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joshcryer

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53. As an historian he naturally places it low on priorities.

Sun Mar 2, 2014, 04:16 AM

Mar 2014

His Bloodlands is a must read as far as trying to nail down a different view of the regions atrocities.

The cops aren't his concern, it's the civilians he focuses on, and their motivations.

This is literally the first article I have read about Ukraine that didn't place the fascists and rightist elements at the top of the agency of the protesters, even as I read anarchists were joining in (mainly as a medical response team ala Food Not Bombs) but with trepidation and caution and no expectation that they'd get what they wanted.

I think it paints a good narrative, even as it ends predicting more polarization if the events that are happening now happen. That's been my view as well. The fascists will probably rise. And of course the US, not the rightful instigator Russia, will be blamed.

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Robert Parry: Cheering a �Democratic� Coup in Ukraine [View all] eridani Mar 2014 OP

kick. Thanks for posting. +1 eom Purveyor Mar 2014 #1

An impeachment is a Democratic and Constitutional change in power. stevenleser Mar 2014 #2

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I dont skip anything. I keep telling you they are two distinct issues. stevenleser Mar 2014 #10

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You have no question or answer that deals with my point so there is no reason to continue. stevenleser Mar 2014 #12

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I have 1.6 million hits on Google. What have you got? stevenleser Mar 2014 #18

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Thank you for your white flag of surrender in this discussion. I accept. nt stevenleser Mar 2014 #21

FYI, he's used that retort more than once in his very short time here. MADem Mar 2014 #56

I believe the international exchange rate is 3 Wedgies to 1 Melvin Warren DeMontague Mar 2014 #69

I think he swirled his way down the pan, as they say over the pond! MADem Mar 2014 #112

Aw, he seemed so genuine. Warren DeMontague Mar 2014 #113

OMG, you made my day with that pic! MADem Mar 2014 #114

Also skipping over the death threats to MPs newthinking Mar 2014 #6

The vote was 328-0. Try again. nt stevenleser Mar 2014 #36

Anyone who would have voted no would have had their life in danger newthinking Mar 2014 #42

You're kidding, right? sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #15

Nope not kidding, google has 1.6 million hits on the impeachment in Ukraine stevenleser Mar 2014 #17

That's too bad, I was hoping you were. Do you know how many times I as an individual can 'hit' sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #22

Which of the 1.6 million hits/articles are "internet trickery"? stevenleser Mar 2014 #23

Is Crimea evil for asking Russia for help after right wing thugs from Kiev came across their border sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #28

Can Alabama ask China to intervene if it doesn't like US laws? Not according to international law. stevenleser Mar 2014 #30

I see. Those of the Russian speaking minority aren't really people. eridani Mar 2014 #87

Like you, I always form my political opinions based on web hit volume brentspeak Mar 2014 #120

Quit pretending you have superior knowledge on this Pretzel_Warrior Mar 2014 #39

Quit pretending ANYONE in this country has a clue about what is going on there. Which is fine sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #46

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Thankfully your false claims about me have been hidden by a jury. Nevertheless I will correct the sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #105

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So this one is fake but Occupy is 100% real deal. Check. ucrdem Mar 2014 #76

Where is the comparison between OWS, peaceful, unarmed protests against policies such as sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #102

Soft power is only peaceful until it isn't. ucrdem Mar 2014 #109

Glad you mentioned Libya, and I sincerely hope you weren't holding up what is going on there sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #110

Likewise. nt ucrdem Mar 2014 #118

+1,000 malaise Mar 2014 #78

Yup. But Russia and Yanukovich sure want everyone to call it a coup. TwilightGardener Mar 2014 #25

They sure do. I keep telling folks, there are always excuses for justifying a war of aggression stevenleser Mar 2014 #32

I think Parry is one of the best journalists in America today, Vinnie From Indy Mar 2014 #3

*Nobody* liked Yanukovich. The problem was the opposition frightened much of the country more newthinking Mar 2014 #8

