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Showing Original Post only (View all)What fueled right wingers, fathers rights, mens' rights, gun rights & teabaggers into existence? [View all]
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Angry White Men, American Masculinity at the End of an Era, by Michael Kimmel, copyright 2013I'm currently reading this book, and it's amazing.
Here's the synopsis from the inside flap:
One of the enduring legacies of the 2012 presidential campaign was the demise of the white American male voter as a dominant force in the political landscape. On election night, after Obama was announced the winner, a distressed Bill O'Reilly lamented that he didn't live in "a traditional America anymore." He was joined by others who bellowed their grief on the talk radio airwaves, the traditional redoubt of angry white men. Why were they so angry? Sociologist Michael Kimmel, one of the leading writers on men and masculinity in the world today, has spent hundreds of hours in the company of America's angry white men - from men's rights activists to young students to white supremacists - in pursuit of an answer. Angry White Men presents a comprehensive diagnosis of their fears, anxieties, and rage.
Kimmel locates this increase in anger in the seismic economic, social, and political shifts that have so transformed the American landscape. Downward mobility, increased racial and gender equality, and a tenacious clinging to an anachronistic ideology of masculinity has left many men feeling betrayed and bewildered. Raised to expect unparalleled social and economic privilege, white men are suffering today from what Kimmel calls, "aggrieved entitlement": a sense that those benefits that white men believed were their due have been snatched away from them.
Angry White Men discusses, among others, the sons of small town America, scarred by underemployment and wage stagnation. When America's white men feel they've lived their lives the "right" way - worked hard and stayed out of trouble - and still do not get economic rewards, then they have to blame somebody else. Even more terrifying is the phenomenon of angry young boys. School shootings in the United States are not just the work of "misguided youth" or "troubled teens" - they're all committed by boys. These alienated young men are transformed into mass murderers by a sense of using violence against others is their right.
The future of America is more inclusive and diverse. The choice for angry white men is not whether or not they can stem the tide of history: they cannot. Their choice is whether or not they will be dragged kicking and screaming into that inevitable future, or whether they will walk honorably alongside those they've spent so long trying to exclude. By explaining their rage, Kimmel is able to point to a possible future that is healthier, happier, and much less angry.
He discusses the failure of the American Dream to materialize (and read that, white male American Dream, as there was no American Dream for anyone but white males). He addresses the Mens' "Rights" allegations that men get beaten up by women with the same frequency as women get beaten up by men, and analyzes it with all the available data (and of course finds it to be pure BS). He analyzes the attacks and accusations toward feminists and feminism. He covers all the basics, using an analytical point of view, and studies by the hundreds.
I strongly recommend it!
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What fueled right wingers, fathers rights, mens' rights, gun rights & teabaggers into existence? [View all]
Sarah Ibarruri
Mar 2014
OP
I believe it's mostly white right wing males that fear. In fact, if I remember correctly...
Sarah Ibarruri
Mar 2014
#2
Thank you for this amazing article! I'm passing it on. (also the funny video)
Sarah Ibarruri
Mar 2014
#145
"Not all white men are racist, right-wing gun nuts, but almost all racist, right-wing gun nuts are
Sarah Ibarruri
Mar 2014
#143
And I'd say that the overpreponderance of those angry white males are right wing
Sarah Ibarruri
Mar 2014
#9
Thanks for acknowledging "some" exceptions. And don't let the fact that there are ...
11 Bravo
Mar 2014
#295
To me (a white male) the mere fact that the majority of us support the greedy, racist GOP
nomorenomore08
Mar 2014
#30
Okay, then where's your brilliant solution for "solving" racism (and sexism, and homophobia)?
nomorenomore08
Mar 2014
#40
I guess I personally consider being "stereotyped" (as a white male) less important than
nomorenomore08
Mar 2014
#47
True. But given that negative stereotyping doesn't really affect my everyday life, it's not
nomorenomore08
Mar 2014
#50
At an ER it's called triage, at my work, it's called putting out fires...
Sarah Ibarruri
Mar 2014
#83
Actually, it is illogical that you've said it's illogical. I'm not 100% sure you understand
Sarah Ibarruri
Mar 2014
#114
No, she meant we can't spend all our time and energy worrying about offending those who are
nomorenomore08
Mar 2014
#256
Pardon me, but your point was not a point at all, and you asked no question
Sarah Ibarruri
Mar 2014
#82
I've seen you do quite a bit of stereotyping, so I find it rather shocking
Sarah Ibarruri
Mar 2014
#81
Not really. It's that you're using the fundies' cafeteria method of book review
Sarah Ibarruri
Mar 2014
#13
Yes, I do. I have read your posts. Unless you change your ideology daily...
