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102. What is simple to me

Sun Mar 2, 2014, 04:33 PM

Mar 2014

is that Putin invaded a sovereign nation. No matter what the pretext, that is undeniable. He is not some good samaritan out to rescue his peeps. He's an authoritarian jackass with no compunction about running over whoever he has to to fulfill whatever grand plan he has in mind.

I'm sure there are many reasons that he wants to invade, but it's because of the goodness of his heart.

I DON'T favor the US taking any military action.
Freeze any and every asset that can be linked to people in that country. Crack own on visas. The elite in that country are rich and not nearly as powerless as some think. That will get a reaction.

Sabre rattling by anybody is not effective unless Putin believes it will be used. Rattle the money at him. It talks everywhere.

The Ukraine is a very complex situation that has to be worked out by them.

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Why is Putin getting a pass from many? [View all] Are_grits_groceries Mar 2014 OP

snowden JI7 Mar 2014 #1

I support Snowden and I call total bullshit on giving Putin any pass. Are_grits_groceries Mar 2014 #2

not you JI7 Mar 2014 #5

absurd!! G_j Mar 2014 #11

it isn't exclusive but I would bet Snowden's most ardent defenders and those giving Putin a pass arely staircase Mar 2014 #28

I think you are wrong. nt Mojorabbit Mar 2014 #90

Proves that this coward is/was probably a Russian Spy question everything Mar 2014 #3

Oh, BS on Snowden was a spy. Are_grits_groceries Mar 2014 #7

huh? " Proves that this coward is/was probably a Russian Spy" 2banon Mar 2014 #74

" Proves that this coward is/was probably a Russian Spy" bvar22 Mar 2014 #98

Bingo frazzled Mar 2014 #8

oh come on G_j Mar 2014 #16

You can think Snowden did the right thing without also thinking Putin is some kind of good guy. alarimer Mar 2014 #57

but Snowden believes Russia is all human rightsy Whisp Mar 2014 #100

I missed that quote from Snowden. Do you have a link? 2banon Mar 2014 #105

Here: Whisp Mar 2014 #113

I can see your pov wrt to that statement.. 2banon Mar 2014 #117

Your rationalization is reminiscent of the Iraq's WMD crowd. 2banon Mar 2014 #79

WHA???? frazzled Mar 2014 #85

"people on the left supporting this ex-KGB...." 2banon Mar 2014 #91

You're still way wrong frazzled Mar 2014 #95

perhaps you've missed the calls for military action against Putin/Russia here on du? 2banon Mar 2014 #107

But that's not what I was writing frazzled Mar 2014 #108

I'm in agreement there.. 2banon Mar 2014 #111

yep, first thing I thought of too. Whisp Mar 2014 #20

correct, the Snowden army itsrobert Mar 2014 #24

dice. lots are dice arely staircase Mar 2014 #30

thanks itsrobert Mar 2014 #31

A divination device Recursion Mar 2014 #71

Excellent. itsrobert Mar 2014 #77

Iraq, apparently. NuclearDem Mar 2014 #4

not When it comes to Israel JI7 Mar 2014 #10

Just a guess OKNancy Mar 2014 #6

+1. William769 Mar 2014 #12

I love the hippy punching nadinbrzezinski Mar 2014 #17

I have no idea what this post is supposed to mean OKNancy Mar 2014 #19

Hippy punching textbook example nadinbrzezinski Mar 2014 #25

you are wrong. You did not understand what I wrote OKNancy Mar 2014 #29

And of course I did not nadinbrzezinski Mar 2014 #35

Emoprogs are not hippies. They're wannabes and posers. OilemFirchen Mar 2014 #49

You have to admit ... Aerows Mar 2014 #124

best Whoosh post I have seen for a while. Whisp Mar 2014 #21

well that is the non sequiter of the day. nt arely staircase Mar 2014 #32

Wow! How you got whatever that was from Skidmore Mar 2014 #34

The OP asked why some people on DU defend Putin OKNancy Mar 2014 #40

I thought you were simply outlining reasons why people seem to be Skidmore Mar 2014 #42

what you posted was a very short hop away from calling everyone Warren Stupidity Mar 2014 #43

do you read LBN much? OKNancy Mar 2014 #46

Will commie loving homophobic bigots work? William769 Mar 2014 #47

Yes that was pretty much what was implied. Warren Stupidity Mar 2014 #54

I just wanted it to be perfectly clear William769 Mar 2014 #63

No hippies were harmed in the production of the post to which Pretzel_Warrior Mar 2014 #58

Do you think we should launch an attack on Uganda for their "Kill the Gays" policies? 2banon Mar 2014 #73

let's read what I wrote again. OKNancy Mar 2014 #89

my apologies.. 2banon Mar 2014 #93

Who is "giving Putin a pass"? Fumesucker Mar 2014 #9

Thank you, there appears to be an effort to manufactor a meme G_j Mar 2014 #23

Because most folks here do not believe we should engage with our military in the Ukraine, some lostincalifornia Mar 2014 #103

