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In reply to the discussion: On the excuse that Kerry really hated the Iraq invasion because he wanted diplomacy [View all]ProSense
(116,464 posts)19. Then as now
" And that wasn't even the worst blunder Kerry made either the one that basically sunk him is when he said I voted for it before I voted against it. There aren't enough face palms in the world to cover that one."
...the problem was people jumping on the RW bandwagon, namely Roves.
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Actually, it was Bush who threatened to veto a bill Kerry co-sponsored to provide $87B to the troops by rolling back Bush's tax cuts on the wealthy elite. Effectively, Bush put his "have mores" ahead of our troops.
Kerry was telling the truth -- although he put it rather badly -- when he claimed that he "voted to provide the money before he voted against it". That's because there were two bills (hence, two options) for providing the funds. The first was S.1634, which Kerry co-sponsored but died in committee because of the Bush veto threat.
The bill that passed, S. 1689, had no provision for paying for the funding; thus, it provided $87 billion by running up the deficit further. An amendment offered by Biden (discussed below) which would have paid for the bill by rolling back tax cuts on the wealthy was defeated (tabled) by the majority Republicans.
The bottom line is this: Kerry proposed a bill to fund the troops. He proposed to pay for the funding, too, without running up the deficit. Bush threatened to veto a bill for funding the troops if it didn't run up the deficit. The GOP agreed, and their version passed.
http://dkosopedia.com/wiki/87_billion_dollar
Actually, it was Bush who threatened to veto a bill Kerry co-sponsored to provide $87B to the troops by rolling back Bush's tax cuts on the wealthy elite. Effectively, Bush put his "have mores" ahead of our troops.
Kerry was telling the truth -- although he put it rather badly -- when he claimed that he "voted to provide the money before he voted against it". That's because there were two bills (hence, two options) for providing the funds. The first was S.1634, which Kerry co-sponsored but died in committee because of the Bush veto threat.
The bill that passed, S. 1689, had no provision for paying for the funding; thus, it provided $87 billion by running up the deficit further. An amendment offered by Biden (discussed below) which would have paid for the bill by rolling back tax cuts on the wealthy was defeated (tabled) by the majority Republicans.
The bottom line is this: Kerry proposed a bill to fund the troops. He proposed to pay for the funding, too, without running up the deficit. Bush threatened to veto a bill for funding the troops if it didn't run up the deficit. The GOP agreed, and their version passed.
http://dkosopedia.com/wiki/87_billion_dollar
KERRY CALLS FOR SHARED SACRIFICE BY WEALTHIEST 1% OF AMERICANS TO PAY FOR $87 BILLION IRAQ SUPPLEMENTAL
I am confident that these patriotic Americans are prepared to sacrifice, says Kerry
Thursday, October 2, 2003
WASHINGTON, DC Senator John Kerry (D-Mass.) today joined Senator Joseph Biden (D-Del.) in calling for shared sacrifice by the wealthiest one percent of Americans to help pay the cost of $87 billion supplemental spending request for the war in Iraq.
Senator Biden and I are making a common-sense proposal. Rather than borrowing an additional $87 billion, we want to scale back some of the new tax cuts for Americans making over $300,000 a year, said Kerry in a speech delivered from the floor of the Senate.
To put this in perspective with the men and women who are making the sacrifice in uniform who are putting it all on the line for the country the average enlisted man or woman makes $30,000 per year and the average officer makes $67,000.
We all know whats happening. The troops didnt make millions in the 1980s and 1990s; theyre hardworking men and women, mostly from the middle class, who are fighting Americas war. Its not unfair to ask those that earn the very most those many fortunate, talented and hardworking Americans earning more than $300,000 to sacrifice some of their tax cuts in order to promote a free Iraq; to reduce some of the burden being placed on future generations; and help sustain education, health care, and homeland security.
The Biden-Kerry amendment to the supplemental spending request reduces the size of the Bush tax cut for the wealthiest one percent of Americans to help pay for the war in Iraq. The rate adjustment would occur during the final six years of the Presidents 10-year tax cut plan.
With 130,000 troops sacrificing every day in Iraq, terribly unfunded domestic programs, and historic debt growing in Washington, it is an equitable and responsible proposal. And I am confident that these patriotic Americans are prepared to sacrifice as well, Kerry concluded.
I am confident that these patriotic Americans are prepared to sacrifice, says Kerry
Thursday, October 2, 2003
WASHINGTON, DC Senator John Kerry (D-Mass.) today joined Senator Joseph Biden (D-Del.) in calling for shared sacrifice by the wealthiest one percent of Americans to help pay the cost of $87 billion supplemental spending request for the war in Iraq.
