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joshcryer

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41. I don't think it's as bad as other ventures.

Mon Mar 3, 2014, 06:01 AM

Mar 2014

On a scale of occupying adventures. It's just going to be a long term territorial dispute. Ukraine won't acknowledge Russia's claims over Crimea, there will probably be forced relocation of ethnic Ukrainians and Tartar's, same usual crap.

I just worry what happens if Putin goes into Ukraine proper, if he does, then I would support Ukrainians fighting back (but I would not necessarily call for intervention; if the Poles want some action, I might not be against it either, etc).

I think Ukraine doesn't have many options and they're facing austerity and bullshit no matter how it goes. The EU is as bitter of a pill as Russia. I just think if Russia takes the territory and then Ukraine still goes with Russia then you're looking at a trust relationship that starts off on shitty grounds. It'd be like going to the wedding the day after the requited beat you up.

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The Putinists have convinced me, Mexico can have legitimate claim to Santa Fe de Nuevo Mexico. [View all] joshcryer Mar 2014 OP

"Putinists?" 1000words Mar 2014 #1

He's on a roll Scootaloo Mar 2014 #2

Hope he didn't spend too much time putting this one together 1000words Mar 2014 #3

Wait... Dr Hobbitstein Mar 2014 #48

This is quite literally the argument used to defend Putin here. joshcryer Mar 2014 #10

I thought Napoleon did attack the World Trade Center and the Pentagon Cali_Democrat Mar 2014 #23

Yeah. People believing Putin's Ukraine forays are legitimate. joshcryer Mar 2014 #5

Coined that yourself, did you? 1000words Mar 2014 #7

Does it apply to you? joshcryer Mar 2014 #8

And that was the most sensible part of the post! Warpy Mar 2014 #12

Disease all but wiped out the Tiguex. joshcryer Mar 2014 #16

Anti-war = Pro-Putin Iggo Mar 2014 #15

Seriously now, get a grip. reformist2 Mar 2014 #19

Just translatin', man. Just translatin'. Iggo Mar 2014 #20

Anti-War=Pro-G7. nt MADem Mar 2014 #27

Well, that's nice, because the war mongers and Putin = the New Hitler crowd certainly hasn't been quinnox Mar 2014 #4

New Hitler? joshcryer Mar 2014 #6

Makes about as much sense as what's going on in Ukraine Pretzel_Warrior Mar 2014 #9

Mebbe. mebbe not Warpy Mar 2014 #14

It's easy to ho and hum about it... Lost_Count Mar 2014 #49

They just had a revolution Warpy Mar 2014 #51

Oy, nadinbrzezinski Mar 2014 #11

Sad. Grim. Pathetic. reformist2 Mar 2014 #13

"I actually think the Crimea belongs to Russia." joshcryer Mar 2014 #17

However legit a claim it might have, it's a safe bet Mexico isn't going to LisaL Mar 2014 #18

Yes, I am sure Mexico will respect its territorial agreements. joshcryer Mar 2014 #21

I agree with your assessment.I wouldn't worry too much about the Putinistas, my personal theory is okaawhatever Mar 2014 #22

Yup, it's probably a "hey, look at me flex my pecs !" opportunity for Putin. n/t King_Klonopin Mar 2014 #30

He'll ride into Crimea on a motorcycle, bare-chested and wearing sunglasses. NT Adrahil Mar 2014 #50

Some people know shit, those who don't must throw it. Democracyinkind Mar 2014 #24

If a vote on reunification with Mexico were held in Sante Fe, New Mexico Douglas Carpenter Mar 2014 #25

Title III of the Constitution of Ukraine. joshcryer Mar 2014 #26

it is fair to say Mexico is not going to invade Sante Fe, New Mexico and if they did, it is fair to Douglas Carpenter Mar 2014 #29

No doubt they would vote yes, by majority. joshcryer Mar 2014 #33

I agree with you that self-determination for the Crimean people is a not a good idea. Obviously Douglas Carpenter Mar 2014 #38

Also absolutely correct! King_Klonopin Mar 2014 #40

As one who was a resident of Santa Fe, I would advise Mexico to waive any and all rights to it King_Klonopin Mar 2014 #28

Best sky nights in the states are on I-25 heading north from Albuquerque. joshcryer Mar 2014 #31

OH MAN, YOU SAID IT King_Klonopin Mar 2014 #37

And Dubya didn't even have *that* fig leaf for invading Iraq Fumesucker Mar 2014 #32

I can see that thought process. USA = Christian state joshcryer Mar 2014 #34

I thought the Garden of Eden was in Missouri? Fumesucker Mar 2014 #43

Well, you made a pretty good case that we're getting away with robbery over here. AtheistCrusader Mar 2014 #35

And so the beat goes on. joshcryer Mar 2014 #36

I think the UN has a case to make some noise about what is happening right now. AtheistCrusader Mar 2014 #39

I don't think it's as bad as other ventures. joshcryer Mar 2014 #41

Here's why I don't trust our judgment here. AtheistCrusader Mar 2014 #42

Poland has a linguistic affiliation to the Ukraine DFW Mar 2014 #45

The first time, I thought it was a typo. They are TATARS. Tartar is a fatty sauce or raw meat DFW Mar 2014 #44

Ugh, thanks, I think I've been spelling it wrong for awhile now. joshcryer Mar 2014 #46

Dangerous when the one is a common word in your own language, I know DFW Mar 2014 #47