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AtheistCrusader

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Mon Mar 3, 2014, 11:57 AM

Mar 2014

Well, I will retract that usage of 'enormous' but I meant it in that this is kind of a big deal. I mean, we are talking about having a machine, in your house, that can put holes in humans.

For all the scope and power of the right-wing gun owners, the number of left wing gun owners is very close indeed.

Enormous was probably not the right word, and probably led to our disagreement. I'm sorry. I'm not sure exactly what adjective I'd substitute. Gun owners are a minority no matter how you slice the data, yet they are VERY impactful in politics, and even people who don't own a gun tend to 'swing their way' in other polls, regardless of the fact that they don't even have a dog in that fight, so to say.

For instance, the number of people who wanted to control gun ownership declined 9pts in 1 year in this one, and the desire to protect gun rights (what the fuck does that mean, guns are objects they don't have rights, dammnit PEW) rose 8pts. And the totals are far larger than the gun-owning population of the nation.

http://www.people-press.org/2009/04/30/public-takes-conservative-turn-on-gun-control-abortion/

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Fuck your "pro-life" anti-abortion, pro-gun, anti-white privilege arguments. [View all] TeamPooka Feb 2014 OP

rant on, i am part of your choir dembotoz Feb 2014 #1

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FUCK them too! TeamPooka Feb 2014 #10

You tell 'em, TeamPooka brush Mar 2014 #164

Knee-jerk anti-union sentiment is what has really destroyed this country, economically. nomorenomore08 Feb 2014 #33

Agreed Leith Feb 2014 #36

It should not be and it IS against term of service at DU since it is definitely anti-dem platform Drahthaardogs Feb 2014 #104

Agree! n/t RKP5637 Feb 2014 #3

+2 Euphoria Feb 2014 #4

+1. eom 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2014 #5

ROFL @ the self-delete below this. Finally read the entire OP, did you? It was the gun thing, right? Electric Monk Mar 2014 #128

This message was self-deleted by its author Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2014 #6

+1 In_The_Wind Feb 2014 #7

yes. MerryBlooms Feb 2014 #8

Where in the Bible does it say a fetus is human or abortion is wrong? ErikJ Feb 2014 #9

They interpret the bible to justify their ignorant and often persecutory beliefs to support RKP5637 Feb 2014 #13

The RW powers that be are quite adept at dividing and manipulating the 99% using religion. ErikJ Feb 2014 #46

The Bible says azureblue Feb 2014 #96

"Spirit" is literally Latin for breath. pink-o Mar 2014 #154

You forgot "breast feeding" and "Olive Garden-eating". lumberjack_jeff Feb 2014 #11

Because that's really funny in ScreamingMeemie Feb 2014 #17

The basic concept is that some values should be non-negotiable. Now, we may disagree slightly nomorenomore08 Feb 2014 #34

Thank you! nt Sarah Ibarruri Feb 2014 #12

K&R! billh58 Feb 2014 #14

I really don't like "fuck you" threads. el_bryanto Feb 2014 #15

not violating TOS but I don't considering them Liberal either PatrynXX Feb 2014 #27

OK - I'm not sure if this is addressed to the few DUers who are Anti Abortion (and open about it) el_bryanto Feb 2014 #29

Then you're on our side. I have no beef with you at all, if that's worth anything. nomorenomore08 Feb 2014 #37

yep--radical feminist here who's strong believer in abortion reduction, zazen Feb 2014 #78

And of course, as we all know, generally the best way to reduce abortion is to nomorenomore08 Feb 2014 #107

Even if I agree with them generally... ElboRuum Mar 2014 #157

Okay, I'm reading the Democratic Party Platform LittleBlue Feb 2014 #16

Problem is, I'm not sure certain posters really do believe in any of that. nomorenomore08 Feb 2014 #38

Anyone can join DU, so I always wonder about some of the posts too. Some seem RKP5637 Feb 2014 #98