Senator Biden and I are making a common-sense proposal. Rather than borrowing an additional $87 billion, we want to scale back some of the new tax cuts for Americans making over $300,000 a year, said Kerry in a speech delivered from the floor of the Senate.
To put this in perspective with the men and women who are making the sacrifice in uniform who are putting it all on the line for the country the average enlisted man or woman makes $30,000 per year and the average officer makes $67,000.
We all know whats happening. The troops didnt make millions in the 1980s and 1990s; theyre hardworking men and women, mostly from the middle class, who are fighting Americas war. Its not unfair to ask those that earn the very most those many fortunate, talented and hardworking Americans earning more than $300,000 to sacrifice some of their tax cuts in order to promote a free Iraq; to reduce some of the burden being placed on future generations; and help sustain education, health care, and homeland security.
The Biden-Kerry amendment to the supplemental spending request reduces the size of the Bush tax cut for the wealthiest one percent of Americans to help pay for the war in Iraq. The rate adjustment would occur during the final six years of the Presidents 10-year tax cut plan.
With 130,000 troops sacrificing every day in Iraq, terribly unfunded domestic programs, and historic debt growing in Washington, it is an equitable and responsible proposal. And I am confident that these patriotic Americans are prepared to sacrifice as well, Kerry concluded.
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On the excuse that Kerry really hated the Iraq invasion because he wanted diplomacy [View all]
Excelsyor
Mar 2014
OP
And why I worked on Russ Feingold's campaign. He was the ONLY US Senator to vote "no".
Scuba
Mar 2014
#23
The press was notoriously wrong about Kerry's position. He voted for IWR and when weapon inspectors
blm
Mar 2014
#5
"It is no wonder that independent fact-checkers have rejected Kerry's revisionist attempt"
ProSense
Mar 2014
#8
Try believing the truth - not corpmedia revisionists protecting Bush WH in an election year.
blm
Mar 2014
#21
There were some Democrats who voted consistently against invading Iraq, they weren't fooled by Dubya
Fumesucker
Mar 2014
#25
Wasn't a matter of being fooled - it was a matter of Bush not adhering to guidelines.
blm
Mar 2014
#33
By 2003 anyone who didn't know Dubya was going to do what he wanted to do was a fool
Fumesucker
Mar 2014
#51
The vote was Oct2002 - Kerry sided with the inspectors and AGAINST invasion publicly.
blm
Mar 2014
#89
I have plenty of posts on DU critical of Der Chimpenfuhrer, Dim Son, C+ Augustus
Fumesucker
Mar 2014
#70
I immediately discount anything someone with a Guy Fawkes avatar has to say
Pretzel_Warrior
Mar 2014
#20
Yes. It's called, "Discounting opinions of people who identify with terrorists" fallacy.
Pretzel_Warrior
Mar 2014
#31
It's the 'I don't like to hear facts about courageous Democrats who really did vote againt
Bluenorthwest
Mar 2014
#38
Because I'd like the U.S. to lead diplomatic negotiations to get Russian soldiers the fuck out of
Pretzel_Warrior
Mar 2014
#26
Thanks to his history Kerry simply isn't a credible intermediary in this matter
Fumesucker
Mar 2014
#53
well, he is credible and will somehow trudge forward in his role despite your protests
Pretzel_Warrior
Mar 2014
#54
Why, because he has effected this nation's history more positively than you or millions of others,
blm
Mar 2014
#90
but he should get credit for launching an entire political flip flop meme
Pretzel_Warrior
Mar 2014
#15
So you side with RW narrative about that, quinnox? ALL votes are FOR a version of a bill you prefer
blm
Mar 2014
#37
It's about a quarter of the combined chambers, and more than enough to nix claims of
Bluenorthwest
Mar 2014
#52
I never said universally duped. But 70 votes in favor of something is definitely stepping into...
phleshdef
Mar 2014
#73
The only people that were fooled into believing Iraq had WMD, was the RWing spin machine.
Rex
Mar 2014
#60
Horse shit. Something like 72% of the American public was behind it in the beginning.
phleshdef
Mar 2014
#71
Anyone who thought they could trust Bush with that kind of authority was not fit for public office,
sabrina 1
Mar 2014
#69
Is he in NY, did he run for President? Not sure why you think that alters anything I said.
sabrina 1
Mar 2014
#79
"Anyone who thought they could trust Bush with that kind of authority was not fit for public office"
ProSense
Mar 2014
#80
I know what he said, but you seem to want to ignore parts of his statement and
ProSense
Mar 2014
#85