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dixiegrrrrl

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112. because I addressed Kerry's remarks does not mean I limit hpocrisy to just Bush.

Sun Mar 2, 2014, 02:54 PM

Mar 2014

US has a history of sending troops into other countries since 1880's at least:

Nicaragua (1856-1857; 1894; 1896;1898; 1899; 1907; 1910; 1912-1933; 1981-1990
Argentina (1890),
Chile (1891; 1973),
Haiti (1891; 1914-1934; 1994; 2004-2005),
Hawaii (1893-),
China (1895-1895; 1898-1900; 1911-1941; 1922-1927; 1927-1934; 1948-1949; 1951-1953; 1958),
Korea (1894-1896; 1904-1905; 1951-1953),
Panama (1895; 1901-1914; 1908; 1912; 1918-1920; 1925; 1958; 1964; 1989-),
Philippines (1898-1910; 1948-1954; 1989; 2002-),
Cuba (1898-1902; 1906-1909; 1912; 1917-1933; 1961; 1962),
Puerto Rico (1898-; 1950; );
Guam (1898-),
Samoa (1899-),
Honduras (1903; 1907; 1911; 1912; 1919; 1924-1925; 1983-1989),
Dominican Republic (1903-1904; 1914; 1916-1924; 1965-1966),
Yugoslavia (1919; 1946; 1992-1994; 1999),
Guatemala (1920; 1954; 1966-1967),
Turkey (1922),
El Salvador (1932; 1981-1992),
Libya (1981; 1986; 1989; 2011),
Egypt (1956; 1967; 1973; 2013),
Iran (1946; 1953; 1980; 1984; 1987-1988; ),
Uruguay (1947),
Greece (1947-1949),
Vietnam (1954; 1960-1975),
Lebanon (1958; 1982-1984),
Iraq (1958; 1963; 1990-1991; 1990-2003; 1998; 2003-2011),
Laos (1962-),
Indonesia (1965),
Cambodia (1969-1975; 1975),
Oman (1970),
Laos (1971-1973),
Angola (1976-1992),
Grenada (1983-1984),
Bolivia (1986; ),
Virgin Islands (1989),
Liberia (1990; 1997; 2003),
Saudi Arabia (1990-1991),
Kuwait (1991),
Somalia (1992-1994; 2006),
Bosnia (1993-),
Zaire (Congo) (1996-1997),
Albania (1997),
Sudan (1998),
Afghanistan (1998; 2001-),
Yemen (2000; 2002-),
Macedonia (2001),
Colombia (2002-),
Pakistan (2005-),
Syria (2008; 2011-),
Uganda (2011),
Mali (2013),
Niger (2013).

sources:
http://www.countercurrents.org/polya050713.htm
and
http://academic.evergreen.edu/g/grossmaz/interventions.html

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"Russia is invading another country on completely trumped up pretext" [View all] dixiegrrrrl Mar 2014 OP

heh. KG Mar 2014 #1

And the circle is complete. LuvNewcastle Mar 2014 #2

Did he say it with a straight face? n/t Raven Mar 2014 #3

Straight is the only face John Kerry has. n/t JayhawkSD Mar 2014 #52

He said it with a long face 1000words Mar 2014 #126

k&r... spanone Mar 2014 #4

Kerry should be careful given his vote on the invasion of Iraq malaise Mar 2014 #5

Exactly! dixiegrrrrl Mar 2014 #7

+1,000 malaise Mar 2014 #9

Exactly. I think his inner-radical is still alive, somehwere in there. But he sold out years ago. reformist2 Mar 2014 #43

Somewhere, along his attempted way to the White House MoonRiver Mar 2014 #48

In his defense Orrex Mar 2014 #12

Bwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah malaise Mar 2014 #15

Amazing - DU mimicing Rush Limbaugh etc karynnj Mar 2014 #105

I know, have you seen the attacks on Democrats here we were so accustomed to from sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #120

