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quaker bill

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63. Nice analysis

Sun Mar 2, 2014, 06:25 AM

Mar 2014

I think you are getting at the nature that underpins the observed reality. Kin selection has a real basis in evolutionary biology. The notion that we may have evolved some in-group / out-group selective behavior is fairly well founded in the math as well as social / psychological literature.

There is a difference between that natural potential and political movements that manipulate this natural kin bias to whip it up into a political force.

The blaming of out-groups for failed crops and other disasters is as old as recorded history. Hitler was using a very ancient playbook when he blamed the Jews for a failed economy, and also bolstering a belief in an Aryan master race. The fact that there are aspects of humanity that make such things an easy political play is no justification for going there.

These political forces can be made very powerful. They had the Rwandans hacking each other to pieces with machetes.

Nature may well underpin our tendency to go there when stimulated. This does not obviate the need to study the process that makes this base instinct to somewhat favor the familiar into a violent, dangerous, and occasionally deadly political force.

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What fueled right wingers, fathers rights, mens' rights, gun rights & teabaggers into existence? [View all] Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2014 OP

fear Skittles Mar 2014 #1

I believe it's mostly white right wing males that fear. In fact, if I remember correctly... Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2014 #2

+10000000000! Zorra Mar 2014 #105

Thank you for this amazing article! I'm passing it on. (also the funny video) Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2014 #145

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Much like Fox (via The Simpsons)... JHB Mar 2014 #172

LOL! love it! nt Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2014 #173

Why must you broad brush all white males? Pretzel_Warrior Mar 2014 #3

Does this mean you disagree with the synopsis? Which part? Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2014 #4

I was replying to Skittles' post. Pretzel_Warrior Mar 2014 #6

And I'd say that the overpreponderance of those angry white males are right wing Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2014 #9

Thanks for acknowledging "some" exceptions. And don't let the fact that there are ... 11 Bravo Mar 2014 #295

To me (a white male) the mere fact that the majority of us support the greedy, racist GOP nomorenomore08 Mar 2014 #30

That's bullshit and I don't accept that. On this site Pretzel_Warrior Mar 2014 #35

Okay, then where's your brilliant solution for "solving" racism (and sexism, and homophobia)? nomorenomore08 Mar 2014 #40

That just makes no sense whatever Pretzel_Warrior Mar 2014 #45

I guess I personally consider being "stereotyped" (as a white male) less important than nomorenomore08 Mar 2014 #47

It's not an either/or. Pretzel_Warrior Mar 2014 #49

True. But given that negative stereotyping doesn't really affect my everyday life, it's not nomorenomore08 Mar 2014 #50

At an ER it's called triage, at my work, it's called putting out fires... Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2014 #83

I hope you realize how illogical that is Pretzel_Warrior Mar 2014 #112

Actually, it is illogical that you've said it's illogical. I'm not 100% sure you understand Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2014 #114

No, she meant we can't spend all our time and energy worrying about offending those who are nomorenomore08 Mar 2014 #256

Message auto-removed Name removed Mar 2014 #60

Pardon me, but your point was not a point at all, and you asked no question Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2014 #82

What's the worst they can do? YoungDemCA Mar 2014 #118

The post refer to those angry, racist, white males . . . brush Mar 2014 #150

I've seen you do quite a bit of stereotyping, so I find it rather shocking Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2014 #81

Stereotyping is scorned on this site? You've never seen posts that say Squinch Mar 2014 #92

Taking online courses in "selective reading"? nomorenomore08 Mar 2014 #259

It is a phenomenon, but this guy explains it quite succinctly. Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2014 #79

If you're a male why do Enthusiast Mar 2014 #54

:) nt Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2014 #84

Umm, because these attacks are Kosher in GD? Eleanors38 Mar 2014 #86

Feeling persecuted because you're a straight white male? CreekDog Mar 2014 #234

Oh, not in the least. Anything changed since, oh, 1968? Eleanors38 Mar 2014 #237

well if something changed since 1968, i guess it's all okay then CreekDog Mar 2014 #240