There are the blatantly obvious trolls, who usually get banned pretty fast. nomorenomore08 Feb 2014 #108

I suppose in a strange way it keeps us on our toes! n/t RKP5637 Feb 2014 #109

Vigorous debate... I'm all for it. boston bean Feb 2014 #18

Some people essentially can't be reasoned with. That's the point. n/t nomorenomore08 Feb 2014 #40

If I want to talk to them I'll go to a family reunion, but not here. nt TeamPooka Feb 2014 #59

I hear ya! Blue_Roses Mar 2014 #187

Fuck all of your base Capt. Obvious Feb 2014 #19

What you say? Nt bravenak Feb 2014 #31

google. "all your base are belong to us " leftyohiolib Feb 2014 #65

What u say is a part of it. bravenak Feb 2014 #66

Somebody set up us the fuck bomb. Dr. Strange Feb 2014 #57

We are all PRO LIFE in the big D tent. Sunlei Feb 2014 #20

I agree completely! n/t Diamonique Feb 2014 #21

Fuck anyone & everyone that disagrees with me. -nt Bonx Feb 2014 #22

Start your own discussion board where everyone agrees with you 100% on everything. Throd Feb 2014 #23

DONT RANT rtracey Feb 2014 #24

Rant and GOTV. Empower our agenda! n/t freshwest Feb 2014 #110

I have this thing about "core principles" hfojvt Feb 2014 #25

hear, hear.... rustbeltvoice Feb 2014 #26

"often our message is only of hate and intolerance for those who disagree" - unfortunately true geckosfeet Feb 2014 #35

I don't accept that Congress is gone forever hfojvt Feb 2014 #45

No no. Not forever. But we need a lot of seats. Getting some southern, western and s western geckosfeet Feb 2014 #102

But some things, like reproductive choice, are non-negotiable. nomorenomore08 Feb 2014 #41

Agreed. ElboRuum Mar 2014 #158

You're more or less correct. But I think both approaches have their place. nomorenomore08 Mar 2014 #182

I'd agree... ElboRuum Mar 2014 #194

DU seems to be more about DU now The Straight Story Feb 2014 #43

Given enough time... ElboRuum Mar 2014 #159

This OP and others like it are about keeping the shit going. zeemike Feb 2014 #61

So everyone should just...what? Shut up and post about kittens? ScreamingMeemie Feb 2014 #67

Not at all...this is a discussion board. zeemike Feb 2014 #71

I beg to differ. Inkfreak Feb 2014 #82

. justabob Mar 2014 #191

hear, hear....again delete_bush Feb 2014 #126

So a woman should just be able to kill the baby a week before due date?? 7962 Feb 2014 #28

FYI about 90% of abortions are performed in the first trimester. And the majority of others nomorenomore08 Feb 2014 #42

Fertilized eggs are BABIES HockeyMom Feb 2014 #49

Exactly. If God is against abortion, then why does He cause so damn many of them? nomorenomore08 Feb 2014 #53

god doesnt cause abortions leftyohiolib Feb 2014 #63

Something (besides abortion) causes an awful lot of pregnancies not to reach full term FiveGoodMen Feb 2014 #75

yea that's why i kind of laugh when people say were made in HIS image becuse there are so leftyohiolib Feb 2014 #76

+1, n/t RKP5637 Feb 2014 #99

Breastfeeding can also HockeyMom Feb 2014 #89

it's not a strawman it's what she said . abortion anytime leftyohiolib Feb 2014 #52

If the alternative is to deny abortions to some women who truly need them - and who may resort nomorenomore08 Feb 2014 #55

whatever, i just said it wasnt a strawman but rage on leftyohiolib Feb 2014 #64

Jog my memory, if you please - are you one of the posters who's basically said that they're opposed nomorenomore08 Feb 2014 #68

you can curse at me, it doesnt bother me theyre just words. i dont care what women do to themselves leftyohiolib Feb 2014 #70

