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polly7

(20,582 posts)
17. You make as much sense as McCain.
Sun Mar 2, 2014, 01:35 PM
Mar 2014

Listen to yourself.

Were you Georgian right along with him when western media was lying about events there, too? I imagine so!

And no, Iraq was an atrocity for empire and oil, intervention was called for by NO-ONE. Unlike the people of Crimea who undoubtedly have great fear after all the violence and hatred.

LMAO, is right.

Pro-Russian Crimeans welcome Moscow's decision to send troops
Pro-Russian residents in Crimea's largest cities have shown their approval for Moscow's decision to send additional troops to the Ukrainian peninsula. But not everyone is happy that the crisis has taken this turn.

http://www.dw.de/image/0,,17467431_303,00.jpg

Cars flying Russian flags passed cheering people on the streets of Sevastopol and Simferopol on Saturday (01.03.2014) as pro-Russian Crimeans welcomed the unanimous decision by the Russian parliament to approve the use of the armed forces in Ukraine.
The news followed an earlier decision to move up a referendum on the status of the semi-autonomous region from May 25 to March 30, a decision that was greeted with enthusiasm by Crimea's Russian community, who make up about 60 percent of the population. The referendum could be the first step towards greater independence for the peninsula, and could lead to a possible secession from Ukraine or even a decision to join the Russian Federation.

Symbol of bravery

On Saturday, mass rallies were held in Crimea's two major cities. In Sevastopol, a crowd estimated at more than 5,000 people gathered in the main square, not far from the city's administration building.

Pro-Russian residents of Sevastopol wear the St. George's Ribbon

Many Crimeans have been waving Russian flags and wearing the St. George's Ribbon

They chanted "Rossiya, Rossiya!" and many wore the St. George's Ribbon, a well-known Russian symbol of military valor that is worn in remembrance of the victory over Nazi Germany. In 1941-1942, the seaport of Sevastopol was the scene of one of the fiercest battles of World War II. Russia's Black Sea Fleet is still stationed in the city today under a lease agreement with the Ukrainian government.


Rarely has the atmosphere here been so politically charged. In cafes, grocery stores and on the street, politics is all anyone talks about. Until very recently, it was completely different. "Normally, it's very, very quiet," said Galina, a small business owner. "We stayed silent during the protests in Kyiv, up until the new government decided to overturn the language law. That was the last straw. Suddenly, 30,000 people filled this square."


http://www.dw.de/pro-russian-crimeans-welcome-moscows-decision-to-send-troops/a-17467545


This brings back memories of how badly people here tried to shut up certain of us who dared point out the tens of thousands in the streets protesting against the no-fly zone in Libya.


The Russian Stronghold in Ukraine Preparing to Fight the Revolution

Lawmakers and worried citizens in the pro-Russia Crimea consider their options

By Simon Shuster / Sevastopol @shustryFeb. 23, 2014525

A Ukrainian woman holds a Soviet flag during a rally in the industrial city of Donetsk, in eastern Ukraine, on Feb. 22, 2014

The busload of officers only began to feel safe when they entered the Crimean peninsula. Through the night on Friday, they drove the length of Ukraine from north to south, having abandoned the capital city of Kiev to the revolution. Along the way the protesters in several towns pelted their bus with eggs, rocks and, at one point, what looked to be blood before the retreating officers realized it was only ketchup. “People were screaming, cursing at us,” recalls one of the policemen, Vlad Roditelev.

Finally, on Saturday morning, the bus reached the refuge of Crimea, the only chunk of Ukraine where the revolution has failed to take hold. Connected to the mainland by two narrow passes, this huge peninsula on the Black Sea has long been a land apart, an island of Russian nationalism in a nation drifting toward Europe. One of its biggest cities, Sevastopol, is home to a Russian naval base that houses around 25,000 troops, and most Crimean residents identify themselves as Russians, not Ukrainians.

So when the forces of the revolution took over the national parliament on Friday, pledging to rid Ukraine of Russian influence and integrate with Europe, the people of Crimea panicked. Some began to form militias, others sent distress calls to the Kremlin. And if the officers of the Berkut riot police are now despised throughout the rest of the country for killing dozens of protesters in Kiev this week, they were welcomed in Crimea as heroes.

