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In reply to the discussion: On the excuse that Kerry really hated the Iraq invasion because he wanted diplomacy [View all]ProSense
(116,464 posts)44. Patrick Leahy also supported disarming Saddam
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But the world is increasingly apprehensive as the United States appears to be marching inexorably towards war with Iraq. Today, there are more than 250,000 American men and women in uniform in the Persian Gulf, preparing for the order to enter Iraq, and we hear that a decision to launch an attack must be made within a matter of days because it is too costly to keep so many troops deployed overseas.
In other words, now that we have spent billions of dollars to ship all those soldiers over there, we need to use them "because we cannot back down now," as I have heard some people say. Mr. President, it would be hard to think of a worse reason to rush to war than that.
We should not back down. Saddam Hussein must be disarmed. Doing nothing, and I agree with the President about this, would mean that the United Nations is unwilling to enforce its own resolutions concerning perhaps the most serious threat the world faces today - the proliferation of weapons of mass destruction. That would be unacceptable. The UN Security Council ordered Iraq to fully disclose its weapons of mass destruction, and Iraq has not done so.
And I agree with those who say that the only reason Saddam Hussein is even grudgingly cooperating with the UN inspectors and destroying Iraqi missiles is because of the build up of U.S. troops on Iraq's border. I have commended the President for refocusing the world's attention on Saddam Hussein's failure to disarm. I also recognize that the time may come when the use of force to enforce the UN Security Council resolution is the only option.
But are proposals to give the UN inspectors more time unreasonable, when it could solidify support for the use of force if that becomes the only option?
http://votesmart.org/public-statement/8232/statement-of-senator-patrick-leahy-on-the-senate-floor-concerning-iraq-the-countdown-to-war
But the world is increasingly apprehensive as the United States appears to be marching inexorably towards war with Iraq. Today, there are more than 250,000 American men and women in uniform in the Persian Gulf, preparing for the order to enter Iraq, and we hear that a decision to launch an attack must be made within a matter of days because it is too costly to keep so many troops deployed overseas.
In other words, now that we have spent billions of dollars to ship all those soldiers over there, we need to use them "because we cannot back down now," as I have heard some people say. Mr. President, it would be hard to think of a worse reason to rush to war than that.
We should not back down. Saddam Hussein must be disarmed. Doing nothing, and I agree with the President about this, would mean that the United Nations is unwilling to enforce its own resolutions concerning perhaps the most serious threat the world faces today - the proliferation of weapons of mass destruction. That would be unacceptable. The UN Security Council ordered Iraq to fully disclose its weapons of mass destruction, and Iraq has not done so.
And I agree with those who say that the only reason Saddam Hussein is even grudgingly cooperating with the UN inspectors and destroying Iraqi missiles is because of the build up of U.S. troops on Iraq's border. I have commended the President for refocusing the world's attention on Saddam Hussein's failure to disarm. I also recognize that the time may come when the use of force to enforce the UN Security Council resolution is the only option.
But are proposals to give the UN inspectors more time unreasonable, when it could solidify support for the use of force if that becomes the only option?
http://votesmart.org/public-statement/8232/statement-of-senator-patrick-leahy-on-the-senate-floor-concerning-iraq-the-countdown-to-war
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On the excuse that Kerry really hated the Iraq invasion because he wanted diplomacy [View all]
Excelsyor
Mar 2014
OP
And why I worked on Russ Feingold's campaign. He was the ONLY US Senator to vote "no".
Scuba
Mar 2014
#23
The press was notoriously wrong about Kerry's position. He voted for IWR and when weapon inspectors
blm
Mar 2014
#5
"It is no wonder that independent fact-checkers have rejected Kerry's revisionist attempt"
ProSense
Mar 2014
#8
Try believing the truth - not corpmedia revisionists protecting Bush WH in an election year.
blm
Mar 2014
#21
There were some Democrats who voted consistently against invading Iraq, they weren't fooled by Dubya
Fumesucker
Mar 2014
#25
Wasn't a matter of being fooled - it was a matter of Bush not adhering to guidelines.
blm
Mar 2014
#33
By 2003 anyone who didn't know Dubya was going to do what he wanted to do was a fool
Fumesucker
Mar 2014
#51
The vote was Oct2002 - Kerry sided with the inspectors and AGAINST invasion publicly.
blm
Mar 2014
#89
I have plenty of posts on DU critical of Der Chimpenfuhrer, Dim Son, C+ Augustus
Fumesucker
Mar 2014
#70
I immediately discount anything someone with a Guy Fawkes avatar has to say
Pretzel_Warrior
Mar 2014
#20
Yes. It's called, "Discounting opinions of people who identify with terrorists" fallacy.
Pretzel_Warrior
Mar 2014
#31
It's the 'I don't like to hear facts about courageous Democrats who really did vote againt
Bluenorthwest
Mar 2014
#38
Because I'd like the U.S. to lead diplomatic negotiations to get Russian soldiers the fuck out of
Pretzel_Warrior
Mar 2014
#26
Thanks to his history Kerry simply isn't a credible intermediary in this matter
Fumesucker
Mar 2014
#53
well, he is credible and will somehow trudge forward in his role despite your protests
Pretzel_Warrior
Mar 2014
#54
Why, because he has effected this nation's history more positively than you or millions of others,
blm
Mar 2014
#90
but he should get credit for launching an entire political flip flop meme
Pretzel_Warrior
Mar 2014
#15
So you side with RW narrative about that, quinnox? ALL votes are FOR a version of a bill you prefer
blm
Mar 2014
#37
It's about a quarter of the combined chambers, and more than enough to nix claims of
Bluenorthwest
Mar 2014
#52
I never said universally duped. But 70 votes in favor of something is definitely stepping into...
phleshdef
Mar 2014
#73
The only people that were fooled into believing Iraq had WMD, was the RWing spin machine.
Rex
Mar 2014
#60
Horse shit. Something like 72% of the American public was behind it in the beginning.
phleshdef
Mar 2014
#71
Anyone who thought they could trust Bush with that kind of authority was not fit for public office,
sabrina 1
Mar 2014
#69
Is he in NY, did he run for President? Not sure why you think that alters anything I said.
sabrina 1
Mar 2014
#79
"Anyone who thought they could trust Bush with that kind of authority was not fit for public office"
ProSense
Mar 2014
#80
I know what he said, but you seem to want to ignore parts of his statement and
ProSense
Mar 2014
#85