Sarah Ibarruri
Mar 2014
#87
Kindly back up your bullshit subject line with ONE example from the book where the author
NYC_SKP
Mar 2014
#88
That wasn't directed at you (as you know), but you just can't stay away from me, can you? nt
Sarah Ibarruri
Mar 2014
#269
No, not really. In fact, fundies provide no proof except a fairy tale book..
Sarah Ibarruri
Mar 2014
#85
I gave a synopsis on a book. You're asking me to type out the book for you here?
Sarah Ibarruri
Mar 2014
#94
Of course I did. Why would I be posting the book if not? Are you going to? nt
Sarah Ibarruri
Mar 2014
#96
Everything revolves around studies and statistics. So what exactly are you talking about? nt
Sarah Ibarruri
Mar 2014
#101
Thank you for a kind and reasoned response, and especially for advice for how to learn more.
NYC_SKP
Mar 2014
#75
Yes. This thread is fascinating. It's the same little group of angry names. nt
Sarah Ibarruri
Mar 2014
#198
The onus is on the OP author to speak in clear terms, and when called on it to edit in accordingly.
NYC_SKP
Mar 2014
#178
I haven't see you this angry since gun control was talked about after Newtown
CreekDog
Mar 2014
#236
any search of your posts and "Obama" and/or "Trayvon" or "Martin" will show that
CreekDog
Mar 2014
#255
Men can't be angry for legitimate reasons that women are often angry about also?
polly7
Mar 2014
#14
You're making a silly argument. Read the book. It covers all your questions...
Sarah Ibarruri
Mar 2014
#16
Of course you won't. Anything that might threaten your world view is a threat
Sarah Ibarruri
Mar 2014
#21
Please post where I said I have not read the book. I have finished reading the book.
Sarah Ibarruri
Mar 2014
#190
I have completed the book. Hey, I get it that you're angry. You don't need to display it
Sarah Ibarruri
Mar 2014
#197
I'm ascribing only what you have made amply clear in all your posts on this thread. nt
Sarah Ibarruri
Mar 2014
#208
Not really. Read the book. This man has spent a rather lengthy time working on this
Sarah Ibarruri
Mar 2014
#17
Of course men have legitimate grievances in this society. The mistake many of them make
nomorenomore08
Mar 2014
#31
I'm not trying to "ramp up" anything. Just giving my opinion like you did.
nomorenomore08
Mar 2014
#260
I didn't know that. Perhaps with good reason. As said, "where there's smoke there's fire." nt
Sarah Ibarruri
Mar 2014
#192
It's very well researched and written. I'm considering giving it as gifts...
Sarah Ibarruri
Mar 2014
#19
Great Book. But you made up a Bigoted and Misleading OP Subject Line. And no link.
NYC_SKP
Mar 2014
#76
I strongly urge that you read it. That will clarify the following for you:
Sarah Ibarruri
Mar 2014
#93
The way they are behaving as if guns were prohibited, you betcha they are.
Sarah Ibarruri
Mar 2014
#26
So you deny that white American males have historically enjoyed tremendous unfair advantages?
nomorenomore08
Mar 2014
#41
You're kidding me, right? The very fact that you are saying this is untrue....
Sarah Ibarruri
Mar 2014
#194
You're pretending that white and male was not a privilege for most of the hiistory of the U.S. nt
Sarah Ibarruri
Mar 2014
#249
It seems rather like you're saying that anyone who is both male and white cannot possibly have
Marr
Mar 2014
#33
It's not that their frustrations are illegitimate, it's that they direct them at the wrong people
nomorenomore08
Mar 2014
#39
Exactly. If wages were to be what it is, it wouldn't explain it or excuse it...
Sarah Ibarruri
Mar 2014
#195
How did you arrive at that? You are erroneous in at least some the following:
Sarah Ibarruri
Mar 2014
#110
It was. This is not. In fact, the very studies employed by the angry anti-feminist male groups...
Sarah Ibarruri
Mar 2014
#209
For starters, as in AA, the most important issue is acknowledging the problem...
Sarah Ibarruri
Mar 2014
#116
The only solution is for awareness that there is a change, that life will not return
Sarah Ibarruri
Mar 2014
#201
If a post on a message board is the worst "bigotry" you've experienced this week - or this month -
nomorenomore08
Mar 2014
#37
No. Read the book. I keep getting people assuming they know the book without
Sarah Ibarruri
Mar 2014
#113
When you read the book, you'll find how well researched the thing is, and the incredible number of
Sarah Ibarruri
Mar 2014
#108
Indeed. The loss of the long-standing white male entitlement has given birth to rightwingerism...