Fair enough. But you have to realize that what you want is ultimately secondary to the wishes nomorenomore08 Feb 2014 #72

no im not secondary it's my baby also and i would expect to be part of any decisn on abortion leftyohiolib Feb 2014 #73

Ideally you should be part of the decision, but since it's not your body, she has final veto power. nomorenomore08 Feb 2014 #74

yes, you are secondary noiretextatique Mar 2014 #156

no im not is that difficult to understand and i dont give a fuck what you think about it leftyohiolib Mar 2014 #168

Thanks for knowing what i "really mean"; when I stated it perfectly clear. OP said ANYTIME. 7962 Feb 2014 #114

And why do you immediately zero in on the most objectionable cases, which no reputable doctor nomorenomore08 Feb 2014 #118

The OP shouldnt have made such a stupid statement, thats why I pointed it out. Very simple. 7962 Feb 2014 #120

newsflash: women are people noiretextatique Mar 2014 #163

So mark you down as in favor of any abortion, anytime, like the OP. Check. Most Democrats do not. 7962 Mar 2014 #171

Women and doctors can be trusted to make safe and moral decisions. Period. Full stop. PeaceNikki Mar 2014 #181

well, perhaps we're smart enough to TRUST WOMEN Scout Feb 2014 #54

Right, and the OP argued to REMOVE THOSE LIMITS tkmorris Feb 2014 #62

Thank you! "Anytime". Pretty clear. 7962 Feb 2014 #117

Sad but damn true. nt AverageJoe90 Mar 2014 #175

Yes. Remove ALL restrictions. Like Canada. PeaceNikki Mar 2014 #180

I had no idea Canada did that. Lunacee_2013 Mar 2014 #188

Post #180, this^^^^^^^^^^^^^ n/t Scout Mar 2014 #210

"that's because it doesn't happen, and only fools bring up this talking point" Scout Mar 2014 #209

My comment was directed at the OP, who clearly stated he supported it ANYTIME; 7962 Mar 2014 #216

Amen PeaceNikki Mar 2014 #179

It's not a "baby" until it's born. It's a fetus. Laffy Kat Mar 2014 #131

So you contradict yourself. The OP is who made this absurd, not me. Anytime means anytime. 7962 Mar 2014 #145

So you think it's better to strip a woman of her autonomy Politicub Mar 2014 #155

The decision to abort Feral Child Mar 2014 #184

Your scenario is mostly hypothetical, save for a few anecdotal cases... Hippo_Tron Mar 2014 #200

Fffffffffff your anti gun sentiment geckosfeet Feb 2014 #30

If "pro-gun" means opposing any gun-control measures whatsoever, then no, it's not reasonable. nomorenomore08 Feb 2014 #44

Because...OMG that would lead to Nazi Germany! jmowreader Feb 2014 #56

Not sure I follow the meaning of your post derby378 Feb 2014 #95

You could get a government job too jmowreader Mar 2014 #127

BG checks are workable with massive infrastructure build out. geckosfeet Feb 2014 #101

I'm not particularly anti-gun in general, but I admit to having become somewhat swept up in the nomorenomore08 Feb 2014 #111

Each of these tragic incidents has its own unique cause. Sandy Hook - geckosfeet Feb 2014 #112

I agree with basically all of your points there. I know that with roughly 1 gun for every person nomorenomore08 Feb 2014 #115

Stand your ground is not legitimate self defense imo. geckosfeet Feb 2014 #119

Glad we're in agreement. Because honestly, that shit scares even lily-white me! nomorenomore08 Feb 2014 #121

I always thought Arkansas had pretty good, reasonable self-defense laws. moriah Mar 2014 #162

Seems reasonable. Moreso than Fl. geckosfeet Mar 2014 #176

I have not seen a single poster on DU that is against ALL gun control... beevul Feb 2014 #116

Then we need to apply checks to person-to-person sales as well. And heavily penalize - at least nomorenomore08 Feb 2014 #124

