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BelgianMadCow

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Mon Mar 3, 2014, 03:58 AM Mar 2014

I'm so very proud of DU's ability to deal with nuance (re: Ukraine). [View all]

Your mainstream media start beating war drums (again). Your leaders start using cold war rhetoric. Your national debate and debate on DU is often mired in "with us or against us" rhetoric.

And yet, it would seem that you have no appetite for war in Ukraine. The fact that the ultra-nationalist and anti-semitic Svoboda and the neonazis of Pravy Sektor took a leading role in the protest and now hold the ministry for security does give you pause. You do see that an unelected government that declares the language of half the population illegal may not be the most democratic. Please note that when Klitschko went to defend the agreement brokered by the EU to the people on Maidan, Svoboda grabbed his mike and shouted for an ultimatum.

You haven't missed neocon Victoria Nuland's actions in the Ukraine. Like me, you probably wonder what exactly 5 billion bought (clearly not food stamps for americans in need). Protesters were being paid on Maidan.

So you don't have an appetite for more spreading of "democracy and freedom". You remember Iraq, and Kerry's statement strikes you as totally hollow.

Like me, you're no fan of the oligarch Putin, and you support people that rise up against oligarchs, as would seem to have been the case in Ukraine. Yet you aren't asleep about the possibility of colored revolutions.

Reasonable people can disagree about how colored that revolution exactly is, but they don't close their eyes to the fate of half the population. That means at least considering how they might feel, and reading beyond your own propaganda outlets.

It especially means not dividing the world in black and white, but considering nuance and complexity. I know the above does not apply to all, but at least to many, and I can't tell you how glad I am to see it. The world doesn't consist of rah-rah-patriots and Putin lovers, but of people, and we only stand a chance united.

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what's the russian equivalent of lebensraum l:-) nt msongs Mar 2014 #1
I read about the law from Kiev banning the language of half the people there. Saw interviews sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #2
Absolutely it did (the language law change) newthinking Mar 2014 #3
Thanks, sabrina. Of course, we cannot forget about the minorities in Crimea like the Tatars, either BelgianMadCow Mar 2014 #4
there won't be an intervention shaayecanaan Mar 2014 #5
I don't think so either. BelgianMadCow Mar 2014 #6
to keep them safe from the russians? shaayecanaan Mar 2014 #10
looks likes there's a lot of peace to be kept BelgianMadCow Mar 2014 #12
Poor Russia spends 90 billion a year on their military and we spend 680 billion... L0oniX Mar 2014 #17
Thanks for that nuanced and complex summary. ;) reformist2 Mar 2014 #7
kick eom Agony Mar 2014 #8
A reasonably nuanced post... Adrahil Mar 2014 #9
Excellent post malaise Mar 2014 #11
The ability of some to twist themselves into supporting an unprovoked war of aggression is something stevenleser Mar 2014 #13
Go speak for yourself. Because you're sure as hell not speaking for me. Tommy_Carcetti Mar 2014 #14
What does the Corporate Media have to say about all this? sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #15
Russian was not "outlawed" in Ukraine. Tommy_Carcetti Mar 2014 #16
Looks like the people are pretty alarmed by this development. Apparently it drove them to appeal to sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #18
There's been no reports of any type of widespread anti-Russian violence in Ukraine. Tommy_Carcetti Mar 2014 #20
BelgianMadCow has been pushing Nazi meme since last year Pretzel_Warrior Mar 2014 #19
I started posting about it when I saw a who's who in the German media BelgianMadCow Mar 2014 #21
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