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fredamae

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61. No, not in the context
Mon Mar 3, 2014, 06:11 PM
Mar 2014

it is used to scare the "begeeebus" out of the public....
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/botanical+medicine

Under definition of "drug" this pops up--obsolete, but certainly context and intent...tells us "they" can call it what ever they want--but they can't change science.
"a obsolete : a substance used in dyeing or chemical operations"
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/drug
What is your source? NIDA? CSA? NIH?

Even the DEA's own ALJ couldn't find an LD-50 for Cannabis...but raw potatoes - is another story and can be deadly. Are raw potatoes a drug?
" 3. The most obvious concern when dealing with drug safety is
the possibility of lethal effects. Can the drug cause death?

4. Nearly all medicines have toxic, potentially lethal
effects. But marijuana is not such a substance. There is no record in
the extensive medical literature describing a proven, documented
cannabis-induced fatality.

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5. This is a remarkable statement. First, the record on
marijuana encompasses 5,000 years of human experience. Second, marijuana
is now used daily by enormous numbers of people throughout the world.
Estimates suggest that from twenty million to fifty million Americans
routinely, albeit illegally, smoke marijuana without the benefit of
direct medical supervision. Yet, despite this long history of use and
the extraordinarily high numbers of social smokers, there are simply no
credible medical reports to suggest that consuming marijuana has caused a
single death.

6. By contrast aspirin, a commonly used, over-the-counter
medicine, causes hundreds of deaths each year.

7. Drugs used in medicine are routinely given what is called
an LD-50. The LD-50 rating indicates at what dosage fifty percent of
test animals receiving a drug will die as a result of drug induced
toxicity. A number of researchers have attempted to determine
marijuana's LD-50 rating in test animals, without success. Simply
stated, researchers have been unable to give animals enough marijuana to
induce death.

8. At present it is estimated that marijuana's LD-50 is around
1:20,000 or 1:40,000. In layman terms this means that in order to induce
death a marijuana smoker would have to consume 20,000 to 40,000 times as
much marijuana as is contained in one marijuana cigarette. NIDA-supplied
marijuana cigarettes weigh approximately .9 grams. A smoker would
theoretically have to consume nearly 1,500 pounds of marijuana within
about fifteen minutes to induce a lethal response.

9. In practical terms, marijuana cannot induce a lethal
response as a result of drug-related toxicity.

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10. Another common medical way to determine drug safety is
called the therapeutic ratio. This ratio defines the difference between
a therapeutically effective dose and a dose which is capable of inducing
adverse effects.

11. A commonly used over-the-counter product like aspirin has a
therapeutic ratio of around 1:20. Two aspirins are the recommended dose
for adult patients. Twenty times this dose, forty aspirins, may cause a
lethal reaction in some patients, and will almost certainly cause gross
injury to the digestive system, including extensive internal bleeding.

12. The therapeutic ratio for prescribed drugs is commonly
around 1:10 or lower. Valium, a commonly used prescriptive drug, may
cause very serious biological damage if patients use ten times the
recommended (therapeutic) dose.

13. There are, of course, prescriptive drugs which have much
lower therapeutic ratios. Many of the drugs used to treat patients with
cancer, glaucoma and multiple sclerosis are highly toxic. The
therapeutic ratio of some of the drugs used in antineoplastic therapies,
for example, are regarded as extremely toxic poisons with therapeutic
ratios that may fall below 1:1.5. These drugs also have very low LD-50
ratios and can result in toxic, even lethal reactions, while being
properly employed.

14. By contrast, marijuana's therapeutic ratio, like its LD-50,
is impossible to quantify because it is so high.

15. In strict medical terms marijuana is far safer than many
foods we commonly consume. For example, eating ten raw potatoes can
result in a toxic response. By comparison, it is physically impossible
to eat enough marijuana to induce death.

16. Marijuana, in its natural form, is one of the safest
therapeutically
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active substances known to man. By any measure of rational analysis
marijuana can be safely used within a supervised routine of medical care.

