 2014 #42
Latest Discussions»General Discussion»What will it take to stop...