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merrily

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94. The Party may have to choose one day between votes and meddling in primaries.

Sun Mar 2, 2014, 04:14 AM

Mar 2014

Democracy is not about the DNC. It's about voters. As recently as 2006, Schumer was publicly describing party meddling in primaries as a controversial practice. Already, it's something that the Democratic Party can't do without?

Consider this; how many incumbent challengers did progressive idol Howard Dean support when he was Party Chair?

Who cares? I have no idea what "progressive" means, given that Hillary and Obama have both used that term to describe themselves and their own policies. But, why is what Dean did supposed to be some kind of be all and end all for policy? As far as I saw, only you and ProSense have posted on this thread under the apparent assumption that those further left than Obama idolize Dean. The thread parent has expressed lack of appreciation for his centrist ways .

As far as candidates, in 2006, Schumer headed the DSCC, Emanuel headed the DCCC and the recruiting consultant for the House was a Clintonite. Is it a surprise that that the candidates were not liberal? That is exactly the point that posters like the thread parent have been trying to make. The deck is stacked long before the election.

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The Left hasn't "surrendered", but HAS taken many "Beat Downs" from the Party Power Brokers. [View all] bvar22 Mar 2014 OP

The Left is constantly being bombarded by authoritarian moles. Rex Mar 2014 #1

Even making a mockery of terms like "Underground..." villager Mar 2014 #51

I don't know, the name seems apt when you think in terms bobduca Mar 2014 #106

#1. 2010 was wave election for Repukes. #2 except Pretzel_Warrior Mar 2014 #2

Oh? RobertEarl Mar 2014 #5

Thank you! +++++1,000,000 loudsue Mar 2014 #7

You have no idea what probability means, apparently and Pretzel_Warrior Mar 2014 #8

National probablity was irrelevant in that case. Halter outpolled Lincoln and the Republican among merrily Mar 2014 #76

Then why didn't Haltercwin if he was out polling everyone? Pretzel_Warrior Mar 2014 #77

Because the Party stepped in. Didn't you read the OP? merrily Mar 2014 #79

With an Obama endorsement? I thought he was kryptonite Pretzel_Warrior Mar 2014 #82

Ask Bvar. Bvar was in Arkansas. Were you? merrily Mar 2014 #84

PS When was Bubba Clinton kryptonite in Arkansas? merrily Mar 2014 #85

And see also, Reply 38. merrily Mar 2014 #80

You tell 'em! If you're so in tune Pretzel_Warrior Mar 2014 #10

+1 an entire shit load! Enthusiast Mar 2014 #28

"The Left has always been correct." True. And there is a good reason for this : GoneFishin Mar 2014 #50

Nailed it. merrily Mar 2014 #78

Maybe but if that is the strategy then you'd keep up the fight in the general. TheKentuckian Mar 2014 #9

Did you miss the part where NO poll showed Lincoln winning in the General, bvar22 Mar 2014 #12

Post #1 Rex Mar 2014 #17

Don't go disturbing the authoritarians with facts. They don't like it because the facts are against Vincardog Mar 2014 #29

Yeah, that election was a total disaster Art_from_Ark Mar 2014 #63

+10 n/t whathehell Mar 2014 #104

Wrong, we KNOW what happened in 2010, and we know what the excuses are, we are more than sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #23

this is what really happened questionseverything Mar 2014 #38

Thank You. bvar22 Mar 2014 #40

the system we have is so muddied questionseverything Mar 2014 #43

The OP expressly states that Halter was polling ahead of both Lincoln and the Republican. merrily Mar 2014 #73

No they shouldn't butt out of primaries. That's ridiculous Pretzel_Warrior Mar 2014 #74

No, it's ridiculous that they butt in. Voters should decide. merrily Mar 2014 #75

There always seems to be an excuse for the DEmocratic Party machine to support rhett o rick Mar 2014 #120

I no longer expect the Democratic Party to advance liberal causes 1000words Mar 2014 #3

Democrats get too much credit simply for being just a hair to the left of Dick Cheney. Skeeter Barnes Mar 2014 #24

If voters don't hold them accountable, even the hair will disappear. merrily Mar 2014 #81

No shit jsr Mar 2014 #113

And let's not forget alsame Mar 2014 #4

The evidence is plentiful. 1000words Mar 2014 #6

And they pepper their enablers on sites like DU and DailyKos. loudsue Mar 2014 #11

Thats sure the truth arikara Mar 2014 #122

Meek in Florida, Laffey in Rhode Island (though Chafee was probably more liberal), merrily Mar 2014 #83

I've seen it said that they'd rather keep control of the party and lose elections starroute Mar 2014 #13

+1 redqueen Mar 2014 #20

+1 Absolutely correct. fleabiscuit Mar 2014 #26

sadly, this is so justabob Mar 2014 #45

And there it is in a nutshell Scootaloo Mar 2014 #54

That is undoubtedly so. merrily Mar 2014 #87

Lamont, McKinney, Halter, Romanoff, Sestak, Grayson, and Kucinich MisterP Mar 2014 #14

There's no "probably" about it arikara Mar 2014 #118

WbY?...the answer is money zeemike Mar 2014 #15

K&R pa28 Mar 2014 #16

Kick! Efilroft Sul Mar 2014 #18

The White House gained... an ally in its true agenda, MannyGoldstein Mar 2014 #19

Elizabeth Warren is fundraising for Mark Pryor ProSense Mar 2014 #21

Maybe because they learned their lesson in 2010?....... socialist_n_TN Mar 2014 #35

When your own party dumps you Aerows Mar 2014 #68

Most people were not even aware of Lincoln's reconciliation vote. merrily Mar 2014 #88