http://www.druglibrary.org/olsen/MEDICAL/YOUNG/young.html

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Yes in part. NaturalHigh Mar 2014 #1
I don't like it either Aerows Mar 2014 #63
Interesting question. Phlem Mar 2014 #2
Thank you hootinholler Mar 2014 #4
That's another good question. Phlem Mar 2014 #11
Looks like your baggage defacto7 Mar 2014 #81
WTF? Phlem Mar 2014 #82
Read your post.... defacto7 Mar 2014 #93
Ugh. That's what you got from my post? Phlem Mar 2014 #96
Poor baby... defacto7 Mar 2014 #97
whatever princess Phlem Mar 2014 #103
I might even cause cops to start actually Protecting and Serving. Rex Mar 2014 #3
Those that choose to smoke pot will do so legally etherealtruth Mar 2014 #5
I would think it would take something to stronger than pot to come up with that theory BainsBane Mar 2014 #6
^_- hootinholler Mar 2014 #7
It was a joke BainsBane Mar 2014 #10
Populace will become stupider and lazier than ever... Lost_Count Mar 2014 #8
hmm. Phlem Mar 2014 #12
So, should I assume you also smoke marijuana... Lost_Count Mar 2014 #13
I didn't mention it because it was the topic of discussion. Phlem Mar 2014 #14
Hey there fella... You seem tense... Lost_Count Mar 2014 #15
Funny, I didn't read tense hootinholler Mar 2014 #17
I personally believe your coming from a place of lazy ignorance about it. Phlem Mar 2014 #18
You are personally wrong. bravenak Mar 2014 #32
Ahh.. an enhancement smoker... Lost_Count Mar 2014 #77
Can you back that up with actual research? RedCappedBandit Mar 2014 #110
It's in other posts... Lost_Count Mar 2014 #111
I don't smoke, nor would I if it were legal. Try again. RedCappedBandit Mar 2014 #114
He's linked to drugabuse.gov Phlem Mar 2014 #116
Genious Phlem Mar 2014 #121
Your post about intelligence is hilarious for at least 3 specific reasons... Lost_Count Mar 2014 #122
ahh. Phlem Mar 2014 #123
How funny, all the fox watching republicans I know are anti pot, the Liberals Autumn Mar 2014 #22
Lol, another expert weighs in! nt Logical Mar 2014 #26
Not an expert... Just someone who applies common sense... Lost_Count Mar 2014 #28
Let's see some proof. bravenak Mar 2014 #34
Out of curiosity... Lost_Count Mar 2014 #39
Let me see your stats first, then I'll answer. bravenak Mar 2014 #45
I'll get right on that... Lost_Count Mar 2014 #48
I see no stats. bravenak Mar 2014 #49
Cool story bro... Lost_Count Mar 2014 #50
Don't drink. bravenak Mar 2014 #53
Sigh... Lost_Count Mar 2014 #56
Wrong stats, try again. bravenak Mar 2014 #57
I'm not questioning your intelligence... Lost_Count Mar 2014 #59
I'm suggesting that you slipped in that study because I wanted you to prove your assertion bravenak Mar 2014 #60
To analyze a problem rationally?!?! Phlem Mar 2014 #106
No. Everything the Government says is TRUUUUEEEE!!!!!! Phlem Mar 2014 #108
Are you unsure or even denying that marijuana causes physical and mental impairment? Lost_Count Mar 2014 #112
Dude you are lost, you haven't read a damn thing I've posted. Phlem Mar 2014 #115
... Phlem Mar 2014 #87
Please refer to the comment about a spectrum and not a switch ... Lost_Count Mar 2014 #99
what a double decker bullshit sandwich. Phlem Mar 2014 #101
Adorable... Lost_Count Mar 2014 #113
wow Phlem Mar 2014 #117
Where is said comment about a spectrum? Phlem Mar 2014 #120
RIIIIGHT........ Phlem Mar 2014 #107
I stopped reading at "not an expert"! nt Logical Mar 2014 #37
You stopped reading... Lost_Count Mar 2014 #38
Lol, you need a nap! nt Logical Mar 2014 #41
psh... Phlem Mar 2014 #102
! Phlem Mar 2014 #118
his expert source for this data..... Phlem Mar 2014 #119
We're not exactly a nation lacking in work ethic... Hippo_Tron Mar 2014 #73
I agree it doesn't increase intellectual prowess. Neither does eating a fuckton of twinkies. Gravitycollapse Mar 2014 #89
All true... Lost_Count Mar 2014 #100
"Common sense" aka "I have nothing to back up my argument". DireStrike Mar 2014 #124
It is amazing to see what everyone's ... Lost_Count Mar 2014 #131
I think you need to hit the bong and relax a little. Gravitycollapse Mar 2014 #88
It's a nice thought but no. rrneck Mar 2014 #9
I said no because I think if it ends up all over marlakay Mar 2014 #16
Here comes Joe Camel II! randome Mar 2014 #21
It will raise the national Dorito consumption. wyldwolf Mar 2014 #19