Its a constitutional issue, on several levels. beevul Mar 2014 #143

And thats my point about the abortion comment made by the OP 7962 Mar 2014 #146

I would have recced this but there's a bit of a problem, unfortunately. AverageJoe90 Feb 2014 #32

"Even the majority of DUers don't buy [white privilege]." A-Schwarzenegger Feb 2014 #79

It's got a lot to do with people "swarming" a topic..... AverageJoe90 Feb 2014 #80

Yeah, uh-huh, where is that damn poll anyway? A-Schwarzenegger Feb 2014 #81

FOUND IT! A-Schwarzenegger Feb 2014 #103

"It's getting closer" Yeah, 152-11! Number23 Feb 2014 #122

Tightening up, 181-17. A-Schwarzenegger Mar 2014 #173

DU had a poll on gun-ownership here: 50+% Eleanors38 Mar 2014 #147

Nothing is keeping the other side from swarming either LostOne4Ever Mar 2014 #139

The concept of Privilege is a sociological term LostOne4Ever Mar 2014 #138

"The concept of Privilege is a sociological term" Yes, I know that's what it was originally. AverageJoe90 Mar 2014 #174

Yes you can be a liberal overall and not believe in it LostOne4Ever Mar 2014 #183

How is disagreeing with "white privilege" *theory* conservative? AverageJoe90 Mar 2014 #185

I, for one, didn't vote in that poll and I agree with AverageJoe90. Waiting For Everyman Mar 2014 #193

AverageJoe90, do you any factual support behind your pronouncements on white privilege? kwassa Mar 2014 #165

Damn skippy! nt MrScorpio Feb 2014 #39

Pooka, I don't think it has to do with their "religion" WhiteTara Feb 2014 #47

Possibly but either way the result is the same. nt TeamPooka Feb 2014 #69

Given that an enormous percentage of democrats own guns, how do you define 'gun nuts'? AtheistCrusader Feb 2014 #48

Please define enormous percentage and provide documentation (P.S. you can't) HERVEPA Mar 2014 #201

The hell I can't. AtheistCrusader Mar 2014 #202

I think you need a dictionary. According to the source you cite, 22% of Democrats own guns. HERVEPA Mar 2014 #203

Right, but not every houshold has two democrats. AtheistCrusader Mar 2014 #204

Another way you can surmise the number of housholds I suggested is accurate is AtheistCrusader Mar 2014 #205

I see no enormous percentages. Enormous percentage (as perhaps opposed to enormous number?)... HERVEPA Mar 2014 #206

I see. AtheistCrusader Mar 2014 #207

Thanks. HERVEPA Mar 2014 #208

If that's what is necesssary, I can live with it. AtheistCrusader Mar 2014 #212

OK HERVEPA Mar 2014 #213

I'm with you 100%. Aristus Feb 2014 #50

oooowwww! heaven05 Feb 2014 #51

Hear! Hear! nt tea and oranges Feb 2014 #58

Geez MO_Moderate Feb 2014 #60

anyone else notice that posts like this get a hundred responses while the posts that affect your leftyohiolib Feb 2014 #77

As a woman in Texas, anti-choice arguments affect my life. ScreamingMeemie Feb 2014 #84

oh! im sorry if i offended you this was not a comment on this post and certainly am not trying leftyohiolib Feb 2014 #85

Comments are not messages from the offended... ScreamingMeemie Feb 2014 #86

you always seem like a fight looking for a place to happen. thanks for the advice leftyohiolib Feb 2014 #87

