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26. ugh. first of all, stephen, what is a "Serious Misdemeanor"?

Mon Mar 3, 2014, 07:11 PM

Mar 2014

Secondly, please don't ever move to Vermont. You wouldn't like it here. It's way, way too liberal for conservative dems like you.

Oh, and you should read Judith Levine's book.

Here's a snippet of a piece about the book, "Harmful to Minors""

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Why does the proposition that youth deserves sexual autonomy, pleasure, and privacy seem so radical? In the 1970s, the sexual revolution was in full swing and the idea that children and teens were sexual beings was accepted, at least among progressives. Books such as Heidi Handman and Peter Brennan's "Sex Handbook: Information and Help for Minors" and Sol Gordon's "You!" showed respect for young people and their ability to make their own sexual decisions.

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http://www.alternet.org/story/12960/what_judith_levine_is_really_saying

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Girl, 16, accused of statutory rape of boy, 14 [View all] n2doc Mar 2014 OP

I don't agree with statutory rape being charged among two adolescents... hlthe2b Mar 2014 #1

Yes, but unfortunately, I think this is just another symptom of society needing repair. AverageJoe90 Mar 2014 #79

The girl needs counseling, not jail. These two are kids and there needs to be some CTyankee Mar 2014 #2

What kind of counseling ? To acheive what ? jaysunb Mar 2014 #5

I'm hoping not, actually. But it shows a real lack of parental caring and teaching about sexuality. CTyankee Mar 2014 #18

No it doesn't, although it might show a lack of responsible sex education in the school Warpy Mar 2014 #58

yes... CTyankee Mar 2014 #63

I don't like their kind of "caring." I call it "oppressing." CTyankee Mar 2014 #108

That's what they'd call mandatory fact based sex education in the schools Warpy Mar 2014 #110

Holy smokes! Blue_Adept Mar 2014 #6

what would cause her to be considered an aggressor? I'm not understanding this. CTyankee Mar 2014 #14

Who coined the aggressor term? Blue_Adept Mar 2014 #17

I agree with you Aerows Mar 2014 #29

16 is the age of consent, I suspect. notadmblnd Mar 2014 #39

It is sad that it got to this point, isn't it? CTyankee Mar 2014 #46

The aggressor is just the one who did the asking... ManiacJoe Mar 2014 #91

Oh, please. I am not some sort of puritan. Really. I worked for a women's health clinic and for CTyankee Mar 2014 #22

I agree with CTYankee Aerows Mar 2014 #28

Teenagers having sex means something "is going on at home."? former9thward Mar 2014 #30

Young women and men Aerows Mar 2014 #33

Ohh, the strawmen came out quickly. former9thward Mar 2014 #36

I didn't go to the same high school you did Aerows Mar 2014 #41

I gotta admit, I went to the same school as former9thward... kids have sex anywhere riderinthestorm Mar 2014 #66

kids when they want to have sex will do it anywhere a car, a bathroom floor in the bushes leftyohiolib Mar 2014 #57

It just mens they are expressing their new hormones very inappropriately. Auntie Bush Mar 2014 #83

I think it means their hormones are working, thats all. Katashi_itto Mar 2014 #40

hormones do work and caring parents and other adults help kids get through CTyankee Mar 2014 #44

I know! Most teens spend the time thinking about Jesus. nt Demo_Chris Mar 2014 #70

ROFL snooper2 Mar 2014 #100

The only counseling they need is to find a nice park snooper2 Mar 2014 #99

Because a teenage girl had sex with a teenage boy, both consensual? Lex Mar 2014 #10

Yes, I think so. Planned Parenthood, for whom I worked, believes that kids need guidance from CTyankee Mar 2014 #15

I'm sure teens have sex in places available Lex Mar 2014 #19

THAT is exactly what I am saying! Thank you! Sheesh... CTyankee Mar 2014 #24

I agree, but their parents would spring for a hotel. n Demo_Chris Mar 2014 #71

And that is part of it. The other part is about health sexuality. If you don't like what I am CTyankee Mar 2014 #23

Under the law, I don't think a 14 year old can give consent. Jenoch Mar 2014 #25

Whaa? NutmegYankee Mar 2014 #12

I'm thinking chastity belts for all. Blue_Adept Mar 2014 #13

So keeping them in ignorance is good? Really? CTyankee Mar 2014 #48

Sex education is not counseling. nt NutmegYankee Mar 2014 #49

It most certainly can be. Esp. for a kid. CTyankee Mar 2014 #50

Counseling is usually associated negatively. NutmegYankee Mar 2014 #56

good lord, I worked for women's health services in new haven and for planned parenthood of CTyankee Mar 2014 #60

Other than the debate over the term "counseling".... NutmegYankee Mar 2014 #62

Hey, there ya go... CTyankee Mar 2014 #64

How do you know they didn't get sex education from their family? Or use BC? riderinthestorm Mar 2014 #65

I'm not condemning anybody, as you can see from what I have said. CTyankee Mar 2014 #67

But you keep insisting these kids need counseling and birth control riderinthestorm Mar 2014 #69

don't beat this to death, ok? CTyankee Mar 2014 #73

Okay, so how do you know this was their first sexual encounter? riderinthestorm Mar 2014 #87