Anyone who thinks avoiding WWIII is a good idea, presumably. sibelian Mar 2014 #27

oh but the op denies it all. Warren Stupidity Mar 2014 #44

I have to wonder if these people were calling opponents to the Iraq invasion "Hussein lovers" Marr Mar 2014 #68

well yes, that argument was made. But more recently, Syria. Warren Stupidity Mar 2014 #75

Who are "many"? LittleBlue Mar 2014 #13

No, but there are many articles that have been posted here by Putin propaganda media okaawhatever Mar 2014 #51

You mean like Voice of America? nadinbrzezinski Mar 2014 #81

Yes, and a post just went up linking to Fareed Zakaria, who is often criticized for his right-wing Maedhros Mar 2014 #115

You know nadinbrzezinski Mar 2014 #14

US bad, anyone else good qazplm Mar 2014 #15

Hmmmm, maybe sibelian Mar 2014 #96

There are people on DU who aren't American, and there are some who TwilightGardener Mar 2014 #18

More hippy punching nadinbrzezinski Mar 2014 #33

Quite a leap to go from my reasoning why some defend Russia's invasion TwilightGardener Mar 2014 #38

It is hippy punching nadinbrzezinski Mar 2014 #41

Again, there are people who are anti-American here. That's an observation TwilightGardener Mar 2014 #48

I grew in a country where Yankee go home nadinbrzezinski Mar 2014 #61

+10,000 nt okaawhatever Mar 2014 #52

Uh, your second and third sentences TransitJohn Mar 2014 #87

No one on DU is lauding Putin or defending him. cali Mar 2014 #22

Damn sure fooled me! William769 Mar 2014 #36

Not as hard as she's trying to fool everyone else Number23 Mar 2014 #126

The threat among the Ukrainians for Are_grits_groceries Mar 2014 #37

The far right who's grandfathers did their best to make sure there were Warren Stupidity Mar 2014 #45

Amen. OilemFirchen Mar 2014 #53

I think it boils down to a sort of national self-loathing. Adrahil Mar 2014 #26

I don't like the US mucking about all over the world either Are_grits_groceries Mar 2014 #39

Neither do I... but as I said... Adrahil Mar 2014 #78

Yes, but what's really strange is they oppose BainsBane Mar 2014 #66

who exactly is justifying it "by Putin"? Warren Stupidity Mar 2014 #82

A lot of people are justifying the former Ukranian government BainsBane Mar 2014 #88

I haven't seen any Putin apologists 2banon Mar 2014 #114

Really? BainsBane Mar 2014 #121

I was very engaged during that period 2banon Mar 2014 #125

WHO exactly justifies Putin's authoritarian surveillance? 2banon Mar 2014 #109

They are justifying his invasion of Crimea BainsBane Mar 2014 #110

who is "they" ? You mean Snowden? 2banon Mar 2014 #112

No, Duers BainsBane Mar 2014 #123

Putin never gets a pass from me Starry Messenger Mar 2014 #50

Apparently because Bush is a War Criminal Drale Mar 2014 #55

Thank you for being another voice of reason Pretzel_Warrior Mar 2014 #56

Some of it derives from the perceived "victory"... OilemFirchen Mar 2014 #59

Who is giving him a pass? Seems to me he's doing similar to bush. Autumn Mar 2014 #60

Because the U.S. is not the world's police. This is not our problem to deal with. The E.U. is much OregonBlue Mar 2014 #62

It's weird. Benton D Struckcheon Mar 2014 #64

Authoritarians always seem to equate "you don't want my war" with Marr Mar 2014 #65

+ brazillion nadinbrzezinski Mar 2014 #67

The poster expliictly says they do not support military action BainsBane Mar 2014 #69

Oh, c'mon-- let's drop the cute little word games. Marr Mar 2014 #72

The problem is your refusal or inabiity to think BainsBane Mar 2014 #76

I doubt this nation will get into a war. We do need to stand up for Ukrainian independence hrmjustin Mar 2014 #86

it is tiresome. Warren Stupidity Mar 2014 #83

What pass? What justification? TheKentuckian Mar 2014 #70

Spot On TheKentuckian! 2banon Mar 2014 #119

I'm ignorant.� stillcool Mar 2014 #80

its none of our business. We need to stop involving ourselves in every conflict that comes along. bowens43 Mar 2014 #84

An entire thread filled with right wing memes. What fun. JoeyT Mar 2014 #92

... sibelian Mar 2014 #97

Adding my appreciation for your well made points n/t 2banon Mar 2014 #120

You acknowledge the situtation is not simple, yet ... 1000words Mar 2014 #94

What is simple to me Are_grits_groceries Mar 2014 #102

Putin holds the cards 1000words Mar 2014 #104

I understand the situation just fine. Are_grits_groceries Mar 2014 #106

Putin ProSense Mar 2014 #99

Sorry I don't see that. What I do see is that many if not most on DU do NOT believe we should be lostincalifornia Mar 2014 #101

I am happy to see the opulent Mr 1% Yanukovich thrown out. I'm curious as to why Russia is involved. L0oniX Mar 2014 #116

Message auto-removed Name removed Mar 2014 #118

Hold on just one second...are you saying TwilightGardener Mar 2014 #122