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socialist_n_TN

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45. Not me. Nothing surprises me about the result so far of this poll........

Sun Mar 2, 2014, 10:45 AM

Mar 2014

It's pretty consistent with similar polls over the last 3 or 4 years. DU is a VERY left-wing place. Not as left wing as me in general, but still pretty darn left. And that's left on economics as well as the social issues.

As I said the only reason we have such big arguments over Third Way political lines between the Democratic Corporatists and the Democratic Socialists is because the Democratic Corporatists have a bigger megaphone and their job is easier. They don't really have to convince anybody here on POSITIONS, all they have to do is disrupt the conversations on positions to make sure they don't get a legitimate hearing. And of course, to make sure we vote for Democrats. Vote for the "D", even if they're neo-liberal Democratic Corporatists.

BTW, do you like my new label for the neo-liberal Dems? I kind of like "Democratic Corporatists". It boils down their policy positions very well.

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What is your opinion about Marxism? [View all] Douglas Carpenter Mar 2014 OP

Like all social science, far from exact nadinbrzezinski Mar 2014 #1

I picked 3, however BainsBane Mar 2014 #2

Not a fan. Throd Mar 2014 #3

As far from an exact science as any socioeconomic theory. Democracyinkind Mar 2014 #4

It is almost as obsolete as capitalism FarCenter Mar 2014 #5

marxist economic analysis of capitalism is good. Warren Stupidity Mar 2014 #6

I basically agree with this.... Nicely put. NT Adrahil Mar 2014 #11

Well said but when it comes to analysing reality malaise Mar 2014 #13

I agree. I am a social democrat because nothing else works Douglas Carpenter Mar 2014 #15

+1 cinnabonbon Mar 2014 #90

Capitalism is much better because it's much more efficient LittleBlue Mar 2014 #7

How does it lead to inefficient economic models that make everyone poor? Gravitycollapse Mar 2014 #12

It leads to economies that unproductively make the wrong stuff LittleBlue Mar 2014 #16

Capitalism serves to produce at whatever cost, regardless of actual demand. Gravitycollapse Mar 2014 #17

Social democracies are not Marxist. DireStrike Mar 2014 #58

Social democracies are absolutely reformist Marxism. Gravitycollapse Mar 2014 #62

This may be a terminology issue. The end goal is what's important. DireStrike Mar 2014 #64

There are alternative explanations for the failure of certain states than "Marxism doesn't work" DireStrike Mar 2014 #40

Groucho or Harpo? Bluenorthwest Mar 2014 #8

Shemp dlwickham Mar 2014 #27

those are not the only options, you know Douglas Carpenter Mar 2014 #33

Awww!!!! Ya beat me to it! LongTomH Mar 2014 #53

I love Marx-a-Lot! Indelible impression. Eleanors38 Mar 2014 #65

No option for me. Here's what I think... Adrahil Mar 2014 #9

It is the most important collection of socio-economic theory in human history. Gravitycollapse Mar 2014 #10

I originally picked 3, but switched to one. NuclearDem Mar 2014 #14

The lack of falsifiability LostOne4Ever Mar 2014 #18

Not Marxism, conflict theory. NuclearDem Mar 2014 #23

I agree conflict theory is laundry_queen Mar 2014 #24

It is falsifiable. It's simply difficult to interpret. Gravitycollapse Mar 2014 #25

Agree, there is so much data and much of it is hidden DireStrike Mar 2014 #41

Marx and Engels lived in a time before modern quantitative analysis... Gravitycollapse Mar 2014 #47

The same people who decry Marxist totalitarianism are perfectly OK with corporatist totalitarianism. baldguy Mar 2014 #19

Yeah, I've noticed that too. Those same people also......... socialist_n_TN Mar 2014 #21

I like that libertarians are trying the "Crony capitalism" argument DireStrike Mar 2014 #61

YES! I've noticed some of the libertarians on FB....... socialist_n_TN Mar 2014 #70

bingo.... mike_c Mar 2014 #51

Pretty interesting results. Of course I picked option 1...... socialist_n_TN Mar 2014 #20

It may be a rebellion against the hijacking of the term "socialist" Curmudgeoness Mar 2014 #28

Oh I actually think that there are a LOT of social democrats...... socialist_n_TN Mar 2014 #44

Oh, how can I forget that the RW consider Obama a socialist! Curmudgeoness Mar 2014 #48

I honestly didn't know what to expect. I am frankly surprised by both the number who think Douglas Carpenter Mar 2014 #31

Not me. Nothing surprises me about the result so far of this poll........ socialist_n_TN Mar 2014 #45

I don't think they're very democratic at all. Maybe demaGOGIC, based on their tactics here. DireStrike Mar 2014 #60

