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eridani

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86. I agree that there isn't any winning move

Sun Mar 2, 2014, 05:48 AM

Mar 2014

But in strictly material terms, cheap gas and comparatively unencumbered loans from Russia really are a better deal. You get the corrupt oligarchs either way, so why not chose less material pain.?

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Robert Parry: Cheering a �Democratic� Coup in Ukraine [View all] eridani Mar 2014 OP

kick. Thanks for posting. +1 eom Purveyor Mar 2014 #1

An impeachment is a Democratic and Constitutional change in power. stevenleser Mar 2014 #2

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I dont skip anything. I keep telling you they are two distinct issues. stevenleser Mar 2014 #10

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You have no question or answer that deals with my point so there is no reason to continue. stevenleser Mar 2014 #12

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I have 1.6 million hits on Google. What have you got? stevenleser Mar 2014 #18

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Thank you for your white flag of surrender in this discussion. I accept. nt stevenleser Mar 2014 #21

FYI, he's used that retort more than once in his very short time here. MADem Mar 2014 #56

I believe the international exchange rate is 3 Wedgies to 1 Melvin Warren DeMontague Mar 2014 #69

I think he swirled his way down the pan, as they say over the pond! MADem Mar 2014 #112

Aw, he seemed so genuine. Warren DeMontague Mar 2014 #113

OMG, you made my day with that pic! MADem Mar 2014 #114

Also skipping over the death threats to MPs newthinking Mar 2014 #6

The vote was 328-0. Try again. nt stevenleser Mar 2014 #36

Anyone who would have voted no would have had their life in danger newthinking Mar 2014 #42

You're kidding, right? sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #15

Nope not kidding, google has 1.6 million hits on the impeachment in Ukraine stevenleser Mar 2014 #17

That's too bad, I was hoping you were. Do you know how many times I as an individual can 'hit' sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #22

Which of the 1.6 million hits/articles are "internet trickery"? stevenleser Mar 2014 #23

Is Crimea evil for asking Russia for help after right wing thugs from Kiev came across their border sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #28

Can Alabama ask China to intervene if it doesn't like US laws? Not according to international law. stevenleser Mar 2014 #30

I see. Those of the Russian speaking minority aren't really people. eridani Mar 2014 #87

Like you, I always form my political opinions based on web hit volume brentspeak Mar 2014 #120

Quit pretending you have superior knowledge on this Pretzel_Warrior Mar 2014 #39

Quit pretending ANYONE in this country has a clue about what is going on there. Which is fine sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #46

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Thankfully your false claims about me have been hidden by a jury. Nevertheless I will correct the sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #105

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So this one is fake but Occupy is 100% real deal. Check. ucrdem Mar 2014 #76

Where is the comparison between OWS, peaceful, unarmed protests against policies such as sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #102

Soft power is only peaceful until it isn't. ucrdem Mar 2014 #109

Glad you mentioned Libya, and I sincerely hope you weren't holding up what is going on there sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #110

Likewise. nt ucrdem Mar 2014 #118

+1,000 malaise Mar 2014 #78

Yup. But Russia and Yanukovich sure want everyone to call it a coup. TwilightGardener Mar 2014 #25

They sure do. I keep telling folks, there are always excuses for justifying a war of aggression stevenleser Mar 2014 #32

I think Parry is one of the best journalists in America today, Vinnie From Indy Mar 2014 #3

*Nobody* liked Yanukovich. The problem was the opposition frightened much of the country more newthinking Mar 2014 #8

The EU and NED LOVED him--as long as he was negotiating to accept the I<MF "austerity" eridani Mar 2014 #66

Since the failure of the Orange Revolution, Ukraine has had problems with corruption in its sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #16

Bullshit davidpdx Mar 2014 #96

Are you threatening me with stalking?? sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #123

Its hearsay, just like when Chavez died... cprise Mar 2014 #40

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Truly misguided and un-nuanced frazzled Mar 2014 #7

great article thank you nt steve2470 Mar 2014 #14

thanks frazzled. "Ukraine: The Haze of Propaganda" certainly counters the Blame America Cha Mar 2014 #19

Wow, now we're getting Limbaugh anti 'left' talking points on DU? Never thought I'd see the sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #24

When people knee-jerk blame the US, it qualifies. You ought to read Orwell's notes on nationalism stevenleser Mar 2014 #26

That's what Freepers said when we opposed Bush's war in Iraq. I have not heard that anywhere else sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #33

Freepers also think we need to breathe to survive. Do you intend to stop breathing because they stevenleser Mar 2014 #35

You didn't answer my quesion. I notice a lot of that lately after right wing talking points are sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #37

Actually, I did. I pointed out with a metaphor that you used a logical fallacy in your reasoning. stevenleser Mar 2014 #38

There it is again, the tactic of not directly answering a direct question. I will try to make it sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #41

Your logic is spot on. Deep North Mar 2014 #45

I always appreciate it when someone stops by to provide a perfect example of sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #47

Not new...check it out. Deep North Mar 2014 #49

You should never turn down a compliment. You were a perfect example of my point. sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #51

I remember when they posted images of fascist United Russia. joshcryer Mar 2014 #60

I am requesting that everyone click this link to one of my OWS OPS. And I am posting it again as it sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #107

Please leave me alone. joshcryer Mar 2014 #116

Don't even try that. The feedback I have received regarding your years long harassment is enough for sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #117

Oh they may jump in any time. joshcryer Mar 2014 #119

Do.Not.Speak.To.Or.About.Me.Again! sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #121

