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ProSense

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39. Wait
Mon Mar 3, 2014, 05:56 PM
Mar 2014

"There were some Democrats who voted consistently against invading Iraq, they weren't fooled by Dubya"

...which ones?

Here is the Durbin Amendment, which only got 30 votes, including Feingold and Kennedy.

To amend the authorization for the use of the Armed Forces to cover an imminent threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction rather than the continuing threat posed by Iraq.

http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=107&session=2&vote=00236


The Byrd Amendment got 31 votes, Kennedy voted for, Feingold voted against.

To provide a termination date for the authorization of the use of the Armed Forces of the United States, together with procedures for the extension of such date unless Congress disapproves the extension.

http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=107&session=2&vote=00232

Bush only needed a few months to launch the war. Setting a date for the termination of the authorization would still have given Bush enough time to lie and launch a war.

There were NO UN inspectors in Iraq when Congress voted on the IWR, but they returned shortly after.

July 5, 2002

Iraq once again rejects new UN weapons inspection proposals.

<...>

November 13, 2002

Iraq accepts U.N. Security Council Resolution 1441 and informs the UN that it will abide by the resolution.

Weapons inspectors arrive in Baghdad again after a four-year absence.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_disarmament_crisis_timeline_2001-2003


Following the mandate of the United Nations Security Council Resolution 1441, Saddam Hussein allowed UN inspectors to return to Iraq in November 2002. UNMOVIC led inspections of alleged chemical and biological facilities in Iraq until shortly before the U.S. invasion of Iraq in March 2003, but did not find any weapons of mass destruction. Based on its inspections and examinations during this time, UNMOVIC inspectors determined that UNSCOM had successfully dismantled Iraq’s unconventional weapons program during the 1990s.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Monitoring,_Verification_and_Inspection_Commission

Bush removed the inspectors before launching the invasion. He had it all planned. He had a Senate that was in complete agreement that Saddam possesed WMD based on the bogus intelligence fed them. The Senate was voting on several versions of the resolution to authorize force, including the Byrd Amendment with an expiration date one year from passage.

After the IWR vote, Bush lied, first in his state of the union:

"The British Government has learned that Saddam Hussein recently sought significant quantities of uranium from Africa."

Bush's 16 words still hotly debated
http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/07/20/sprj.irq.wmd.investigation/

How Powerful Can 16 Words Be?
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines03/0720-09.htm

...and then in the bullshit letter and report he sent to Congress claiming a link to the 9/11 attacks.

March 18, 2003

Dear Mr. Speaker: (Dear Mr. President: )

Consistent with section 3(b) of the Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Iraq Resolution of 2002 (Public Law 107-243), and based on information available to me, including that in the enclosed document, I determine that:

(1) reliance by the United States on further diplomatic and other peaceful means alone will neither (A) adequately protect the national security of the United States against the continuing threat posed by Iraq nor (B) likely lead to enforcement of all relevant United Nations Security Council resolutions regarding Iraq; and

(2) acting pursuant to the Constitution and Public Law 107-243 is consistent with the United States and other countries continuing to take the necessary actions against international terrorists and terrorist organizations, including those nations, organizations, or persons who planned, authorized, committed, or aided the terrorist attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001.

Sincerely,

GEORGE W. BUSH

http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2003/03/20030319-1.html

Bush's signing statement spelled out his intent to ignore the conditional aspects of the IWR. He acknowledged that while Congress agreed that a threat existed, they didn't give him the full support to launch a war unconditionally.

Statement on Signing the Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Iraq Resolution of 2002
October 16th, 2002

<...>


The debate over this resolution in the Congress was in the finest traditions of American democracy. There is no social or political force greater than a free people united in a common and compelling objective. It is for that reason that I sought an additional resolution of support from the Congress to use force against Iraq, should force become necessary. While I appreciate receiving that support, my request for it did not, and my signing this resolution does not, constitute any change in the long-standing positions of the executive branch on either the President's constitutional authority to use force to deter, prevent, or respond to aggression or other threats to U.S. interests or on the constitutionality of the War Powers Resolution. On the important question of the threat posed by Iraq, however, the views and goals of the Congress, as expressed in H.J. Res. 114 and previous congressional resolutions and enactments, and those of the President are the same.

http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/index.php?pid=64386





And as anyone could see, once the Iraq war was launched, none of these Senators committed to forcing a withdrawal. In 2006, Kerry-Feingold, setting a date for withdrawal, got 13 votes.