Never thought I'd see that right-wing saying here... NutmegYankee Mar 2014 #117

I don't doubt that you put more serious work into it than he did Orrex Mar 2014 #124

good one Niceguy1 Mar 2014 #128

In his defense ProSense Mar 2014 #136

By that logic ProSense Mar 2014 #135

IOKIYAA n/t IDemo Mar 2014 #6

du rec. xchrom Mar 2014 #8

Awesome. jsr Mar 2014 #10

All the self-awareness of a rutabaga n/t Fumesucker Mar 2014 #11

See, therein lies the big question: dixiegrrrrl Mar 2014 #18

Message auto-removed Name removed Mar 2014 #25

A proud moment of reckoning... MrMickeysMom Mar 2014 #93

K&R DeSwiss Mar 2014 #13

Butt covering. nt bemildred Mar 2014 #14

Trumped up pretext = lies. Sounds familiar. jwirr Mar 2014 #16

Your SARC is inappropriate... brooklynite Mar 2014 #17

Did he vote For or Against the IWR? The record speaks for itself. hobbit709 Mar 2014 #19

Yes it does. The conditions specified in IWR were not met. stevenleser Mar 2014 #46

perhaps he should have listened to his superiors who spelled it out for him cali Mar 2014 #106

You didnt know anything. You guessed. No one knew because no one had been there. stevenleser Mar 2014 #140

thank you.. stillcool Mar 2014 #130

Are you trying to justify his vote? Because Bush didnt hold up his end of the bargain? Really? nm rhett o rick Mar 2014 #144

Did he know the evidence was cooked when he did? brooklynite Mar 2014 #47

There wasnt any evidence to be cooked. IWR and UN SecRes 1441 were passed to try to get evidence via stevenleser Mar 2014 #49

This Is The Point That Is Always Missed With Iraq Invasion DallasNE Mar 2014 #68

Exactly and perfectly right. I break this all down in this article I wrote back in 2009... stevenleser Mar 2014 #69

I was a little baffled to see a defense of the IWR on DU... Scootaloo Mar 2014 #132

Facts matter. The actual text of IWR matters. The fact that the UN Sec Council's 15 countries stevenleser Mar 2014 #138

Such 'cooking of evidence' would be a huge crime, that crime was never prosecuted or Bluenorthwest Mar 2014 #62

And that is something I talk about semi-regularly. But again, in the context of this discussion... stevenleser Mar 2014 #66

Anyone with half a brain could figure that out and millions did. hobbit709 Mar 2014 #71

So, you are saying that Russia, China, Syria, and the other 15 countries that didnt know and voted stevenleser Mar 2014 #74

I'm not a mindless cheerleader like some people. hobbit709 Mar 2014 #79

That is not an answer. If you think those countries had vested interests that motivated their vote stevenleser Mar 2014 #86

I'm not a denizen of the morass. hobbit709 Mar 2014 #89

Yes "Denizen of the morass" explains away Putin's war crime of an unprovoked war of aggression. stevenleser Mar 2014 #91

sounds a lot like bush's I rag folly noiretextatique Mar 2014 #125

Nope, you should listen to yourself. You are justifying an unprovoked war of aggression in Ukraine stevenleser Mar 2014 #139

US has a track record that goes wayyy before bush dixiegrrrrl Mar 2014 #104

Assuming we accept all of that, how does that justify a Russian war crime? nt stevenleser Mar 2014 #143

I don't know many people.. sendero Mar 2014 #149

Uh-Oh!!! Title wave coming...of LIES ... MrMickeysMom Mar 2014 #20

Oh, another hair shirt argument that because Bush was an asshole... Adrahil Mar 2014 #21

+10 (nt) PosterChild Mar 2014 #37

"We, as a nation, can't ever act in opposition to a tyrant"� MrMickeysMom Mar 2014 #92

I never implied we were perfect. Adrahil Mar 2014 #96

I refer to my post #101... MrMickeysMom Mar 2014 #102

You seriously think war is a reasonable reaction to Russia reinstalling Yanukovich or anyone else? TheKentuckian Mar 2014 #129