And you can expect no better treatment from Hillary than you got from Obama/Bill Clinton! Divernan Mar 2014 #22

You need to help your friends. merrily Mar 2014 #98

Recommended 1000X and kicked too. Enthusiast Mar 2014 #25

Oh, the irony. ProSense Mar 2014 #30

Yes, the irony has been entirely lost on you. Enthusiast Mar 2014 #33

C'mon, you don't really think that's the OP's point, do you? Scuba Mar 2014 #42

UNREC brooklynite Mar 2014 #27

lol @ "unrec" 1000words Mar 2014 #31

Bill Halter would have won. Some Democrats are too far right even in red states. Enthusiast Mar 2014 #32

Didn't bother to read the OP? bvar22 Mar 2014 #41

I know and I don't care... brooklynite Mar 2014 #46

LOL. bvar22 Mar 2014 #47

Please enjoy your despair... brooklynite Mar 2014 #49

Because your way's worked out so well for America MannyGoldstein Mar 2014 #56

The Federal Govt recognizes marriage equality, we have a comprehensive health insurance program... brooklynite Mar 2014 #58

The federal government recognized marriage equality well after most Americans did. MannyGoldstein Mar 2014 #59

In some ways it's worse than GWB. cui bono Mar 2014 #69

You know that GWB had negotiated the withdrawal date re Iraq in 2008 and had wound down in merrily Mar 2014 #96

A Liberal Democrat did just fine Aerows Mar 2014 #71

so, NYC = Arkansas? brooklynite Mar 2014 #110

Goodness no Aerows Mar 2014 #119

Since you didn't bother to answer my Dean question... brooklynite Mar 2014 #108

Why are we just supposed to support incumbents, absent corruption? cui bono Mar 2014 #67

If a left-leaning Democrat wins, it's a fluke Aerows Mar 2014 #72

Let's put our cards on the table, shall we? brooklynite Mar 2014 #109

The Party may have to choose one day between votes and meddling in primaries. merrily Mar 2014 #94

K&R for principles instead of over-valued pragmatism. n/t jtuck004 Mar 2014 #34

Think THAT'S bad? Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2014 #36

The DC Beat Down: Sit down, shut up, and vote for us, cuz the GOP is WORSE!!! blkmusclmachine Mar 2014 #37

Same in Colorado Autumn Mar 2014 #39

The same happened in Pennsylvania and Florida too. bvar22 Mar 2014 #44

Did you see this tonight bvar22? madfloridian Mar 2014 #65

Yep. "Not as bad" got beat again, but we have to keep running "Not as bad" because... Tierra_y_Libertad Mar 2014 #48

To the Greatest Page. This is such an important OP. woo me with science Mar 2014 #52

"Important" in a retrospective sort of way? ProSense Mar 2014 #55

Recommend..thanks bvar. n/t Jefferson23 Mar 2014 #53

+1,000,000. THANK YOU bvar. bbgrunt Mar 2014 #57

I would expect as much from an admin that says things out loud like liberals are... WhaTHellsgoingonhere Mar 2014 #60

slow poutrage day? this again? dionysus Mar 2014 #61

Slow rational thought day? This again? cui bono Mar 2014 #70

A reply typical Le Taz Hot Mar 2014 #114

The president wanted a republican congress to enact far right agenda Doctor_J Mar 2014 #62

Yes. Because that makes rational sense. FDR's Pretzel_Warrior Mar 2014 #86

Obama is no FDR. To the extent that FDR had a downfall, it was merrily Mar 2014 #89

Well, Obama also never had FDR's majorities in both houses like Pretzel_Warrior Mar 2014 #91

I knew what the point of your prior post was. I repeat: Obama is no FDR. merrily Mar 2014 #92

Some of the dismantling was also done by the Supreme Court Pretzel_Warrior Mar 2014 #93

Totally different issue--and FDR managed to overcome even that, instead of merrily Mar 2014 #95

btw, Democratic controlled Congresses also refused to continue funding of some of the New Deal merrily Mar 2014 #100

Not surprising at all. Chathamization Mar 2014 #64

It happens at the state legislature level as well. eridani Mar 2014 #66

Local, too, at least in locales with significant population. merrily Mar 2014 #90

^^+1000^^ n/t eridani Mar 2014 #99

I Only Regret That I Have But One Rec to Give This Thread progressoid Mar 2014 #97

I assume you supported and voted for Lincoln after the primary. gulliver Mar 2014 #101

My job is to vote for whom I think would be the best representative of the people. Maedhros Mar 2014 #121

Shit, they dropped that female incumbent as no chance as soon as they got her though TheKentuckian Mar 2014 #123

The system doesn't want their recipe tampered with. nt valerief Mar 2014 #102

''To get along, go along.'' -- Speaker Sam Rayburn Octafish Mar 2014 #103

the democratic party is the OPPONENT of the left. tomp Mar 2014 #105

Rahm Emanual aka: Dem Leadership fredamae Mar 2014 #107

Thanks for posting this again, bvar22! Kermitt Gribble Mar 2014 #111

Excellent! Le Taz Hot Mar 2014 #112

DURec leftstreet Mar 2014 #115

k&r for the truth, however depressing it may be. n/t Laelth Mar 2014 #116

We don't have a republic. sulphurdunn Mar 2014 #117

K&R Jamastiene Mar 2014 #124

kick woo me with science Mar 2014 #125

Amen colsohlibgal Mar 2014 #126

kick woo me with science Mar 2014 #127

How amazingly relevant to the dust up with third way Hill Ed Suspicious Jan 2016 #128

Think our new party ever wanted universal health care? Ed Suspicious Jan 2016 #129