"Meow-meow-meow-meow-meow-meow-white-meow?" dogknob Mar 2014 #225

Sorry to hear that. Losing a parent is awful regardless of politics. nomorenomore08 Mar 2014 #258

LOL! Rex Mar 2014 #288

What is that in reference to? Pretzel_Warrior Mar 2014 #289

Post removed Post removed Mar 2014 #59

Fear and anger are BFF's. bravenak Mar 2014 #61

Message auto-removed Name removed Mar 2014 #64

I agree from firsthand experience. Rex Mar 2014 #290

IMO, it's bigotry to lump groups of people together this way. NYC_SKP Mar 2014 #5

Then you must consider every study to be bigoted and bigotry Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2014 #7

It's not about my ideology. NYC_SKP Mar 2014 #11

Not really. It's that you're using the fundies' cafeteria method of book review Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2014 #13

Bullshit. Don't dare lump me in with fundamentalists and step the fuck off. NYC_SKP Mar 2014 #57

Yes, I do. I have read your posts. Unless you change your ideology daily... Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2014 #87

Kindly back up your bullshit subject line with ONE example from the book where the author NYC_SKP Mar 2014 #88

Pretty angry there, The mask slips CreekDog Mar 2014 #163

Howdy partner! NYC_SKP Mar 2014 #166

:) nt Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2014 #184

The author would rather you don't make up shit about his book. NYC_SKP Mar 2014 #261

That wasn't directed at you (as you know), but you just can't stay away from me, can you? nt Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2014 #269

well... CreekDog Mar 2014 #239

Is there anything you can't justify? joeglow3 Mar 2014 #136

it's deep seated, not seeded. that one drives me nuts, LOL. bettyellen Mar 2014 #168

You are correct joeglow3 Mar 2014 #170

I know- I am a gardener, so the seeded thing doubly bugs me, ha ha. bettyellen Mar 2014 #171

Regarding the fundie cafeteria method... rrneck Mar 2014 #77

No, not really. In fact, fundies provide no proof except a fairy tale book.. Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2014 #85

Yes, really. rrneck Mar 2014 #90

I gave a synopsis on a book. You're asking me to type out the book for you here? Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2014 #94

Did you read it? nt rrneck Mar 2014 #95

Of course I did. Why would I be posting the book if not? Are you going to? nt Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2014 #96

Then explain it. nt rrneck Mar 2014 #97

Re-read what I've said through here, then read the book. nt Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2014 #99

So you read it but you didn't understand it. rrneck Mar 2014 #106

I think she needs to read the book. I don't think she got it the first time. NYC_SKP Mar 2014 #167

Yep. Just downloded it to kindle. rrneck Mar 2014 #179

Wow! Le Taz Hot Mar 2014 #100

Everything revolves around studies and statistics. So what exactly are you talking about? nt Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2014 #101

I thought it was pretty clear. Le Taz Hot Mar 2014 #104

This book is not a broad-brush of men. Just the opposite (imho). PotatoChip Mar 2014 #66

Thank you for a kind and reasoned response, and especially for advice for how to learn more. NYC_SKP Mar 2014 #75

You're welcome. PotatoChip Mar 2014 #137

I agree. Sadly, the OP Subject Line is a Hot Mess and Misleading.... NYC_SKP Mar 2014 #91

Given the often vastly different motivations between those groups... Lizzie Poppet Mar 2014 #107

The word stereotyping was your input. brush Mar 2014 #156

Methinks he doth protest too much. Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2014 #187

His protest is a touch too vigorous. nt brush Mar 2014 #196

Yes. This thread is fascinating. It's the same little group of angry names. nt Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2014 #198

this is just silly noiretextatique Mar 2014 #175

The onus is on the OP author to speak in clear terms, and when called on it to edit in accordingly. NYC_SKP Mar 2014 #178

aw, "we" just disappoint you so much, don't we? Skittles Mar 2014 #228

Now why do you want to be such a shiftan and not actually read what i wrote. NYC_SKP Mar 2014 #229