"Bush was an asshole"--puhleeze marions ghost Mar 2014 #150

He's such an idiot. He doesn't even realize how ironic that is coming out of his mouth? Democracyinkind Mar 2014 #22

He needs Jon Steward as a speech consultant to point out and avoid the irony. L0oniX Mar 2014 #51

Invading a country on trumped up pretexts is our job zeemike Mar 2014 #23

Eh, most invasions are for trumped-up pretexts. malthaussen Mar 2014 #24

He should know about invading another country on completely trumped up pretext. Autumn Mar 2014 #26

So Russia's unprovoked war of aggression is OK because some of you think Kerry voted to give Bush stevenleser Mar 2014 #27

It's not "OK" it's just that we don't have a moral leg to stand on to criticize it Fumesucker Mar 2014 #30

Sure we do. We have a moral reason to criticize it. As you said, it's not OK. (nt) PosterChild Mar 2014 #41

And of course nobody said Russia is justified in invading. Rex Mar 2014 #111

Is indeed amazing that people read into a post dixiegrrrrl Mar 2014 #119

Yeah that was a LOT of words steven tried to put in peoples mouths! Rex Mar 2014 #121

First, we don't think Kerry voted to give Bush the power to wage an unprovoked and unjustified war, A Simple Game Mar 2014 #60

No, he didn't. I know some of you are heavily invested in that belief, but it isn't true. stevenleser Mar 2014 #64

Kerry voted yes, please deny it again. A Simple Game Mar 2014 #70

I expect that kind of superficial analysis from the Freepers, not from DUers. The analysis is here stevenleser Mar 2014 #73

I didn't think you would deny how he voted, you can't. A Simple Game Mar 2014 #108

I know you are so invested in an incorrect version of events you dont want to know the truth. stevenleser Mar 2014 #141

Of course it's fine. I think Kerry made a mistake by voting yes. A Simple Game Mar 2014 #148

The Russians think they've been provoked pscot Mar 2014 #75

Fail! No one is saying it is ok because of Kerry. L0oniX Mar 2014 #63

The old guard dogs seem to be losing their eyesight. Rex Mar 2014 #110

Nice projection there steven. Rex Mar 2014 #109

I'm the one consistent here. You are the one trying to assert a war crime is ok in one instance and stevenleser Mar 2014 #142

it bring to mind bush decrying russian incursion into georgia. KG Mar 2014 #28

That is so very rich, Mr. "I voted for the Iraq war" John Kerry Oilwellian Mar 2014 #29

Precisely. jsr Mar 2014 #32

Except that logic doesnt really work. stevenleser Mar 2014 #31

You need to get with the program BeyondGeography Mar 2014 #57

LMAO, exactly. Because of that a war crime by Russia/Putin now is OK, of course. stevenleser Mar 2014 #61

Maybe we can find a prison cell for Putin ...and Bush. L0oniX Mar 2014 #65

But it's OK when we do it. RC Mar 2014 #33

well qazplm Mar 2014 #38

Well stated. +10 (nt) PosterChild Mar 2014 #45

It is never OK when anyone does it. RC Mar 2014 #56

Of course it's OK when we do it. That's American exceptionalism. Jack Rabbit Mar 2014 #67

How long after Iraq do we get to start using diplomacy to stop wars of aggression? NuclearDem Mar 2014 #34

Not to mention that the guy we have as President was not in favor of that war. Why should he stevenleser Mar 2014 #39

Oh he can and indeed must protest, that isn't the gist of the dialog here though. TheKentuckian Mar 2014 #134

The fact that the pot is calling the kettle black doesn't mean that the kettle isn't black. 1monster Mar 2014 #35

Excellent way of putting it, even if one temporarily accepts the premise of the OP. nt stevenleser Mar 2014 #42

I'm confused...do people think Putin is a saint or some representative of democracy? Rex Mar 2014 #116