Abuse? Unless teenagers are built different then they were when I was young, LeftyMom Mar 2014 #42

You are right. They are not "built different." That is why they need accurate medical CTyankee Mar 2014 #52

Allow me to praise your heroic focus on this thread... sibelian Mar 2014 #106

I had the advantage of hearing Planned Parenthood's Education VP give several talks to CTyankee Mar 2014 #107

A high schooler needs counseling for having sex? You're gonna need a big counseling center Recursion Mar 2014 #81

OK, I will say this one more time and then I won't say it again. Pay attention, please. CTyankee Mar 2014 #84

help? Teenagers having sex, oh the HORRORS snooper2 Mar 2014 #98

Isn't that a little too extreme? They are teenagers. I AM NOT SAYING OKAY TO TEENAGE SEX. I know diabeticman Mar 2014 #3

I AM SAYING OK TO TEENAGE SEX. cali Mar 2014 #8

Look, the law is your real enemy here. Enforcement of this statute is the problem. CTyankee Mar 2014 #16

I see the kids of Rockdale County are back in the news. aikoaiko Mar 2014 #4

1999 actually alp227 Mar 2014 #96

Whoops. you are correct. 1999 aikoaiko Mar 2014 #105

I just read the article and it doesn't make sense... Humanist_Activist Mar 2014 #7

I suspect older than 18 enlightenment Mar 2014 #31

But that makes even less sense. Statutory rape, from my understanding, almost always involves... Humanist_Activist Mar 2014 #32

Yes - it is strict. enlightenment Mar 2014 #47

As far as I know, many states have Romeo and Juliette laws JJChambers Mar 2014 #9

I know some are written assuming an older male / younger female couple Recursion Mar 2014 #82

In most states that have them, Romeo & Juliet laws have a minimum age of 15 or 16. Xithras Mar 2014 #103

This is a bullshit way of dealing with this madokie Mar 2014 #11

This is ridiculous stevenleser Mar 2014 #20

ugh. first of all, stephen, what is a "Serious Misdemeanor"? cali Mar 2014 #26

If I may, first of all I have no problem with the books you quote, but do you really think this CTyankee Mar 2014 #43

You are aware there are different classes of misdemeanors, right? stevenleser Mar 2014 #90

More victimless crime LittleBlue Mar 2014 #21

Wow. That's stupid. Comrade Grumpy Mar 2014 #27

I really feel like if people are within 3 years of age gollygee Mar 2014 #34

Nailed it. nt stevenleser Mar 2014 #93

A total waste of the public wealth warrant46 Mar 2014 #35

So I guess 16 must be age of consent. Deep13 Mar 2014 #37

Whether the boy is hi-fiving his friends or not is irrelevant. JVS Mar 2014 #55

Is it ok to expell both of them Peregrine Mar 2014 #38

Criminal prosecution is the issue Lex Mar 2014 #45

I was one month short of my 14th birthday. MineralMan Mar 2014 #51

This is a very sweet story, actually. Two kids who loved each other! I love this story. CTyankee Mar 2014 #54

Well, it was fortunate that I MineralMan Mar 2014 #59

awww. I'm glad you have a good memory of it, not a shameful one... CTyankee Mar 2014 #61

So a 13 yr old boy and a 15 yr old girl sex story is "sweet" riderinthestorm Mar 2014 #68

from what mineral man told me, I think it was sweet. It was caring and nice. CTyankee Mar 2014 #77

Thanks. MineralMan Mar 2014 #74

well, we do look back in tenderness and humor, don't we? CTyankee Mar 2014 #78

Why not just automatic jail for all kids? Trillo Mar 2014 #53

This is idiotic and wouldn't fall under statutory rape in a lot of states. phleshdef Mar 2014 #72

Good. Hopefully she'll be on the sex offender registry for life, like all other rapists TransitJohn Mar 2014 #75

I was the *victim* of a 16 yr old girl when I was 14 yr old teen boy gerogie2 Mar 2014 #76

and what if it was 16 y/o boy on 14 y/o girl? alp227 Mar 2014 #97

I have to agree. HappyMe Mar 2014 #102

I don't think this is a problem gerogie2 Mar 2014 #109

I thought Georgia had a Romeo & Juliet clause? Recursion Mar 2014 #80

Yes, after the Genarlow Wilson case. alp227 Mar 2014 #104

Zero Tolerance in public schools these days madville Mar 2014 #85

i wanna know why a 16 yr old is in middle school. that would be a sophomore. freshman if held up a seabeyond Mar 2014 #86

Good catch Sea. I wonder if she's got some problems - to still be in middle school nt riderinthestorm Mar 2014 #88

who knows, but it is odd. CTyankee Mar 2014 #92

For some school systems, Middle school is 7-9th grade and HS is 10-12. But you are right, it sounds stevenleser Mar 2014 #94

she would have needed to be held back two years. 16 would be sophomore if 5 when seabeyond Mar 2014 #95

My high school was 9-12 snooper2 Mar 2014 #101

Biology long ago... deathrind Mar 2014 #89