LOL Skittles Mar 2014 #232

I haven't see you this angry since gun control was talked about after Newtown CreekDog Mar 2014 #236

Another CreekDog Character Attack. You'd think a host of GD would Skip Intro Mar 2014 #254

any search of your posts and "Obama" and/or "Trayvon" or "Martin" will show that CreekDog Mar 2014 #255

+100. n/t Skip Intro Mar 2014 #253

But we are talking about angry RWing men! How does that one obvious point Rex Mar 2014 #291

I don't understand lumping father's rights and men's rights in with polly7 Mar 2014 #8

The original post explained it - in common are, angry + WHITE + MALE nt Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2014 #10

Men can't be angry for legitimate reasons that women are often angry about also? polly7 Mar 2014 #14

You're making a silly argument. Read the book. It covers all your questions... Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2014 #16

No thanks. polly7 Mar 2014 #20

Of course you won't. Anything that might threaten your world view is a threat Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2014 #21

I'll question what I please. polly7 Mar 2014 #23

"You're silly"... NYC_SKP Mar 2014 #132

Silly, small and poor, apparently. polly7 Mar 2014 #133

Oddly enough... OilemFirchen Mar 2014 #38

Thanks for reviving my interest in the publication. defacto7 Mar 2014 #53

Please post where I said I have not read the book. I have finished reading the book. Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2014 #190

OK. OilemFirchen Mar 2014 #193

I have completed the book. Hey, I get it that you're angry. You don't need to display it Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2014 #197

You really should stop ascribing motives to people. OilemFirchen Mar 2014 #205

I'm ascribing only what you have made amply clear in all your posts on this thread. nt Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2014 #208

Give me an example, then. OilemFirchen Mar 2014 #215

I will - every one of your posts in this thread. nt Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2014 #216

There is none. NYC_SKP Mar 2014 #12

It's the stuff-I-don't-like conspiracy. That's the corellation. JVS Mar 2014 #15

Not really. Read the book. This man has spent a rather lengthy time working on this Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2014 #17

The OP subject line misrepresents the book. NYC_SKP Mar 2014 #80

+1 for subject line Go Vols Mar 2014 #231

Of course men have legitimate grievances in this society. The mistake many of them make nomorenomore08 Mar 2014 #31

Did you happen to note... OilemFirchen Mar 2014 #46

Absolutely. I was only discussing one particular aspect. n/t nomorenomore08 Mar 2014 #48

Oh FFS. polly7 Mar 2014 #65

I'm not trying to "ramp up" anything. Just giving my opinion like you did. nomorenomore08 Mar 2014 #260

Are you seriously defending the Mens Rights sufrommich Mar 2014 #67

The Men's Rights Movement 'here'??? polly7 Mar 2014 #68

I meant "are you posting on DU and sufrommich Mar 2014 #69

You said 'here'. polly7 Mar 2014 #70

I think my post was pretty clear,as was yours claiming that the MRM sufrommich Mar 2014 #71

Your intent was clear, that's for sure. nt. polly7 Mar 2014 #73

You're behaving rather angry. Why? nt Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2014 #199

I'm not angry at all. polly7 Mar 2014 #235

Oooh, so this isn't angry on you. Wouldn't want to see angry then nt Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2014 #241

Correct. nt. polly7 Mar 2014 #243

I'm very afraid. Very. nt Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2014 #244

Of what? polly7 Mar 2014 #245

I see you don't get sarcasm. Nite. nt Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2014 #246

Riiiiiiight. polly7 Mar 2014 #247

I didn't know that. Perhaps with good reason. As said, "where there's smoke there's fire." nt Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2014 #192

I just got that book too. Very good stuff. Recursion Mar 2014 #18

It's very well researched and written. I'm considering giving it as gifts... Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2014 #19

I was bracing for it to be condescending, but he was very good Recursion Mar 2014 #22

Wasn't it? I was pleasantly surprised. nt Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2014 #28

Great Book. But you made up a Bigoted and Misleading OP Subject Line. And no link. NYC_SKP Mar 2014 #76

I strongly urge that you read it. That will clarify the following for you: Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2014 #93