I have complied with your request, you have not (PROOF): joshcryer Mar 2014 #122

You have once again forced me to correct you. This is attached to your comment, but intended for sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #124

Wait a minute--you're trying to equate Putin to Saddam. What a FAIL! MADem Mar 2014 #52

Lol, this wasn't about putin or saddam. It's always wise to read a thread before jumping in without sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #58

Why are you LOLing when =you= made the bad comparison? It's not funny. MADem Mar 2014 #88

Did you think we live in Russia or something?? Or in Iraq? Or Libya, or Syria, Venezuela, Somalia, sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #104

Who is calling DUers unpatriotic? Blame America Firsters? MADem Mar 2014 #111

What business of ours is any of this? There is centuries old history involved in this situation, sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #132

This conversation is two weeks old. You should have jumped in then. MADem Mar 2014 #133

What interest does the US have in a situation that is clearly not our problem? sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #134

What did I just say? I'm not firing up this moribund thread, sorry. nt MADem Mar 2014 #135

"from the person who thinks we Dems are 'Blame America Firsters'" EX500rider Mar 2014 #130

And what would the reason be? Please explain, with links, otherwise it is the same old FAUX meme sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #131

I also hold the various administrations responsible for their own actions...unlike some.. EX500rider Mar 2014 #136

There are posters on DU who will side against the US government on every issue Democat Mar 2014 #72

I have seen posters on DU oppose Government policies, I have never seen anyone here sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #108

You're fucking right that America should be blamed first. It's the only imperial power-- eridani Mar 2014 #67

You're fucking WRONG. But, please do proceed propping up Putin.. while Cha Mar 2014 #68

Regional empires suck. World-wide empires suck worse. eridani Mar 2014 #81

Thanks. fleabiscuit Mar 2014 #29

Hugely informative, and from a REPUTABLE source, thank you. TwilightGardener Mar 2014 #31

This guy actually has a version of "at least the trains run on time"!!! Comrade Grumpy Mar 2014 #44

No one who supports violent coups as a way to get what we want, wants to talk about the right sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #50

As an historian he naturally places it low on priorities. joshcryer Mar 2014 #53

Your problem with holding the early election would be what, exactly? eridani Mar 2014 #71

I take it you didn't read the article. joshcryer Mar 2014 #93

At must read. The authoritarians here will not understand. joshcryer Mar 2014 #48

As opposed to apologists for the 1%, who understand perfectly. n/t eridani Mar 2014 #79

I agree Yankovich apologists "understand perfectly." joshcryer Mar 2014 #99

Being against a violent coup = Yankovich apologist eridani Mar 2014 #126

I don't know what "early election" I'm supposed to be against. joshcryer Mar 2014 #128

When I saw the name Timothy Snyder MattSh Mar 2014 #54

Now that the tides have turned, Cohen's going to be in a pickle. joshcryer Mar 2014 #59

That is really a well-written piece. This part struck me, that I hadn't read about before: freshwest Mar 2014 #57

His point is rather simple. joshcryer Mar 2014 #62

You've delved deeply into the human aspect as well as the events w/o bias. Thanks. n/t freshwest Mar 2014 #89

excellent.. thanks so much OKNancy Mar 2014 #80

, blkmusclmachine Mar 2014 #9

Behind the administration's back and working against Obama's policies hedda_foil Mar 2014 #27

Excellent article, thank you. I remember NED from the Bush days, and wonder why these obviously sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #34

So are we saying that... busterbrown Mar 2014 #43

From what I have read of the situation, I think you are exactly right. sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #55

Yup...I thought so. busterbrown Mar 2014 #63

Yanukovych is an oligarch, net worth $3.2 billion. joshcryer Mar 2014 #64

Please... a link if possible..n/t busterbrown Mar 2014 #65

Oops, it was $12 billion, before he bailed. joshcryer Mar 2014 #70

He is a hero to some on DU Democat Mar 2014 #74

You were undoubtedly saying the same thing about people against the Iraq war eridani Mar 2014 #84

DU has evolved a lot since Bush sent us into Iraq Democat Mar 2014 #97

I distinctly remember bashing Saddam's palace building. joshcryer Mar 2014 #98

I can't believe that post saying he was anti-austerity. joshcryer Mar 2014 #85

And the 99% of Ukranians will make out like bandits from IMF "austerity," right? n/t eridani Mar 2014 #75

No. I explicitly linked the oligarchs taking power. joshcryer Mar 2014 #82

I agree that there isn't any winning move eridani Mar 2014 #86

Because Russia caused it? joshcryer Mar 2014 #90

So who is going to protect ethnic Russians? Svoboda? eridani Mar 2014 #91

If you think this is about "protecting ethnic Russians..." joshcryer Mar 2014 #92

Ukranian history give a lot of reasons why ethnic Ukranians hate the Russian minority eridani Mar 2014 #100

Um, Crimea makes up a small part of them. joshcryer Mar 2014 #101

And Svoboda is just irrelevant. Right. n/t eridani Mar 2014 #127

Politically, potentially. joshcryer Mar 2014 #129

Seems to me that if Yankovich joined the E.U. there wouldn�t have been such a response.. busterbrown Mar 2014 #77

There are oligarchs that steal through graft. joshcryer Mar 2014 #83

I�ll pick E. Warren... busterbrown Mar 2014 #103

A sight better than defending Yankovich. joshcryer Mar 2014 #125

'behind the administration's back and working against Obama's policies' and freshwest Mar 2014 #61

Excellent read malaise Mar 2014 #73

Yanukovych shot protestors and his own people decided he lost legitimacy. nt arely staircase Mar 2014 #106

kick eom Purveyor Mar 2014 #115