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Pretzel_Warrior

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54. well, he is credible and will somehow trudge forward in his role despite your protests

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Mon Mar 3, 2014, 06:26 PM

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On the excuse that Kerry really hated the Iraq invasion because he wanted diplomacy [View all] Excelsyor Mar 2014 OP

They ALL (virtually) 'supported' the decision, elleng Mar 2014 #1

And why I worked on Russ Feingold's campaign. He was the ONLY US Senator to vote "no". Scuba Mar 2014 #23

No he wasn't dsc Mar 2014 #83

You are correct. It was the Patriot Act that Russ voted no on all by himself. Scuba Mar 2014 #86

no problem that makes sense dsc Mar 2014 #87

I was also a Wes Clark supporter. I was disappointed not only that his tblue37 Mar 2014 #42

Yes, tblue, elleng Mar 2014 #47

Well hello there Excelsyor!!! What's the point of your post? Avalux Mar 2014 #2

probably those independant minded folks at newsmax or something... dionysus Mar 2014 #3

Political expediency? Or, stupidity? Either way, he was wrong. Tierra_y_Libertad Mar 2014 #4

The press was notoriously wrong about Kerry's position. He voted for IWR and when weapon inspectors blm Mar 2014 #5

One post has links while the other does not Fumesucker Mar 2014 #6

"It is no wonder that independent fact-checkers have rejected Kerry's revisionist attempt" ProSense Mar 2014 #8

I quit clicking on your links a long time ago, you wasted my time too often Fumesucker Mar 2014 #12

+1 bahrbearian Mar 2014 #48

Now, you know that's not the case ProSense Mar 2014 #50

Try believing the truth - not corpmedia revisionists protecting Bush WH in an election year. blm Mar 2014 #21

There were some Democrats who voted consistently against invading Iraq, they weren't fooled by Dubya Fumesucker Mar 2014 #25

Wasn't a matter of being fooled - it was a matter of Bush not adhering to guidelines. blm Mar 2014 #33

By 2003 anyone who didn't know Dubya was going to do what he wanted to do was a fool Fumesucker Mar 2014 #51

The vote was Oct2002 - Kerry sided with the inspectors and AGAINST invasion publicly. blm Mar 2014 #89

Wait ProSense Mar 2014 #39

The Iraq war was the greatest foreign policy debacle since Viet Nam Fumesucker Mar 2014 #55

Yes, Bush really fucked up. Continue giving him a pass for lying. n/t ProSense Mar 2014 #56

a massive success. but he could not have done it alone. reddread Mar 2014 #63

I have plenty of posts on DU critical of Der Chimpenfuhrer, Dim Son, C+ Augustus Fumesucker Mar 2014 #70

Thanks for posting what is one of the hardest to find Dean Sunday talk shows karynnj Mar 2014 #28

More truth that will certainly be ignored.... blm Mar 2014 #29

That is the "weasel out" that many Dems tried to use after voting FOR: bvar22 Mar 2014 #11

I immediately discount anything someone with a Guy Fawkes avatar has to say Pretzel_Warrior Mar 2014 #20

And that is your problem. bvar22 Mar 2014 #24

Isn't there a fallacy that describes your logic? Excelsyor Mar 2014 #30

Yes. It's called, "Discounting opinions of people who identify with terrorists" fallacy. Pretzel_Warrior Mar 2014 #31

It's the 'I don't like to hear facts about courageous Democrats who really did vote againt Bluenorthwest Mar 2014 #38

Authorization for Use of Military Force in Afghanistan ProSense Mar 2014 #27

Thank You! Those of us who watched Senators Byrd and Kennedy on the KoKo Mar 2014 #34

Thank you. n/t freshwest Mar 2014 #88

Well, ProSense Mar 2014 #7

so what? Pretzel_Warrior Mar 2014 #9

Dubya is also an outlaw that should be held accountable Fumesucker Mar 2014 #13

again, irrelevant to the current situation. Pretzel_Warrior Mar 2014 #14

Not irrelevant to our outrage though Fumesucker Mar 2014 #17

no. it is relevant to your outrage and that is about it. Pretzel_Warrior Mar 2014 #18