Prove it with an example from the book. NYC_SKP Mar 2014 #127

Gun rights are NOT some new phenomena. MicaelS Mar 2014 #24

The way they are behaving as if guns were prohibited, you betcha they are. Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2014 #26

Bigotry AgingAmerican Mar 2014 #25

Are you saying that I'm the author of this book? Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2014 #27

I am saying that the OP is bigoted AgingAmerican Mar 2014 #29

"There was no American Dream for anyone but white males." nomorenomore08 Mar 2014 #32

Up until 40-50 years ago? AgingAmerican Mar 2014 #36

So you deny that white American males have historically enjoyed tremendous unfair advantages? nomorenomore08 Mar 2014 #41

No, I said the OP is bigoted AgingAmerican Mar 2014 #43

You're kidding me, right? The very fact that you are saying this is untrue.... Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2014 #194

Suuuure it does AgingAmerican Mar 2014 #248

You're pretending that white and male was not a privilege for most of the hiistory of the U.S. nt Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2014 #249

No, you are pretending AgingAmerican Mar 2014 #251

It seems rather like you're saying that anyone who is both male and white cannot possibly have Marr Mar 2014 #33

It's not that their frustrations are illegitimate, it's that they direct them at the wrong people nomorenomore08 Mar 2014 #39

I read a really interesting article the other day - KitSileya Mar 2014 #74

Exactly. If wages were to be what it is, it wouldn't explain it or excuse it... Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2014 #195

Very well said! nomorenomore08 Mar 2014 #257

Maybe you should read the book? Recursion Mar 2014 #42

How did you arrive at that? You are erroneous in at least some the following: Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2014 #110

The Bell Curve employed "studies and statistics", too. Marr Mar 2014 #130

Um, not exactly. Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2014 #200

I know the Bell Curve was bullshit. Marr Mar 2014 #202

It was. This is not. In fact, the very studies employed by the angry anti-feminist male groups... Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2014 #209

Well, maybe I'll give it a read this week. Marr Mar 2014 #212

Good! Thanks. nt Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2014 #214

What solutions does Kimmell suggest? SunSeeker Mar 2014 #34

For starters, as in AA, the most important issue is acknowledging the problem... Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2014 #116

I wouldn't say it's zero, but it is small. SunSeeker Mar 2014 #120

The only solution is for awareness that there is a change, that life will not return Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2014 #201

Oh they're aware there's a change. That's why they're angry. nt. SunSeeker Mar 2014 #219

If a post on a message board is the worst "bigotry" you've experienced this week - or this month - nomorenomore08 Mar 2014 #37

I believe the Tea Party has always been right wing, even before Obama. ZombieHorde Mar 2014 #44

Read the book. nt Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2014 #115

If the people who read the book can't explain ZombieHorde Mar 2014 #160

+1 Go Vols Mar 2014 #230

What he seems to be skating around is one of the major reason for the anger Warpy Mar 2014 #51

No. Read the book. I keep getting people assuming they know the book without Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2014 #113

It would help if you would answer people's questions. joeglow3 Mar 2014 #144

Thanks Warpy Mar 2014 #176

My white male privilege agrees with this post. westerebus Mar 2014 #129

I've not read this book, but... davidn3600 Mar 2014 #52

Nice analysis quaker bill Mar 2014 #63

Posts like this make DU worhtwhile. nt rrneck Mar 2014 #89

I agree Pretzel_Warrior Mar 2014 #117

When you read the book, you'll find how well researched the thing is, and the incredible number of Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2014 #108

The conclusions of this research seem focused towards one group of people davidn3600 Mar 2014 #224

I think there is more nuance in this short response My Good Babushka Mar 2014 #141

This illustrates it nicely.... Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2014 #55

Indeed. The loss of the long-standing white male entitlement has given birth to rightwingerism... Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2014 #103

Trash, another broad brush Katashi_itto Mar 2014 #56

Downward mobility is fucking everyone over, and we need to do something about that eridani Mar 2014 #58

I totally agree. Thanks! nt Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2014 #102