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0 members have recommended this reply (displayed in chronological order):

They ALL (virtually) 'supported' the decision, elleng Mar 2014 #1
And why I worked on Russ Feingold's campaign. He was the ONLY US Senator to vote "no". Scuba Mar 2014 #23
No he wasn't dsc Mar 2014 #83
You are correct. It was the Patriot Act that Russ voted no on all by himself. Scuba Mar 2014 #86
no problem that makes sense dsc Mar 2014 #87
I was also a Wes Clark supporter. I was disappointed not only that his tblue37 Mar 2014 #42
Yes, tblue, elleng Mar 2014 #47
Well hello there Excelsyor!!! What's the point of your post? Avalux Mar 2014 #2
probably those independant minded folks at newsmax or something... dionysus Mar 2014 #3
Political expediency? Or, stupidity? Either way, he was wrong. Tierra_y_Libertad Mar 2014 #4
The press was notoriously wrong about Kerry's position. He voted for IWR and when weapon inspectors blm Mar 2014 #5
One post has links while the other does not Fumesucker Mar 2014 #6
"It is no wonder that independent fact-checkers have rejected Kerry's revisionist attempt" ProSense Mar 2014 #8
I quit clicking on your links a long time ago, you wasted my time too often Fumesucker Mar 2014 #12
+1 bahrbearian Mar 2014 #48
Now, you know that's not the case ProSense Mar 2014 #50
Try believing the truth - not corpmedia revisionists protecting Bush WH in an election year. blm Mar 2014 #21
There were some Democrats who voted consistently against invading Iraq, they weren't fooled by Dubya Fumesucker Mar 2014 #25
Wasn't a matter of being fooled - it was a matter of Bush not adhering to guidelines. blm Mar 2014 #33
By 2003 anyone who didn't know Dubya was going to do what he wanted to do was a fool Fumesucker Mar 2014 #51
The vote was Oct2002 - Kerry sided with the inspectors and AGAINST invasion publicly. blm Mar 2014 #89
Wait ProSense Mar 2014 #39
The Iraq war was the greatest foreign policy debacle since Viet Nam Fumesucker Mar 2014 #55
Yes, Bush really fucked up. Continue giving him a pass for lying. n/t ProSense Mar 2014 #56
a massive success. but he could not have done it alone. reddread Mar 2014 #63
I have plenty of posts on DU critical of Der Chimpenfuhrer, Dim Son, C+ Augustus Fumesucker Mar 2014 #70
Thanks for posting what is one of the hardest to find Dean Sunday talk shows karynnj Mar 2014 #28
More truth that will certainly be ignored.... blm Mar 2014 #29
That is the "weasel out" that many Dems tried to use after voting FOR: bvar22 Mar 2014 #11
I immediately discount anything someone with a Guy Fawkes avatar has to say Pretzel_Warrior Mar 2014 #20
And that is your problem. bvar22 Mar 2014 #24
Isn't there a fallacy that describes your logic? Excelsyor Mar 2014 #30
Yes. It's called, "Discounting opinions of people who identify with terrorists" fallacy. Pretzel_Warrior Mar 2014 #31
It's the 'I don't like to hear facts about courageous Democrats who really did vote againt Bluenorthwest Mar 2014 #38
Authorization for Use of Military Force in Afghanistan ProSense Mar 2014 #27
Thank You! Those of us who watched Senators Byrd and Kennedy on the KoKo Mar 2014 #34
Thank you. n/t freshwest Mar 2014 #88
Well, ProSense Mar 2014 #7
so what? Pretzel_Warrior Mar 2014 #9
Dubya is also an outlaw that should be held accountable Fumesucker Mar 2014 #13
again, irrelevant to the current situation. Pretzel_Warrior Mar 2014 #14
Not irrelevant to our outrage though Fumesucker Mar 2014 #17
no. it is relevant to your outrage and that is about it. Pretzel_Warrior Mar 2014 #18
Actually he should shut the fuck up and say nothing Fumesucker Mar 2014 #22