Actually he should shut the fuck up and say nothing Fumesucker Mar 2014 #22

Because I'd like the U.S. to lead diplomatic negotiations to get Russian soldiers the fuck out of Pretzel_Warrior Mar 2014 #26

Thanks to his history Kerry simply isn't a credible intermediary in this matter Fumesucker Mar 2014 #53

well, he is credible and will somehow trudge forward in his role despite your protests Pretzel_Warrior Mar 2014 #54

Why, because he has effected this nation's history more positively than you or millions of others, blm Mar 2014 #90

And that wasn't even the worst blunder Kerry made either quinnox Mar 2014 #10

but he should get credit for launching an entire political flip flop meme Pretzel_Warrior Mar 2014 #15

lol, true! quinnox Mar 2014 #16

Then as now ProSense Mar 2014 #19

So you side with RW narrative about that, quinnox? ALL votes are FOR a version of a bill you prefer blm Mar 2014 #37

well done! cali Mar 2014 #32

Hillary tops Christie by 2% in Virginia (poll) ProSense Mar 2014 #35

I said back then that I would never vote in the primary for any cali Mar 2014 #40

No, the OP is BS, calcal ProSense Mar 2014 #41

no, propro, I don't know why you cited the thread. and come to think of cali Mar 2014 #59

LOL! ProSense Mar 2014 #62

Patrick Leahy also supported disarming Saddam ProSense Mar 2014 #44

You are twistin the facts completely and insinuating something totally false cali Mar 2014 #57

Did Leahy believe Saddam had WMD? ProSense Mar 2014 #64

and? cali Mar 2014 #66

Did he believe Bush's lie? n/t ProSense Mar 2014 #67

The Bush admin had damn near the whole country fooled on Iraq at first. phleshdef Mar 2014 #36

23 Senators and 132 House Members were not fooled and voted agains it. Bluenorthwest Mar 2014 #43

President Obama ProSense Mar 2014 #46

Thats not much of an opposition in the Senate or the House. phleshdef Mar 2014 #49

It's about a quarter of the combined chambers, and more than enough to nix claims of Bluenorthwest Mar 2014 #52

I never said universally duped. But 70 votes in favor of something is definitely stepping into... phleshdef Mar 2014 #73

who's pretending that? I was disgusted then and I'm disgusted now. cali Mar 2014 #45

The only people that were fooled into believing Iraq had WMD, was the RWing spin machine. Rex Mar 2014 #60

No they did not. Rex Mar 2014 #58

Horse shit. Something like 72% of the American public was behind it in the beginning. phleshdef Mar 2014 #71

Authoritarians are foaming at the mouth over this obvious reference. Rex Mar 2014 #61

No, people with good sense aren't buying the RW BS mischaracterization. n/t ProSense Mar 2014 #65

Kerry deluded himself to the meaning of the 2002 Iraq Resolution Bad Thoughts Mar 2014 #68

Not so frazzled Mar 2014 #76

I saw it Bad Thoughts Mar 2014 #77

Anyone who thought they could trust Bush with that kind of authority was not fit for public office, sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #69

It's a good thing ProSense Mar 2014 #72

Leave Harkin ALONE!!! Pretzel_Warrior Mar 2014 #74

Is he in NY, did he run for President? Not sure why you think that alters anything I said. sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #79

"Anyone who thought they could trust Bush with that kind of authority was not fit for public office" ProSense Mar 2014 #80

Yes, Kerry supported the invasion (with another link) frazzled Mar 2014 #75

Oh brother. This ProSense Mar 2014 #78

Yeah, and then it says "That said ..." frazzled Mar 2014 #81

Kerry a few weeks later: ProSense Mar 2014 #82

No, end of discussion: deal with what he said frazzled Mar 2014 #84

I know what he said, but you seem to want to ignore parts of his statement and ProSense Mar 2014 #85