True, but since I capitalized the "Democratic"........ socialist_n_TN Mar 2014 #71

"Marxism leads you to think long term" joshcryer Mar 2014 #75

So, I'm a disruptor? brooklynite Mar 2014 #91

I didn't call anyone out specifically....... socialist_n_TN Mar 2014 #96

a revealing poll. nt NoGOPZone Mar 2014 #22

Useful, but a bit old-fashioned... Deep13 Mar 2014 #26

I didn't read any until I was nearly 40. Starry Messenger Mar 2014 #29

Marxism is fatally flawed. kwassa Mar 2014 #30

human nature Puzzledtraveller Mar 2014 #37

Good at identifying the problem, less so at arriving at a realistic solution. Tommy_Carcetti Mar 2014 #32

good observation Puzzledtraveller Mar 2014 #39

+1 JustAnotherGen Mar 2014 #55

Excellent response. sibelian Mar 2014 #56

looked ok on paper, but wasn't in practice... dionysus Mar 2014 #34

I think it is a good discussion to have. Enthusiast Mar 2014 #35

I need some stuff, those of you that have more than I Puzzledtraveller Mar 2014 #36

So you are against progressive taxation? DireStrike Mar 2014 #42

Karl Marx Is the World’s Most Influential Scholar Ichingcarpenter Mar 2014 #38

hard to say -- because to a certain extent -- we're all marxists. xchrom Mar 2014 #43

Now see, this is something I've thought (and said before)........ socialist_n_TN Mar 2014 #46

A system of dialectical materialism Recursion Mar 2014 #49

Yet another thing Marx was right about: it was offside! DireStrike Mar 2014 #59

I think you're thinking of this clip BelgianMadCow Mar 2014 #97

Yes, the dialectical materialism is somewhat cartoonish and the predictions mostly wrong Chathamization Mar 2014 #80

I Make FANTASTIC Goulash! Dirty Socialist Mar 2014 #50

parsley root? I will have to remember that Douglas Carpenter Mar 2014 #57

Don't Forget Dirty Socialist Mar 2014 #68

Ha! I had no idea. pangaia Mar 2014 #103

Sometimes useful as an analytical tool, worthless as a source of solutions nt geek tragedy Mar 2014 #52

Hooray for Captain Spaulding! JHB Mar 2014 #54

Marxism is the philosophical system responsible for the greatest death toll in human history kwassa Mar 2014 #63

Claims made by one author of one book. idendoit Mar 2014 #66

50 million in the Inquisition? Oh, please. kwassa Mar 2014 #67

The period mentioned covers 1300 years. Link below. idendoit Mar 2014 #69

Um, your source is a computer scientist, not a historian. kwassa Mar 2014 #72

Neither apparently are the authors of the book you link to. idendoit Mar 2014 #76

wow, you are so clever. kwassa Mar 2014 #77

Don't you wish you were. idendoit Mar 2014 #81

Regardless of the variance in the numbers, Marxism still wins in the death category. kwassa Mar 2014 #84

No one remotely comes close to the Catholic Church. idendoit Mar 2014 #98

sorry, that is an absurd comparison. kwassa Mar 2014 #99

You first. idendoit Mar 2014 #100

It is your assertion to prove. kwassa Mar 2014 #102

You claimed Marxism was resposible for 94 million deaths. idendoit Mar 2014 #104

No, you played games by posting false information. kwassa Mar 2014 #105

After you had posted false information... idendoit Mar 2014 #106

The Inquisition wasn't founded until the 1150s, though Recursion Mar 2014 #82

Matthew White has the best statistics: joshcryer Mar 2014 #74

What part of Marxism was responsible for that death toll? Gravitycollapse Mar 2014 #79

The part of Marxism practiced by Communist countries, of course. kwassa Mar 2014 #85

You didn't answer my question. Gravitycollapse Mar 2014 #86

The application part. kwassa Mar 2014 #88

Would you please elaborate in more than three words? Gravitycollapse Mar 2014 #92

well, this dictatorship of the proletariat. kwassa Mar 2014 #95

Isn't it incumbent in these discussions to first establish LanternWaste Mar 2014 #89

Marx was right about almost every fucking thing. joshcryer Mar 2014 #73

My opinion is, Marxism >>>>>>>>>>>>> Capitalism. eom PowerToThePeople Mar 2014 #78

I think it fails in almost every way. unreadierLizard Mar 2014 #83

Another in a long line of imaginary forces we predicate our decisions and our lives on. LanternWaste Mar 2014 #87

I passed, but anti-Semitism seems to me - to some extent - closeupready Mar 2014 #93

It's also interesting that Marx is supposedly the anti-Christ, yet Engels closeupready Mar 2014 #94

I wonder how many of the people who responded negatively Warpy Mar 2014 #101