Alienation alone doesn't turn people into mass murderers. My Good Babushka Mar 2014 #62

It's not "alienation" per se. It's a loss of white male privilege and entitlement present since Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2014 #98

Recent immigrants, from which huge swaths of the country are comprised, My Good Babushka Mar 2014 #123

The American caste system is changing and white right wing males are angry Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2014 #152

That's not really in dispute My Good Babushka Mar 2014 #162

The only ones exclusing themselves from society, are the angry white males Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2014 #183

I read some of the reviews My Good Babushka Mar 2014 #188

The solution is awareness of what these angry groups are doing, why they're doing it, and what Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2014 #203

Sarah, I think a lot of it may be the loss of jobs by so many white working class men.. whathehell Mar 2014 #140

I think it's definitely part of it. A lot of it has to do with women, blacks, gay rights, and the Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2014 #147

And they're all living in my community. Baitball Blogger Mar 2014 #72

How lucky! Well, to be honest, I think I must've gotten quite a few of "yours" Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2014 #78

We are pawns in a greater game and always have been LittleBlue Mar 2014 #109

YES!!! Thank you. That's why I encourage everyone to read this book... Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2014 #111

Which is why 62% of white men voted for Romney.... YoungDemCA Mar 2014 #119

god, that is a depressing stat. we need to make inroads with these people and jobs would do it... bettyellen Mar 2014 #165

Which is one huge reason the Rs have opposed any action to create decent jobs. Dark n Stormy Knight Mar 2014 #282

True, god forbid we dig the USA out of the hole they created. bettyellen Mar 2014 #283

Especially when they have a huge percentage of Americans believing that it was the Dems Dark n Stormy Knight Mar 2014 #284

yep, just like Christie did with the GWB- fuck up services and blame a Dem... bettyellen Mar 2014 #285

Gotta hand it to them, they know what works and they aren't afraid to use it. Dark n Stormy Knight Mar 2014 #286

I saw the same thing locally- the campaign manager for a mayoral candidate called the opponent a bettyellen Mar 2014 #287

That is an example of the sort of thing that causes me to lose faith in humanity. Dark n Stormy Knight Mar 2014 #293

That mayoral candidate tried to hire me away (I was volunteering for the other guy) and offered me bettyellen Mar 2014 #294

I was going to ask some questions about this book Vashta Nerada Mar 2014 #121

It's vast and I'm here to introduce the book, not to teach you a class on it. Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2014 #126

Just read the book Pretzel_Warrior Mar 2014 #161

The right to own firearms is a Civil Right enshrined in the Constitution (Bill of Rights). NutmegYankee Mar 2014 #122

I'm not discussing gun rights. This book discusses the mad popularity of gun rights now Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2014 #124

No, actually, it doesn't. NYC_SKP Mar 2014 #135

He does go to a gun show and interview the dude manning the KKK booth. OilemFirchen Mar 2014 #151

You have not read it, but are telling others what the book is or is not about. nt Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2014 #204

Understand. NutmegYankee Mar 2014 #142

Funny how most of the teabag facebook postings I see itsrobert Mar 2014 #125

You checked their gender? lol Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2014 #131

Nice post. YoungDemCA Mar 2014 #134

Koch brothers money. CanonRay Mar 2014 #128

Amen. Koch ga$$$$oline fuels the angry white male groups and propaganda Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2014 #159

Gun nuts and MRA's are afraid Ohio Joe Mar 2014 #138

Oh yes. Terrified. Yes, get the book at the library, or buy it. Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2014 #158

It's also an excellent explanation of what's holding us back as a country. nt MrScorpio Mar 2014 #146

Exactly! It's the 1st book that has explained it so well. Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2014 #157

The people pushing back on this are the people whose ears are burning. LeftyMom Mar 2014 #148

Yes, did you notice? I have to go back over the posts and take note of who said what Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2014 #154

Beg your pardon? OilemFirchen Mar 2014 #164

Actually, what I have said is modest and mild compared to what the book touches on Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2014 #206