Because I'd like the U.S. to lead diplomatic negotiations to get Russian soldiers the fuck out of Pretzel_Warrior Mar 2014 #26
Thanks to his history Kerry simply isn't a credible intermediary in this matter Fumesucker Mar 2014 #53
well, he is credible and will somehow trudge forward in his role despite your protests Pretzel_Warrior Mar 2014 #54
Why, because he has effected this nation's history more positively than you or millions of others, blm Mar 2014 #90
And that wasn't even the worst blunder Kerry made either quinnox Mar 2014 #10
but he should get credit for launching an entire political flip flop meme Pretzel_Warrior Mar 2014 #15
lol, true! quinnox Mar 2014 #16
Then as now ProSense Mar 2014 #19
So you side with RW narrative about that, quinnox? ALL votes are FOR a version of a bill you prefer blm Mar 2014 #37
well done! cali Mar 2014 #32
Hillary tops Christie by 2% in Virginia (poll) ProSense Mar 2014 #35
I said back then that I would never vote in the primary for any cali Mar 2014 #40
No, the OP is BS, calcal ProSense Mar 2014 #41
no, propro, I don't know why you cited the thread. and come to think of cali Mar 2014 #59
LOL! ProSense Mar 2014 #62
Patrick Leahy also supported disarming Saddam ProSense Mar 2014 #44
You are twistin the facts completely and insinuating something totally false cali Mar 2014 #57
Did Leahy believe Saddam had WMD? ProSense Mar 2014 #64
and? cali Mar 2014 #66
Did he believe Bush's lie? n/t ProSense Mar 2014 #67
The Bush admin had damn near the whole country fooled on Iraq at first. phleshdef Mar 2014 #36
23 Senators and 132 House Members were not fooled and voted agains it. Bluenorthwest Mar 2014 #43
President Obama ProSense Mar 2014 #46
Thats not much of an opposition in the Senate or the House. phleshdef Mar 2014 #49
It's about a quarter of the combined chambers, and more than enough to nix claims of Bluenorthwest Mar 2014 #52
I never said universally duped. But 70 votes in favor of something is definitely stepping into... phleshdef Mar 2014 #73
who's pretending that? I was disgusted then and I'm disgusted now. cali Mar 2014 #45
The only people that were fooled into believing Iraq had WMD, was the RWing spin machine. Rex Mar 2014 #60
No they did not. Rex Mar 2014 #58
Horse shit. Something like 72% of the American public was behind it in the beginning. phleshdef Mar 2014 #71
Authoritarians are foaming at the mouth over this obvious reference. Rex Mar 2014 #61
No, people with good sense aren't buying the RW BS mischaracterization. n/t ProSense Mar 2014 #65
Kerry deluded himself to the meaning of the 2002 Iraq Resolution Bad Thoughts Mar 2014 #68
Not so frazzled Mar 2014 #76
I saw it Bad Thoughts Mar 2014 #77
Anyone who thought they could trust Bush with that kind of authority was not fit for public office, sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #69
It's a good thing ProSense Mar 2014 #72
Leave Harkin ALONE!!! Pretzel_Warrior Mar 2014 #74
Is he in NY, did he run for President? Not sure why you think that alters anything I said. sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #79
"Anyone who thought they could trust Bush with that kind of authority was not fit for public office" ProSense Mar 2014 #80
Yes, Kerry supported the invasion (with another link) frazzled Mar 2014 #75
Oh brother. This ProSense Mar 2014 #78
Yeah, and then it says "That said ..." frazzled Mar 2014 #81
Kerry a few weeks later: ProSense Mar 2014 #82
No, end of discussion: deal with what he said frazzled Mar 2014 #84
I know what he said, but you seem to want to ignore parts of his statement and ProSense Mar 2014 #85
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