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In reply to the discussion: On the excuse that Kerry really hated the Iraq invasion because he wanted diplomacy [View all]blm
(114,666 posts)21. Try believing the truth - not corpmedia revisionists protecting Bush WH in an election year.
http://www.nbcnews.com/id/6190720/ns/world_news-mideast_n_africa/t/inspector-iraq-had-no-wmd-invasion/#.UxTtDTnnZQs
<<<The Democratic candidate, Sen. John Kerry of Massachusetts, has seized on comments this week by the former U.S. administrator in Iraq, Paul Bremer, that the United States did not have enough troops in Iraq to prevent a breakdown in security after Saddam was toppled.
Report could boost Kerry
The report could boost Kerrys contentions that Bush rushed to war based on faulty intelligence and that sanctions and U.N. weapons inspectors should have been given more time.>>>
http://www.spinsanity.org/columns/20031217.html
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The Congressional resolution authorizing the use of force against Iraq passed in October 2002 with the support of Dean rivals Rep. Dick Gephardt, D-MO, Senator John Kerry, D-MA, Senator Joe Lieberman, D-CT, and Senator John Edwards, D-NC. As CNN reported at the time, it "requires Bush to declare to Congress either before or within 48 hours after beginning military action that diplomatic efforts to enforce the U.N. resolutions have failed. Bush also must certify that action against Iraq would not hinder efforts to pursue the Al Qaeda terrorist network that attacked New York and Washington last year. And it requires the administration to report to Congress on the progress of any war with Iraq every 60 days." (Bush has taken these steps as required.)
Dean did not support this resolution. However, as Kerry and Gephardt have pointed out and as Ron Fournier reported last week in the Associated Press, Dean supported an alternate resolution known as Biden-Lugar:
[T]he former Vermont governor rarely mentions his support of a resolution by Sens. Richard Lugar, R-Ind., and Joe Biden, D-Del., that would have asked Bush to get a new U.N. resolution to enforce weapons inspections in Iraq.
If the United Nations had declined, the president would have had to make a formal determination that the Iraqi threat was so serious that the use of military force would be necessary.
Bush would have been required to send Congress a letter -- not seek a vote of approval -- before waging war, Kerry said. He argued there was no significant difference between the Lugar-Biden resolution and the one passed by Congress.
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Face the Nation:
SCHIEFFER: Well, Governor, what, in your mind, would justify a strike on Iraq?
DEAN: Well, first of all, a strike may be justified. What he's got to say, what the president has got to say is that Saddam has atomic or biological weapons and has the means to deliver them to ourselves and our allies. That case -- he has never said that, to my knowledge, nor have any of his surrogates.
SCHIEFFER: Well, does he have to have the means to deliver them to us? Or what if he had the means to give them to another terrorist group who could bring them into this country in a suitcase?
DEAN: Well, that's correct, that would certainly be grounds for us to intervene, and if we had so unilaterally, we could do that.
But, Bob, my problem is not whether we're going to end up in Iraq or not.
Saddam Hussein appears to be doing everything he can to make sure we do go into Iraq. My problem is, it is important to bring in our allies.
Foreign policy in this country is dependent on us working with other countries. And I think the president got off on the wrong foot when he was simply talking about "Let's go in there, we don't care what anybody else thinks, we're going to do it."
I think things have improved in the last couple of weeks, as he's turned to the United Nations. We should have done that in the first place. And we need to continue, as his father did, to build an international coalition to go after Saddam and make sure he does not have those weapons of mass destruction.
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On the excuse that Kerry really hated the Iraq invasion because he wanted diplomacy [View all]
Excelsyor
Mar 2014
OP
And why I worked on Russ Feingold's campaign. He was the ONLY US Senator to vote "no".
Scuba
Mar 2014
#23
The press was notoriously wrong about Kerry's position. He voted for IWR and when weapon inspectors
blm
Mar 2014
#5
"It is no wonder that independent fact-checkers have rejected Kerry's revisionist attempt"
ProSense
Mar 2014
#8
Try believing the truth - not corpmedia revisionists protecting Bush WH in an election year.
blm
Mar 2014
#21
There were some Democrats who voted consistently against invading Iraq, they weren't fooled by Dubya
Fumesucker
Mar 2014
#25
Wasn't a matter of being fooled - it was a matter of Bush not adhering to guidelines.
blm
Mar 2014
#33
By 2003 anyone who didn't know Dubya was going to do what he wanted to do was a fool
Fumesucker
Mar 2014
#51
The vote was Oct2002 - Kerry sided with the inspectors and AGAINST invasion publicly.
blm
Mar 2014
#89
I have plenty of posts on DU critical of Der Chimpenfuhrer, Dim Son, C+ Augustus
Fumesucker
Mar 2014
#70
I immediately discount anything someone with a Guy Fawkes avatar has to say
Pretzel_Warrior
Mar 2014
#20
Yes. It's called, "Discounting opinions of people who identify with terrorists" fallacy.
Pretzel_Warrior
Mar 2014
#31
It's the 'I don't like to hear facts about courageous Democrats who really did vote againt
Bluenorthwest
Mar 2014
#38
Because I'd like the U.S. to lead diplomatic negotiations to get Russian soldiers the fuck out of
Pretzel_Warrior
Mar 2014
#26
Thanks to his history Kerry simply isn't a credible intermediary in this matter
Fumesucker
Mar 2014
#53
well, he is credible and will somehow trudge forward in his role despite your protests
Pretzel_Warrior
Mar 2014
#54
Why, because he has effected this nation's history more positively than you or millions of others,
blm
Mar 2014
#90
but he should get credit for launching an entire political flip flop meme
Pretzel_Warrior
Mar 2014
#15
So you side with RW narrative about that, quinnox? ALL votes are FOR a version of a bill you prefer
blm
Mar 2014
#37
It's about a quarter of the combined chambers, and more than enough to nix claims of
Bluenorthwest
Mar 2014
#52
I never said universally duped. But 70 votes in favor of something is definitely stepping into...
phleshdef
Mar 2014
#73
The only people that were fooled into believing Iraq had WMD, was the RWing spin machine.
Rex
Mar 2014
#60
Horse shit. Something like 72% of the American public was behind it in the beginning.
phleshdef
Mar 2014
#71
Anyone who thought they could trust Bush with that kind of authority was not fit for public office,
sabrina 1
Mar 2014
#69
Is he in NY, did he run for President? Not sure why you think that alters anything I said.
sabrina 1
Mar 2014
#79
"Anyone who thought they could trust Bush with that kind of authority was not fit for public office"
ProSense
Mar 2014
#80
I know what he said, but you seem to want to ignore parts of his statement and
ProSense
Mar 2014
#85