How do I call Putin a saint?! 1monster Mar 2014 #123

No not you, I thought you meant there are people here calling Putin a saint. Rex Mar 2014 #127

The irony is that progressives realize the hypocrisy of such statements, the republicans and right lostincalifornia Mar 2014 #36

Blood thirst is blinding. L0oniX Mar 2014 #53

I think many progressives are missing the greater irony. I think it is much more important to be stevenleser Mar 2014 #54

Did you get that from the Onion? ScreamingMeemie Mar 2014 #40

I thought Blazing Saddles Ichingcarpenter Mar 2014 #55

I'm gad you got the joke. ScreamingMeemie Mar 2014 #95

As I said, it was from Kerry, on Meet the Press. dixiegrrrrl Mar 2014 #83

I thought you would realize I was joking... ScreamingMeemie Mar 2014 #94

sorry..my radar is off today. dixiegrrrrl Mar 2014 #98

It's okay. ScreamingMeemie Mar 2014 #99

It's the BFEE's fault!!!! nt greytdemocrat Mar 2014 #44

Meet the Press = Meet the Moran L0oniX Mar 2014 #50

Ah. So we should just STFU and never speak out on world events again... NutmegYankee Mar 2014 #58

because I addressed Kerry's remarks does not mean I limit hpocrisy to just Bush. dixiegrrrrl Mar 2014 #112

Yes, I know. NutmegYankee Mar 2014 #115

But..but...we got involved for their own good...wellll...kinda...maybe...never mind. Tierra_y_Libertad Mar 2014 #122

"And it didn't cost us a penny dixiegrrrrl Mar 2014 #131

Yeah, there is that. Warren Stupidity Mar 2014 #146

Did someone mention my name? trusty elf Mar 2014 #59

Help me I am confused, I thought American RW liked Putin. gordianot Mar 2014 #72

The ironies and hypocrisies seem to abound here. I think you start from the biggest crime and work stevenleser Mar 2014 #78

THANK YOU for doing the heavy lifting in this thread Nye Bevan Mar 2014 #88

It's twilight zone time on DU with huge support for an unprovoked war of aggression... stevenleser Mar 2014 #100

That's rich. City Lights Mar 2014 #76

No, you don't say. LisaL Mar 2014 #77

so he should just let Netanyahu do JI7 Mar 2014 #80

Bush II Did The Same - Right, America Has Forgotten Already cantbeserious Mar 2014 #81

I think pretty much everyone here will agree that what Bush did was a war crime but Drale Mar 2014 #82

Crimea was a part of Russia for quite some time before Khrushchev (who was Ukrainian) gave it LisaL Mar 2014 #85

remember the "red line in the sand" with Syria? dixiegrrrrl Mar 2014 #87

But you hurt our American feelings by pointing out the rank hypocrisy Rex Mar 2014 #114

Reading Orwell's Notes on Nationalism will explain this all to you stevenleser Mar 2014 #90

Of course you did. Rex Mar 2014 #113

Our moral standing on this was drowned in the Gulf of Tonkin. K&R Tierra_y_Libertad Mar 2014 #84

they've lost all shame and think they're invincible. yurbud Mar 2014 #97

I gotta give it to you, John... MrMickeysMom Mar 2014 #101

Recommend... KoKo Mar 2014 #147

He's right, despite the irony. blackspade Mar 2014 #103

Yes he is right. Rex Mar 2014 #118

Did anyone ask him about Iraq and Dubya and why no charges yet? Rex Mar 2014 #107

Message auto-removed Name removed Mar 2014 #133

Good call jimlup Mar 2014 #137

Just because you write sarcasm under it, does not mean it isn't true. Donald Ian Rankin Mar 2014 #145

Bush invaded Iraq on grounds that Iraq had WMDs...remember? dixiegrrrrl Mar 2014 #152

I'm not a supporter of Russia's action here, but Kerry saying that makes me cringe penultimate Mar 2014 #151

It's amazing Proud Liberal Dem Mar 2014 #153