The EU and NED LOVED him--as long as he was negotiating to accept the I<MF "austerity" eridani Mar 2014 #66

Since the failure of the Orange Revolution, Ukraine has had problems with corruption in its sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #16

Bullshit davidpdx Mar 2014 #96

Are you threatening me with stalking?? sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #123

Its hearsay, just like when Chavez died... cprise Mar 2014 #40

Message auto-removed Name removed Mar 2014 #5

Truly misguided and un-nuanced frazzled Mar 2014 #7

great article thank you nt steve2470 Mar 2014 #14

thanks frazzled. "Ukraine: The Haze of Propaganda" certainly counters the Blame America Cha Mar 2014 #19

Wow, now we're getting Limbaugh anti 'left' talking points on DU? Never thought I'd see the sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #24

When people knee-jerk blame the US, it qualifies. You ought to read Orwell's notes on nationalism stevenleser Mar 2014 #26

That's what Freepers said when we opposed Bush's war in Iraq. I have not heard that anywhere else sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #33

Freepers also think we need to breathe to survive. Do you intend to stop breathing because they stevenleser Mar 2014 #35

You didn't answer my quesion. I notice a lot of that lately after right wing talking points are sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #37

Actually, I did. I pointed out with a metaphor that you used a logical fallacy in your reasoning. stevenleser Mar 2014 #38

There it is again, the tactic of not directly answering a direct question. I will try to make it sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #41

Your logic is spot on. Deep North Mar 2014 #45

I always appreciate it when someone stops by to provide a perfect example of sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #47

Not new...check it out. Deep North Mar 2014 #49

You should never turn down a compliment. You were a perfect example of my point. sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #51

I remember when they posted images of fascist United Russia. joshcryer Mar 2014 #60

I am requesting that everyone click this link to one of my OWS OPS. And I am posting it again as it sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #107

Please leave me alone. joshcryer Mar 2014 #116

Don't even try that. The feedback I have received regarding your years long harassment is enough for sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #117

Oh they may jump in any time. joshcryer Mar 2014 #119

Do.Not.Speak.To.Or.About.Me.Again! sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #121

I have complied with your request, you have not (PROOF): joshcryer Mar 2014 #122

You have once again forced me to correct you. This is attached to your comment, but intended for sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #124

Wait a minute--you're trying to equate Putin to Saddam. What a FAIL! MADem Mar 2014 #52

Lol, this wasn't about putin or saddam. It's always wise to read a thread before jumping in without sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #58

Why are you LOLing when =you= made the bad comparison? It's not funny. MADem Mar 2014 #88

Did you think we live in Russia or something?? Or in Iraq? Or Libya, or Syria, Venezuela, Somalia, sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #104

Who is calling DUers unpatriotic? Blame America Firsters? MADem Mar 2014 #111

What business of ours is any of this? There is centuries old history involved in this situation, sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #132

This conversation is two weeks old. You should have jumped in then. MADem Mar 2014 #133

What interest does the US have in a situation that is clearly not our problem? sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #134

What did I just say? I'm not firing up this moribund thread, sorry. nt MADem Mar 2014 #135

"from the person who thinks we Dems are 'Blame America Firsters'" EX500rider Mar 2014 #130

And what would the reason be? Please explain, with links, otherwise it is the same old FAUX meme sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #131

I also hold the various administrations responsible for their own actions...unlike some.. EX500rider Mar 2014 #136

There are posters on DU who will side against the US government on every issue Democat Mar 2014 #72

I have seen posters on DU oppose Government policies, I have never seen anyone here sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #108

You're fucking right that America should be blamed first. It's the only imperial power-- eridani Mar 2014 #67

You're fucking WRONG. But, please do proceed propping up Putin.. while Cha Mar 2014 #68

Regional empires suck. World-wide empires suck worse. eridani Mar 2014 #81

Thanks. fleabiscuit Mar 2014 #29

Hugely informative, and from a REPUTABLE source, thank you. TwilightGardener Mar 2014 #31