Sarah Ibarruri
Mar 2014
#103
Downward mobility is fucking everyone over, and we need to do something about that
eridani
Mar 2014
#58
It's not "alienation" per se. It's a loss of white male privilege and entitlement present since
Sarah Ibarruri
Mar 2014
#98
Recent immigrants, from which huge swaths of the country are comprised,
My Good Babushka
Mar 2014
#123
The American caste system is changing and white right wing males are angry
Sarah Ibarruri
Mar 2014
#152
The only ones exclusing themselves from society, are the angry white males
Sarah Ibarruri
Mar 2014
#183
The solution is awareness of what these angry groups are doing, why they're doing it, and what
Sarah Ibarruri
Mar 2014
#203
Sarah, I think a lot of it may be the loss of jobs by so many white working class men..
whathehell
Mar 2014
#140
I think it's definitely part of it. A lot of it has to do with women, blacks, gay rights, and the
Sarah Ibarruri
Mar 2014
#147
How lucky! Well, to be honest, I think I must've gotten quite a few of "yours"
Sarah Ibarruri
Mar 2014
#78
god, that is a depressing stat. we need to make inroads with these people and jobs would do it...
bettyellen
Mar 2014
#165
Which is one huge reason the Rs have opposed any action to create decent jobs.
Dark n Stormy Knight
Mar 2014
#282
Especially when they have a huge percentage of Americans believing that it was the Dems
Dark n Stormy Knight
Mar 2014
#284
yep, just like Christie did with the GWB- fuck up services and blame a Dem...
bettyellen
Mar 2014
#285
Gotta hand it to them, they know what works and they aren't afraid to use it.
Dark n Stormy Knight
Mar 2014
#286
I saw the same thing locally- the campaign manager for a mayoral candidate called the opponent a
bettyellen
Mar 2014
#287
That is an example of the sort of thing that causes me to lose faith in humanity.
Dark n Stormy Knight
Mar 2014
#293
That mayoral candidate tried to hire me away (I was volunteering for the other guy) and offered me
bettyellen
Mar 2014
#294
It's vast and I'm here to introduce the book, not to teach you a class on it.
Sarah Ibarruri
Mar 2014
#126
The right to own firearms is a Civil Right enshrined in the Constitution (Bill of Rights).
NutmegYankee
Mar 2014
#122
I'm not discussing gun rights. This book discusses the mad popularity of gun rights now
Sarah Ibarruri
Mar 2014
#124
You have not read it, but are telling others what the book is or is not about. nt
Sarah Ibarruri
Mar 2014
#204
Amen. Koch ga$$$$oline fuels the angry white male groups and propaganda
Sarah Ibarruri
Mar 2014
#159
It's also an excellent explanation of what's holding us back as a country. nt
MrScorpio
Mar 2014
#146
Yes, did you notice? I have to go back over the posts and take note of who said what
Sarah Ibarruri
Mar 2014
#154
Actually, what I have said is modest and mild compared to what the book touches on
Sarah Ibarruri
Mar 2014
#206
I'm just someone who won't get pushed around by anyone. You don't like it, don't like it.
Sarah Ibarruri
Mar 2014
#213
looks interesting, thanks. we need more men voting Dem instead of against their best interests.
bettyellen
Mar 2014
#149
Yes we do. Thank God for the awesome lib men, of every color, religion, etc. nt
Sarah Ibarruri
Mar 2014
#153
Are you saying the writer of the book did a bad thing? Then please read the book. nt
Sarah Ibarruri
Mar 2014
#182
The book itself sets out to prove that mens' rights, fathers' rights, teabag, right wing extremist
Sarah Ibarruri
Mar 2014
#268
Fathers' rights groups aren't anger groups, they're parents' rights groups
TransitJohn
Mar 2014
#272
I wouldn't say that. I'd say that black fathers' groups are parent relationship improvement groups
Sarah Ibarruri
Mar 2014
#273
So are you saying men's rights and fathers' rights groups are not really anti-feminist?
Sarah Ibarruri
Mar 2014
#275
I asked a question which only required a yes or no response. I got no answer. nt
Sarah Ibarruri
Mar 2014
#277
The reply above yours has got to be the most racist statement I've ever seen on this board.
NYC_SKP
Mar 2014
#279
Here, I'm going to suggest the better subject line that I think you'll agree is not offensive:
NYC_SKP
Mar 2014
#189
That's not what he discusses in the book. There were Reagan Democrats, and there are currently
Sarah Ibarruri
Mar 2014
#207
"watching the reaction of those in anger groups, I wonder..." I want you to read a book:
NYC_SKP
Mar 2014
#220
Indeed, they are. But the best tool from the author, however, isn't provided free of charge.
NYC_SKP
Mar 2014
#226
The book includes fathers' rights as one of the offshoots of the anti-woman themes of angry white
Sarah Ibarruri
Mar 2014
#263
Yes, it makes it all come full circle. You're right Right wing fuel is at the bottom of the
Sarah Ibarruri
Mar 2014
#264