You're like a dog with a bone. OilemFirchen Mar 2014 #211

I'm just someone who won't get pushed around by anyone. You don't like it, don't like it. Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2014 #213

... OilemFirchen Mar 2014 #217

You're in an anger group, or you're silly, or it's your ideocracy. NYC_SKP Mar 2014 #221

I'm astounded that you tried to reach out to her... OilemFirchen Mar 2014 #222

looks interesting, thanks. we need more men voting Dem instead of against their best interests. bettyellen Mar 2014 #149

Yes we do. Thank God for the awesome lib men, of every color, religion, etc. nt Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2014 #153

Angry people scare me shenmue Mar 2014 #155

I wouldn't lump fathers' rights supporters in there TransitJohn Mar 2014 #169

Are you saying the writer of the book did a bad thing? Then please read the book. nt Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2014 #182

No, I'm saying TransitJohn Mar 2014 #265

The book itself sets out to prove that mens' rights, fathers' rights, teabag, right wing extremist Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2014 #268

Fathers' rights groups aren't anger groups, they're parents' rights groups TransitJohn Mar 2014 #272

I wouldn't say that. I'd say that black fathers' groups are parent relationship improvement groups Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2014 #273

Then you'd be wrong TransitJohn Mar 2014 #274

So are you saying men's rights and fathers' rights groups are not really anti-feminist? Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2014 #275

Keep lumping and stereotyping TransitJohn Mar 2014 #276

I asked a question which only required a yes or no response. I got no answer. nt Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2014 #277

Please read the book and discover what a horrible person you are. Throd Mar 2014 #278

The reply above yours has got to be the most racist statement I've ever seen on this board. NYC_SKP Mar 2014 #279

I'm not touching it with a ten foot pole TransitJohn Mar 2014 #281

I've heard of this book. Seems pretty good to me. AverageJoe90 Mar 2014 #174

Thanks! I believe one person has a problem with the OP title... Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2014 #181

I've conceded that there is a language barrier here, and I apologize. NYC_SKP Mar 2014 #177

Sorry. The subject line explains the book, and it cannot be changed. Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2014 #180

I'll say this, and you can correct me if I'm wrong. NYC_SKP Mar 2014 #186

Here, I'm going to suggest the better subject line that I think you'll agree is not offensive: NYC_SKP Mar 2014 #189

That's not what he discusses in the book. There were Reagan Democrats, and there are currently Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2014 #207

I was hoping for examples of "aggrieved entitlement"... Zenlitened Mar 2014 #185

That's interesting. OilemFirchen Mar 2014 #191

+1 redqueen Mar 2014 #218

After watching the reaction of those in anger groups, I wonder... Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2014 #210

"watching the reaction of those in anger groups, I wonder..." I want you to read a book: NYC_SKP Mar 2014 #220

Those look useful. OilemFirchen Mar 2014 #223

Indeed, they are. But the best tool from the author, however, isn't provided free of charge. NYC_SKP Mar 2014 #226

The more I read from the book the more I see that YOU are the problem. NYC_SKP Mar 2014 #227

:) Puzzledtraveller Mar 2014 #238

Then you have the wrong book, clearly. nt Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2014 #242

Educate this DUer on how you know their profession better than they joeglow3 Mar 2014 #250

I'm guessing it's because they scored low on South Park's TMI index: Initech Mar 2014 #233

Including "fathers rights" in this discussion is problematic ecstatic Mar 2014 #252

The book includes fathers' rights as one of the offshoots of the anti-woman themes of angry white Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2014 #263

On wages and downward mobility- Lunacee_2013 Mar 2014 #262

Yes, it makes it all come full circle. You're right Right wing fuel is at the bottom of the Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2014 #264

No ruling class goes without a fight. WinkyDink Mar 2014 #266

So true. nt Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2014 #267

Regarding "fathers' rights" redqueen Mar 2014 #270

Thank you, redqueen. Super informative article. nt Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2014 #271

Male menopause and an economy so mean... Orsino Mar 2014 #280

Interesting observation - some here seem to miss your title in the OP! Rex Mar 2014 #292