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Orrex

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48. That's the fallacy of provincial wisdom. It's also argument from aesthetics.
Mon Mar 3, 2014, 05:33 PM
Mar 2014

As stated above, I begrudge no one their right to make decisions for themselves, so whatever path you follow to your own conclusions is fine with me. But when we steer our health policies based on nostalgia or aesthetics, then it's reasonable to raise reasonable objections.

Which would my cells appreciate more? A healthy piece of bread made from old seeds, or a piece of bread with chemical crap flung into it, grown with seeds developed by Monsanto or whoever, blending the DNAs of bacteria with the DNAs of wheat?
Are you asking what your cells would prefer, or what do you think your cells prefer? It's actually quite similar to folk medicine prior to germ theory. Simply put, the inferred preferences of one's cells don't trump the realities of nutrition. A lot of people's cells crave nicotine, alcohol and saturated fats in preference to raw sugar and wheat germ. Does that mean that beer and cigarettes are a prescription for health?

I guess I think that way because my grandparents and greatgrandparents all lived in villages, pulled water out of incredibly deep wells, grew normal, ordinary wheat before Monsanto decided to tamper with its DNA, and washed their plain clothing with bars of soap they made themselves, and my grandma on my dad's side told me her stories.
That's nice, but it's a sort of glossed-over nostalgia. If your grandparents resided in the US, and if you're less than 500 years old, then there's a really good chance that their environment was hardly the pristine Eden that you imagine.

As a microbiologist friend once opined, with only slight hyperbole, "the dirtiest thing we're likely to eat today is cleaner than the cleanest thing most people ate 100 years ago."


In addition, I have seen no evidence that DNA-altered food presents any greater hazard than non-altered food, if such food can even be said to exist 10,000+ years after the agricultural revolution. Every single argument I've seen, including the current OP, is based on fear of technology, aesthetic squeamishness, and guilt-by-association innuendo.

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What does bread and a Yogi Mat have in Common? packman Mar 2014 #1
What do pickles and legos have in common? Scootaloo Mar 2014 #4
Not all chemicals are created equal. But it sure is fun to pretend laundry_queen Mar 2014 #10
Answers... Scootaloo Mar 2014 #11
I knew the answer of that, BTW. laundry_queen Mar 2014 #12
Why ridicule? Scootaloo Mar 2014 #13
Come on marions ghost Mar 2014 #14
I'm telling you to not get into a hyperbolic panic over OMG CHEMICALS!!!!!! Scootaloo Mar 2014 #16
Soy fiber (& soy milk) is one of the most controversial food substances out there... marions ghost Mar 2014 #17
"Not scientific but there ya go" Scootaloo Mar 2014 #18
ha ha marions ghost Mar 2014 #20
Declaring something to be "controversial" is an attempt to invent controversy Scootaloo Mar 2014 #21
And you look like... marions ghost Mar 2014 #22
That's... interesting Scootaloo Mar 2014 #26
OK now I know you're not worth replying to marions ghost Mar 2014 #35
It's a silly argument that you didn't provide any support for Scootaloo Mar 2014 #37
My examples illustrate marions ghost Mar 2014 #43
Of course you'd say that. Orrex Mar 2014 #36
Not just that! Scootaloo Mar 2014 #39
You disgust me. Orrex Mar 2014 #40
Kids are just chemical reactions waiting to happen n/t Scootaloo Mar 2014 #41
Well, you'll get no argument from me on that one. Orrex Mar 2014 #44
Wow. Lots of anger there. nt laundry_queen Mar 2014 #23
I'm not sure that word means what you think it means. Scootaloo Mar 2014 #27
Oh, I'm pretty sure it does. laundry_queen Mar 2014 #29
Anger and amusement are different things Scootaloo Mar 2014 #30
Mocking often comes from a place of anger. laundry_queen Mar 2014 #33
It bothers me in the way they go about it Scootaloo Mar 2014 #34
I can clearly tell that it bothers you. laundry_queen Mar 2014 #46
In other words, around 170 countries haven't banned this substance. Orrex Mar 2014 #7
Oh, ick! Le Taz Hot Mar 2014 #2
Yep MoonRiver Mar 2014 #3
Oh, say it isn't so!!!! pipi_k Mar 2014 #5
Holy shit! There are chemicals in our food?!? Orrex Mar 2014 #6
only a very few KT2000 Mar 2014 #31
But if you buy organic food, you're just throwing money away! hedgehog Mar 2014 #8
Here's another take on it. Incitatus Mar 2014 #9
Contradictory article marions ghost Mar 2014 #15
Umm, yeah. The author took a balanced approach tkmorris Mar 2014 #24
Since when does "balance" marions ghost Mar 2014 #25
Give me a minute to smoke a bowl.... NCTraveler Mar 2014 #19
Maybe that's what the gluten free is all about? The crap that goes into breads is making many of us Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2014 #28
I have wondered about this for awhile. laundry_queen Mar 2014 #32
Very interesting. I would say something is going on with the bread and cereals, no doubt. Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2014 #38
On the question of gluten intolerancd Orrex Mar 2014 #42
I always like to look at things sorta simply, like a village girl... Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2014 #47
That's the fallacy of provincial wisdom. It's also argument from aesthetics. Orrex Mar 2014 #48
The environment of my grandparents was pretty clean. I stayed in the farmhouse my grandpa was born Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2014 #51
Well, I'm glad that your grandparents were so fortunate Orrex Mar 2014 #56
Steal and coal were very dirty industries. My ancestors worked the land, taught, sewed clothing Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2014 #57
Interesting marions ghost Mar 2014 #50
No one, right now. nt Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2014 #52
It's used to "mature" flour & improve dough quality instead of bleaching flour with chlorine dioxide FarCenter Mar 2014 #45
There is no data here on long term health effects marions ghost Mar 2014 #49
I'm glad I bake my own bread. mindem Mar 2014 #53
With ya marions ghost Mar 2014 #54
Head on down to Shlubway for a 6" yoga on wheat Blue Owl Mar 2014 #55
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