This guy actually has a version of "at least the trains run on time"!!! Comrade Grumpy Mar 2014 #44

No one who supports violent coups as a way to get what we want, wants to talk about the right sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #50

As an historian he naturally places it low on priorities. joshcryer Mar 2014 #53

Your problem with holding the early election would be what, exactly? eridani Mar 2014 #71

I take it you didn't read the article. joshcryer Mar 2014 #93

At must read. The authoritarians here will not understand. joshcryer Mar 2014 #48

As opposed to apologists for the 1%, who understand perfectly. n/t eridani Mar 2014 #79

I agree Yankovich apologists "understand perfectly." joshcryer Mar 2014 #99

Being against a violent coup = Yankovich apologist eridani Mar 2014 #126

I don't know what "early election" I'm supposed to be against. joshcryer Mar 2014 #128

When I saw the name Timothy Snyder MattSh Mar 2014 #54

Now that the tides have turned, Cohen's going to be in a pickle. joshcryer Mar 2014 #59

That is really a well-written piece. This part struck me, that I hadn't read about before: freshwest Mar 2014 #57

His point is rather simple. joshcryer Mar 2014 #62

You've delved deeply into the human aspect as well as the events w/o bias. Thanks. n/t freshwest Mar 2014 #89

excellent.. thanks so much OKNancy Mar 2014 #80

, blkmusclmachine Mar 2014 #9

Behind the administration's back and working against Obama's policies hedda_foil Mar 2014 #27

Excellent article, thank you. I remember NED from the Bush days, and wonder why these obviously sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #34

So are we saying that... busterbrown Mar 2014 #43

From what I have read of the situation, I think you are exactly right. sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #55

Yup...I thought so. busterbrown Mar 2014 #63

Yanukovych is an oligarch, net worth $3.2 billion. joshcryer Mar 2014 #64

Please... a link if possible..n/t busterbrown Mar 2014 #65

Oops, it was $12 billion, before he bailed. joshcryer Mar 2014 #70

He is a hero to some on DU Democat Mar 2014 #74

You were undoubtedly saying the same thing about people against the Iraq war eridani Mar 2014 #84

DU has evolved a lot since Bush sent us into Iraq Democat Mar 2014 #97

I distinctly remember bashing Saddam's palace building. joshcryer Mar 2014 #98

I can't believe that post saying he was anti-austerity. joshcryer Mar 2014 #85

And the 99% of Ukranians will make out like bandits from IMF "austerity," right? n/t eridani Mar 2014 #75

No. I explicitly linked the oligarchs taking power. joshcryer Mar 2014 #82

I agree that there isn't any winning move eridani Mar 2014 #86

Because Russia caused it? joshcryer Mar 2014 #90

So who is going to protect ethnic Russians? Svoboda? eridani Mar 2014 #91

If you think this is about "protecting ethnic Russians..." joshcryer Mar 2014 #92

Ukranian history give a lot of reasons why ethnic Ukranians hate the Russian minority eridani Mar 2014 #100

Um, Crimea makes up a small part of them. joshcryer Mar 2014 #101

And Svoboda is just irrelevant. Right. n/t eridani Mar 2014 #127

Politically, potentially. joshcryer Mar 2014 #129

Seems to me that if Yankovich joined the E.U. there wouldn�t have been such a response.. busterbrown Mar 2014 #77

There are oligarchs that steal through graft. joshcryer Mar 2014 #83

I�ll pick E. Warren... busterbrown Mar 2014 #103

A sight better than defending Yankovich. joshcryer Mar 2014 #125

'behind the administration's back and working against Obama's policies' and freshwest Mar 2014 #61

Excellent read malaise Mar 2014 #73

Yanukovych shot protestors and his own people decided he lost legitimacy. nt arely staircase Mar 2014 #106

kick eom Purveyor Mar 2014 #115