Accusing me of being "offended" is not generally considered to be holding out an olive ScreamingMeemie Feb 2014 #88

i didnt realize that for that i apologize, leftyohiolib Feb 2014 #91

Don't forget to buckle your seabelt... ScreamingMeemie Feb 2014 #93

thanks leftyohiolib Feb 2014 #94

Yep MO_Moderate Mar 2014 #199

so its all or nothing? Niceguy1 Feb 2014 #83

Yeah, I'm a little surprised by some of those posts, too. Lunacee_2013 Feb 2014 #90

the problem is shaayecanaan Mar 2014 #133

I haven't heard anyone say that. Lunacee_2013 Mar 2014 #134

I just said it shaayecanaan Mar 2014 #135

Did you mean me when you said "I"? Lunacee_2013 Mar 2014 #177

The Problem is that People who use "Privilege" are not talking about themselves Rilgin Mar 2014 #136

I agree with part of your post, but Lunacee_2013 Mar 2014 #178

Good to have some agreement. Rilgin Mar 2014 #192

Glad to have some agreement, too. Lunacee_2013 Mar 2014 #196

minor further thoughts Rilgin Mar 2014 #197

That school experience was back in the late 90's. Lunacee_2013 Mar 2014 #198

This message was self-deleted by its author Th1onein Feb 2014 #92

Then for Pete's sake, DON'T HAVE ONE! PassingFair Mar 2014 #160

This message was self-deleted by its author Th1onein Mar 2014 #189

Are those countries or prisoners inside people's bodies? PassingFair Mar 2014 #190

This message was self-deleted by its author Th1onein Mar 2014 #195

Results of your Jury Service joeglow3 Mar 2014 #211

We are responsible for ourselves. Our bodies are our own. PassingFair Mar 2014 #214

This message was self-deleted by its author Th1onein Mar 2014 #215

I agree with the above poster joeglow3 Mar 2014 #217

Yes, the big tent includes people who disagree with you and may not be ideologically perfect. aikoaiko Feb 2014 #97

+1 TxDemChem Feb 2014 #100

I know this sounds corny, uncool, unhip, old fashioned and REALLY square - but sometimes if we just Douglas Carpenter Feb 2014 #105

I've been listening. I've been tolerant of the intolerance for politics sake and I'm done. TeamPooka Mar 2014 #130

if one is interested in building a progressive majority it is going to include many people who may Douglas Carpenter Mar 2014 #142

To translate your post, 'money and business matter, not people and silly rights they want'. Bluenorthwest Mar 2014 #166

that is not what I am saying at all. Douglas Carpenter Mar 2014 #170

"I owe it to myself." Is it all about you? Eleanors38 Mar 2014 #149

We are all on a journey. I am sharing my map. You may have a different course to plot. TeamPooka Mar 2014 #161

I think abortion should be safe, legal, accessible to all, and rare. Nye Bevan Feb 2014 #106

Sure - you can stand next to all us gun owning Dems. nt hack89 Mar 2014 #153

Hear, Here! Teampooka, I'm with you.. 2banon Feb 2014 #113

Censoring or suppressing sulphurdunn Feb 2014 #123

and don't forget to tune into tomorrow's episode of Knock Down the Strawman... dionysus Feb 2014 #125

Thank you! stopwastingmymoney Mar 2014 #129

Kick! Cha Mar 2014 #132

+1,000 n/t malaise Mar 2014 #137

So,what you are saying,is that if someone holds a different opinion Oldenuff Mar 2014 #140

Typical Hollywood "progressive" TomClash Mar 2014 #141

That's some funny right wing stuff you got there. 'Hollywood' is a heavily Unionized industry Bluenorthwest Mar 2014 #167

That's some pretty rich bullshit TomClash Mar 2014 #172

Totally agree Pooka. DU should not accept right-wing memes and policy just because ... Scuba Mar 2014 #144

Exactly! nt laundry_queen Mar 2014 #186

"Fuck your...anti-white privilege arguments?" Eleanors38 Mar 2014 #148

This is pretty much like people yelling USA, USA, USA! Captain Stern Mar 2014 #150

My piranha pool is being cleaned Token Republican Mar 2014 #151

The snaggle-toothed gun nuts are in full crazy mode on this thread Politicub Mar 2014 #152

Rec times 1000 - way the fuck rec!!! n/t SpankMe Mar 2014 #169