Kick! n/t hootinholler Mar 2014 #20
no because when it is legal ThomThom Mar 2014 #23
Exactly. Blue_In_AK Mar 2014 #36
I'm afraid the label legal will encourage young people to start. lindysalsagal Mar 2014 #78
Just like the legal meds their parents have? postatomic Mar 2014 #104
really tired of this argument ThomThom Mar 2014 #136
I agree. Most people that want to smoke pot already smoke it regardless Enthusiast Mar 2014 #134
I don't actually think usage rates will change a whole lot. Lizzie Poppet Mar 2014 #24
No, that's all bullshit. bemildred Mar 2014 #25
haters gotta hate dembotoz Mar 2014 #27
It worked for me... CanSocDem Mar 2014 #29
Nice Idea--Buuuut fredamae Mar 2014 #30
Congress should start with bong hits instead of prayers... giftedgirl77 Mar 2014 #31
No,it's a drug not a miraculous sufrommich Mar 2014 #33
Cannabis is Not a Drug fredamae Mar 2014 #35
... SammyWinstonJack Mar 2014 #44
Uhm, hate to break it to you, but... Scootaloo Mar 2014 #54
No, not in the context fredamae Mar 2014 #61
Then your opposition is to the propagandizing of the word "drug" Scootaloo Mar 2014 #62
I do not consider fredamae Mar 2014 #64
A dictionary Scootaloo Mar 2014 #65
So, which part of fredamae Mar 2014 #66
Whatever parts are ingested for their effect. Scootaloo Mar 2014 #67
We are at an impasse :) fredamae Mar 2014 #69
Raw Potatoes, deadly? YIKES! hootinholler Mar 2014 #70
Weird, huh? fredamae Mar 2014 #71
But I want to know about potatoes! hootinholler Mar 2014 #72
You'd have to do further research fredamae Mar 2014 #75
Not deadly in the least Scootaloo Mar 2014 #92
+1 HuckleB Mar 2014 #91
I think it'll probably just make us fatter and lazier. Skip Intro Mar 2014 #40
Decriminalization is nearly as important as a right to health care Hippo_Tron Mar 2014 #74
This is a great answer. So true. Ed Suspicious Mar 2014 #76
Nah, I don't think so. Skip Intro Mar 2014 #79
Sure, just like people smoke and otherwise make poor health choices... Hippo_Tron Mar 2014 #80
What? Skip Intro Mar 2014 #84
Ugh, nevermind I'm done... Hippo_Tron Mar 2014 #85
Colorado Is A Fit State otohara Mar 2014 #139
That stereotype persists for a reason. Skip Intro Mar 2014 #140
More like, corporations will buy from Congress all rights to distribute... polichick Mar 2014 #42
In my years.... NCTraveler Mar 2014 #43
dont know or care. never smoked it. MillennialDem Mar 2014 #46
Is the government going to mandate use? ileus Mar 2014 #47
It's just a plant, dude. It's not a leafy Jesus. Scootaloo Mar 2014 #51
I was thinking more Buddy Jesus hootinholler Mar 2014 #55
No, no amount of pot will turn an cranky, nasty jackhole into a decent person. Warren DeMontague Mar 2014 #58
The OP is dead serious BainsBane Mar 2014 #86
I'm of the decided opinion that it couldn't hurt. Warren DeMontague Mar 2014 #95
Maybe the a-holes destroying our country start smoking spliffs and not be such gigantic a-holes? nt Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2014 #52
"But it gets you HIGH!!!!!!!This is HUGH!!!!!!" Tsiyu Mar 2014 #68
will it make people write polls that ask three questions while providing only one answer? Warren Stupidity Mar 2014 #83
No, it's just marijuana. HuckleB Mar 2014 #90
It's NOT??? Far out. idendoit Mar 2014 #94
It never does anything to me but make me squint Recursion Mar 2014 #98
No impact whatsoever... brooklynite Mar 2014 #105
You assume 100% of the population will use Boom Sound 416 Mar 2014 #109
I don't get that either. bravenak Mar 2014 #129
No - but it will mean ... Yo_Mama Mar 2014 #125
Even so, I wouldn't smoke pot and then drive. . . DinahMoeHum Mar 2014 #127
Yes, of course. You can be busted for DUI of a bunch of legal drugs n/t Yo_Mama Mar 2014 #128
soon enough, 5 giant corporations will control 95% of the market. everything new is old again. unblock Mar 2014 #126
No, but it may enable some to make a better living, kentauros Mar 2014 #130
Pot will not raise our consciousness as a Nation. Enthusiast Mar 2014 #132
Same point I was trying to make. NCTraveler Mar 2014 #133
I haven't gotten to your post yet. Maybe mine was unnecessary. Enthusiast Mar 2014 #135
No, yours was necessary. NCTraveler Mar 2014 #137
"If you take a jerk and get him stoned, you have a stoned jerk." malthaussen Mar 2014 #138
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