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Spider Jerusalem

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36. The US government has nothing to do with what happened in Ukraine.

Sun Mar 2, 2014, 03:29 PM

Mar 2014

And most of the violence there has been directed against protesters by the government. A majority of Ukrainians support association with the EU, and not with a Russian trade bloc. The interesting thing about the discussions around the Ukraine issue, from the perspective of an American living in Europe, is the degree of reflexive American arrogance presumed even by the American "left" (arrogance in the preumption of an American influence on events that have nothing whatever to do with the US).

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What will it take to stop our government from covertly overthrowing other governments? [View all] yurbud Mar 2014 OP

Success? jberryhill Mar 2014 #1

How is our gov't baiting the Ukraine? nt babylonsister Mar 2014 #2

we are baiting Russia by backing the right wing coup in the Ukraine yurbud Mar 2014 #6

There was a coup that had to be reacted to. babylonsister Mar 2014 #8

Ever notice we never seek out the peacemakers? Only those who can be bought. Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2014 #22

So if a group of diplomats have a phone call, they are directing a coup? stevenleser Mar 2014 #10

a) did you read the call and b) do you know the history of the last 60 years? yurbud Mar 2014 #13

I not only read it, I replayed it on my show and covered it extensively. stevenleser Mar 2014 #14

Its very clear the speakers are either controlling or negotiating with cprise Mar 2014 #17

No, it's very clear the speakers are negotiating with the UN and other world leaders to mediate the stevenleser Mar 2014 #19

Yes, they want the UN to sanction what they're doing cprise Mar 2014 #20

Thank You Yurbud! tech3149 Mar 2014 #34

We exist ergo we are baiting them! whistler162 Mar 2014 #30

Seriously, do you not know? tech3149 Mar 2014 #33

, blkmusclmachine Mar 2014 #3

End government corruption. Clean up elections to get better and more Cleita Mar 2014 #4

That's an interesting question Scootaloo Mar 2014 #5

I agree with most of your analysis except the evil empire stuff yurbud Mar 2014 #7

What I mean by that... Scootaloo Mar 2014 #9

when you read the declassified, behind the scenes stuff, it is surprisingly clear-eyed yurbud Mar 2014 #40

Even the NAZIS could be quite pragmatic in private yurbud Mar 2014 #41

Agreed again but I think you miss an important point tech3149 Mar 2014 #35

Defund the MIC. Tierra_y_Libertad Mar 2014 #11

how about ,no more wars til they find the last 8.5 trillion they lost? questionseverything Mar 2014 #18

that's a good idea yurbud Mar 2014 #24

Cut their budget substantially. democratisphere Mar 2014 #12

When it's no longer profitable they will stop. n/t defacto7 Mar 2014 #15

When we cease being an empire BainsBane Mar 2014 #16

Easy: End the Cold War Policy of the United States representing, promoting, and IMPOSING Capitalism. Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2014 #21

if we could just eliminate the third, that would be great--and get them to actually respect other yurbud Mar 2014 #23

It's like the World Bank - Designed to keep them in debt... Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2014 #27

Just Follow The Money! Preventing multinational wealthy RW 1% corporatists from buying legislators. Zorra Mar 2014 #25

stop voting for the candidates they put forward reddread Mar 2014 #26

Except that there are only two choices at General Election time: Zorra Mar 2014 #28

not true reddread Mar 2014 #29

It's always America's fault. Drunken Irishman Mar 2014 #31

Right Message, wrong message board reddread Mar 2014 #32

The US government has nothing to do with what happened in Ukraine. Spider Jerusalem Mar 2014 #36

LOL! Like hell they didn't! reformist2 Mar 2014 #37

Electing Obama clearly didn't do the trick. He may not be one of "them," but he hasn't stopped them. reformist2 Mar 2014 #38

This overthrow of Yanukovych has the CIA rusty fender Mar 2014 #39

Obama isn't an idiot, so either he's complicit or isn't actually in charge of his own foreign policy yurbud Mar 2014 #42