For Ukraine’s revolutionary leaders, that presents an urgent problem. In a matter of days, their sympathizers managed to seize nearly the entire country, including some of the most staunchly pro-Russian regions of eastern Ukraine. But they have made barely any headway on the Crimean peninsula. On the contrary, the revolution has given the ethnic Russian majority in Crimea their best chance ever to break away from Kiev’s rule and come back under the control of Russia. “An opportunity like this has never come along,” says Tatyana Yermakova, the head of the Russian Community of Sevastopol, a civil-society group in Crimea.


Read more: Crimea, Russian Stronghold in Ukraine, Is Ready to Fight Revolution | TIME.com http://world.time.com/2014/02/23/the-russian-stronghold-in-ukraine-preparing-to-fight-the-revolution/#ixzz2upQsd8u7

http://world.time.com/2014/02/23/the-russian-stronghold-in-ukraine-preparing-to-fight-the-revolution/
They are doing everything they can to blunt criticism including throwing this slight doubt into stevenleser Mar 2014 #1
Yup.. look how many here tried to claim it wasn't Russians NT Adrahil Mar 2014 #2
I missed that arely staircase Mar 2014 #11
Carnival in Crimea polly7 Mar 2014 #3
Are you really trying to make that argument? stevenleser Mar 2014 #4
YES, I really am trying to make that argument! polly7 Mar 2014 #6
If it is a strawman, prove it. Did you support the Iraq war? stevenleser Mar 2014 #10
Russia is not 'invading' the Ukraine. polly7 Mar 2014 #12
LMAO. We were liberators in Iraq too. Didnt you get the Bush memo? Listen to yourself. nt stevenleser Mar 2014 #14
You make as much sense as McCain. polly7 Mar 2014 #17
LMAO, McCain thinks breathing is essential for life so we should stop because he said it. stevenleser Mar 2014 #18
Sorry, I don't believe you know what you're talking about. polly7 Mar 2014 #21
Wait, I'm confused. Are you saying the Kiev protesters should not ask the US for help? sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #41
Referendum already moved forward to 30th March. dipsydoodle Mar 2014 #5
Thank you!!! polly7 Mar 2014 #8
Sorry, you better move.n/t sadoldgirl Mar 2014 #38
Wild guess libodem Mar 2014 #7
Didn't they come from the Russian base already there? nt arely staircase Mar 2014 #13
Who knows? libodem Mar 2014 #35
Plausible Deniability VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #9
got to be the most implausible plausibe deniability ever nt arely staircase Mar 2014 #16
Plausible deniability of course. hobbit709 Mar 2014 #15
Easy three main reasons AnalystInParadise Mar 2014 #19
I think one and two make sense arely staircase Mar 2014 #22
Speculation is that they're Berkut. Igel Mar 2014 #36
Skin heads? rdharma Mar 2014 #27
No I really don't AnalystInParadise Mar 2014 #31
Russia has plenty of skinheads....... rdharma Mar 2014 #34
Not security force AnalystInParadise Mar 2014 #42
Oh? Let's hear your thoughts on WHY they would employ skinheads. nt rdharma Mar 2014 #43
I read yesterday that they are Russia's private contractors, not active military. OregonBlue Mar 2014 #20
It is not an uncommon practice sarisataka Mar 2014 #23
but isn't the total lack of national identification that characterizes the Russians in Crimea arely staircase Mar 2014 #24
It depends on unit practice sarisataka Mar 2014 #25
Or the way the Japanese painted a big red target on everything jberryhill Mar 2014 #28
US pilots loved those red disks sarisataka Mar 2014 #29
Hence the random serial/tail numbers on vehicles and airplanes Recursion Mar 2014 #30
Forget that, what are they doing there without a hall pass! jberryhill Mar 2014 #26
Russia Today (rt.com): Happy Happy Happy aristocles Mar 2014 #32
I's amusing how one of the signs arrogates "Rus'" to Russia. Igel Mar 2014 #39
This message was self-deleted by its author aristocles Mar 2014 #33
More importantly, things are somewhat peaceful seveneyes Mar 2014 #37
Plausible deniability plus s fair amount of paramilitaries. nt Democracyinkind Mar 2014 #40
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